Zach Allen

[Shane]

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A lot of people give this guy grief regardless of what people say about him and how effective he is as a player. So @BritCard posted and was getting buried in the game thread. Zach now has his own thread.

 

[Chopper0080]

Imagine if Byron Murphy and Zach Allen had gotten extended this off-season along with Jalen and DJ.

 

[Chopper0080]

What is really funny is that we actually have a decent group of defensive players just not any superstars. Murphy is a good CB. Both our S are very good. Allen is a good player. Our idiot GM just decided to draft ILBs and 1,000 failed WRs instead of CBs, EDGE players and DL. But don't worry, I am sure he will trade a draft pick for a vet on an expiring deal in a couple weeks.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What is really funny is that we actually have a decent group of defensive players just not any superstars. Murphy is a good CB. Both our S are very good. Allen is a good player. Our idiot GM just decided to draft ILBs and 1,000 failed WRs instead of CBs, EDGE players and DL. But don't worry, I am sure he will trade a draft pick for a vet on an expiring deal in a couple weeks.

Baker is pretty much a superstar

 

[Chopper0080]

All that said, if the Panthers are out of it I am prepared to offer a haul for Brian Burns.

 

[Chopper0080]

Baker is pretty much a superstar

I believe it is tough for him to reach that status with the way we are using him. He is just not put in positions to make splash plays.

 

[BritCard]

All that said, if the Panthers are out of it I am prepared to offer a haul for Brian Burns.

Keim should be all over that. Panthers still suck. Look like they still need a QB and only have 4 draft picks in 2023.

 

[Stout]

Imagine if Byron Murphy and Zach Allen had gotten extended this off-season along with Jalen and DJ.

We definitely had the money for it.

Allen really came on last week. Good for him (and us)!

 

[DaHilg]

All that said, if the Panthers are out of it I am prepared to offer a haul for Brian Burns.

My goodness this would be a dream !

 

[BritCard]

To be fair to Allen I thought he was very JAG in the past.

This looks like the actual year where the team say "Zach Allen has got better and stronger" and it actually proves to be true.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why do you guys keep making it seem like we can’t still sign those guys to extensions?

 

[football karma]

Why do you guys keep making it seem like we can’t still sign those guys to extensions?

its true

but as the games tick by --- the players risk goes down, so the $ go up.

 

[Cheesebeef]

its true

but as the games tick by --- the players risk goes down, so the $ go up.

That is absolutely true.

My guess is Murphy gets tagged and Allen walks and all of a sudden becomes treated as totally expendable by those championing him right now so they can fall back into the party line.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Imagine if Byron Murphy and Zach Allen had gotten extended this off-season along with Jalen and DJ.

Can't they still be extended?

 

[Krangodnzr]

That is absolutely true.

My guess is Murphy gets tagged and Allen walks and all of a sudden becomes treated as totally expendable by those championing him right now so they can fall back into the party line.

I won't. I've been an Allen fan for a while now. He was good last year too.

What's scary is that Watt AND Allen are not under contract next year.

 

[football karma]

All that said, if the Panthers are out of it I am prepared to offer a haul for Brian Burns.

thats a good target Chop

interesting: the Panthers picked up his option for 2023.

But: the Panthers are $20mm over the cap in 2023(!!) with only 38 players under contract -- AND -- 0 starting QBs on the roster (!!!!) (both Mayfield and Darnold are in the last year of their contracts in 2022)

Clearly teams have shown they can move $ around pretty easily, but still...

an extension for Burns would be the smart move, but the Panthers may fire everyone down from the owner and start over....

 

[BritCard]

Almost certainly both have been in extension talk for some time and I expect both to be extended before long.

Probably for amounts most think is too much so we can moan about that too.

 

[Shane]

We definitely had the money for it.

Allen really came on last week. Good for him (and us)!

He’s been playing like this before last week

 

[Stout]

He’s been playing like this before last week

I wasn't implying otherwise.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I’d be almost shocked if Allen isn’t re-signed. Hopefully Murph is too

 

[PACardsFan]

Keim should be all over that. Panthers still suck. Look like they still need a QB and only have 4 draft picks in 2023.

I’m sure they’ll beat us. They always do.

 

[reebokalone2001]

It seems Allen's gameplay went up a level or two since Watt got there. Recall someone reported that Watt was teaching Allen some Edge moves last offseason.

 

[Chopper0080]

Can't they still be extended?

Many players won't negotiate during the season because they feel it is a distraction. I don't know if that is the case for these two. The overall point is that both players are showing a continuation of what they showed last year. At some point, all Keim is doing is costing the team more dollars similar to the Kyler situation by waiting.

Like, Murphy's agent is going to bring up his client shutting down Davante Adams in any convo moving forward.

 

[pemory09]

I’m sure they’ll beat us. They always do.

Oh yeah. The Panthers game will for sure be an L, Mayfield and McCaffrey will have career days, etc. Book it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He’s been playing like this before last week

As had Murphy.

All offseason we heard on this board how terrible the Cardinals CBs were. Murphy has been a good player for a bit now, dating back to his 2nd season.

Once Hamilton is back and Mullen is up to speed, the CB room will sudden look decent.

Allen and Lawrence are 2/3s of a decent unit. I'd think the Cardinals will consider a DL in round one next year. If Allen isn't resigned, the DL is going to be a major worry. I bet Thomas slides into the DL rotation as well at some point.