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Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Actually, is running directly impacted the 2-minute drill negatively last week.
Kyler Murray Debate Thread
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I don’t even disagree with that. He earned the playoff choke-artist label, but to get that label, means he at least was getting getting those teams into the playoffs and there were teams that weren't extremely talented that he got the playoffs too. All while playing for a team with terrible ownership as well.
All of which is to say I don’t even think Rivers was great. I just have him slightly above the Kirk Cousins, Dak’s of the game.
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i dont know if its been brought up:
I think Kyler has a nagging leg injury of some kind. Last two games when he has run, it looks to me to be around 80% of normal speed.
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Getting to the playoffs would be a champagne problem around here, and Kyler has done it in one of his 6 seasons. When nearly half the league makes the playoffs, it's not even a great accomplishment.
Crimson Warrior
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Roger Staubach did not do it for an entire season. In 1971, he picked up the starting job from Craig Morton in week 8. He started and won 7 regular season games in a 14-game season (unless they are counting his 3 playoff wins as well). It has to be that season since it is the only one he finished above 100 in passer rating. So - surprise - stats lie and you shouldn't believe everything that's posted on screen during a broadcast.
Hmmm... well I assumed if was for a full season so that's my fault! But that is some interesting context for certain BIM, thank you! Hope you have a great weekend (especially Sunday!)!
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602 Native
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It is on the Cardinals.
A franchise that has been there only 6 times in Arizona Cards history. One of those is due to K1.
82CardsGrad
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With the one glaring exception = the NFL.
602 Native
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Rookie Year = EliteWith the one glaring exception = the NFL.
MVP Front Runner = Elite
Made Playoffs = Elite
Over a 6 year period K1 is for sure an elite QB in the NFL.
Only fans in AZ who championed scrubs like Hall, Skelton, and Anderson disagree.
AsUpRoDiGy
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Made playoffs... lol. His numbers are far from elite. He has moments of greatness, but overall, he's certainly outside of the top 10 QB's in the league. He's elite at being average... I'll give you that.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Making the playoffs 1 year out of 6 and then getting embarrassed isn't elite.
Being a MVP favorite in week 6 and then not even getting a vote at the end of the season is not elite. To this point, Trevor Lawrence has finished closer to a MVP than Kyler and you have repeatedly said he is not elite. (and I agree about Lawrence)
Rookie of the year...sure.
Kyler's NFL production has not been elite in any way, shape, or form outside of rushing at times.
82CardsGrad
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Whoa...
"Elite" Qb's never quit on their team, no matter the score and no matter the game... especially a playoff game. And, I still can't get the image of Kyler sulking on the bench, alone, when literally the entire Cards team ran onto the field in concern over a knocked-out Budda Baker.
As I've said, Kyler has a ton of proving to do before I would ever consider him to be elite.
High School = 42-0 (1.000)
College = 14-3 (.824) Very limited sample size for a collegiate player
Pro = Regular Season 34–42–1 | Postseason 0-1 (.438)
College = 14-3 (.824) Very limited sample size for a collegiate player
Pro = Regular Season 34–42–1 | Postseason 0-1 (.438)
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Kyler Murray is going to have the 2nd most passing yards in Cardinals history. Depending on how much longer he plays, he could have the most in Cardinals history. That should not be taken for granted but it also needs to be held in context because Kyler will not likely be a hall of famer.
Great player for the Cardinals does not guarantee a great NFL player. (great being HoF)
Great player for the Cardinals does not guarantee a great NFL player. (great being HoF)
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You guys should really look at how many players come and go in the NFL over a 6 year period.
Look real closely at the QBs that have been drafted and signed as FAs at during that time.
K1 is for sure an elite NFL QB and player.
Look real closely at the QBs that have been drafted and signed as FAs at during that time.
K1 is for sure an elite NFL QB and player.
kerouac9
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Yes we should kiss Kyler’s feet because he’s still playing in the NFL. Bruh.
No one is doubting he’s elite among the posters on this board, or D1 QBs. AMONG HIS ACTUAL PEERS he’s done little to stand out in a very long time.
Chopper0080
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Gas Lighting.
Statistically, Baker Mayfield has been a better NFL QB than Kyler Murray. I would not call Baker elite tho he has been really good in the playoffs.
Chopper0080
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It's so funny how Kyler being a top 12 or 14 QB this season is being viewed as a negative by some. It's great. Way better than Kyler being an irrelevant QB like he was in 2022 and 2023.
82CardsGrad
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LOL...
Kyler is a #1 overall pick. And while there have certainly been a few #1 overall picks that flamed out and didn't last 6 years, most have. Since 2013, every #1 overall pick is still playing in the league! C'mon man... get a grip.
Check that: Eric Fisher retired at the age of 30, after playing 9 years...
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You’re preaching to the choir.
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I'd have to look for it but AJ literally admitted after the game it was his fault. Everyone else on the team knew what was happening, he just missed the call.
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With the one glaring exception = the NFL.
Guess which quarterback that you love to hate on is already in the NFL Hall of Fame?
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actually, his gear from ONE game is in the HOF. Guess what... same thing can be said about Neil Rackers' cleats for most field goals in a season. Unfortunately, the other major thing they have in common is both routinely come up short in the clutch.Guess which quarterback that you love to hate on is already in the NFL Hall of Fame?
Oh man.. is that who Kyler is? The QB equivalent of Neil Rackers?
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Think it's more midsection. I can't remember if it was Seattle or the game below but on a run someone fell on him as the other guy pulled him down and his helmet came off. When he got up he was clearly wincing and for the rest of the game they were showing him on the sideline stretching and wincing when not in the game.
I agree he hasn't seemed willing to turn it loose running since that play
82CardsGrad
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Hate on... seriously? Is this where this is at now? Because I don't view Kyler as "elite," or able as of yet, to perform in big moments - that means I hate the guy?? You guys man...Guess which quarterback that you love to hate on is already in the NFL Hall of Fame?
I respect Kyler as I do virtually all pro athletes. To reach the highest professional level and heck, to be a #1 overall pick, doesn't happen accidentally... Kyler has played well. Occasionally, on certain plays he's looked better than good. But as far as I'm concerned, he's never demonstrated an ability to consistently play in ways that translate to sustained success at the NFL level. Doesn't mean I hate the guy. Hell, I'm still waiting for him to surprise me - pleasantly so. Maybe that will be Sunday as this is one of the top 2 or 3 most important games of his NFL career.
