2011 Draft Thread

[Gaddabout]

*shakes head*

Guys, I appreciate a good fantasy as much as the next guy but the Suns aren't going to trade Nash. Period. Never. Ever. And if a scenario ever came up they did trade Nash, it certainly wouldn't be to Minne-freakin'-sota. They wouldn't do that to perhaps the most popular player in Suns history. Certainly the most decorated. It would be like Boston trading an aging Bird to Atlanta -- or at least that's how the Suns brass views it.

 

[slinslin]

*shakes head*

Guys, I appreciate a good fantasy as much as the next guy but the Suns aren't going to trade Nash. Period. Never. Ever. And if a scenario ever came up they did trade Nash, it certainly wouldn't be to Minne-freakin'-sota. They wouldn't do that to perhaps the most popular player in Suns history. Certainly the most decorated. It would be like Boston trading an aging Bird to Atlanta -- or at least that's how the Suns brass views it.

That is insanity.

Olajuwon
Malone
Ewing
Payton
...
Neither retired with their team.

The Suns do not owe anything to Nash. They paid him millions, drafted him out of college, gave him a chance to win it all and allowed him to grab 2 MVPs.

You are saying there is a new focus on defense in the front office but you can not go defensive and at same time hold onto Nash. The culture of this team will never change with him. They tried with Porter and failed miserably because Nash was crying and was ineffective at a slower pace playing through the post while at the same time being exploited on the other end.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That is insanity.

Olajuwon
Malone
Ewing
Payton
...
Neither retired with their team.

The Suns do not owe anything to Nash. They paid him millions, drafted him out of college, gave him a chance to win it all and allowed him to grab 2 MVPs.

You are saying there is a new focus on defense in the front office but you can not go defensive and at same time hold onto Nash. The culture of this team will never change with him. They tried with Porter and failed miserably because Nash was crying and was ineffective at a slower pace playing through the post while at the same time being exploited on the other end.

this is true

 

[TJ]

Nobody is indispensable on a team that was so absolutely old and mediocre as we were.

You do not get better by trading Chilldress or Warrick because nobody will take them and give up value for them. It would be us having to give up picks again to move them.

Did you see Gortat play? I haven't seen that much production at the 5 in a long time (past Shaq). And everyone on this board ******* and moans over not having a viable center. Guess what...we have one. No one, not even Sarver, is dumb enough to make a move that involves Gortat. The only player that's going to bring an impact player is Nash, which means Brooks or another free agent is going to have to learn to distribute rather than score.

I would try and trade with Minnesota to get the #2, the rights to Ricky Rubio to convince him to get his ass to the states, and another player for Nash and the #13, I think Kahn would be dumb enough to take an offer like that.

This draft is so thin, it's depressing. The only impact players are from 1-5.

 

[slinslin]

It would be nice to have a decent center when it mattered. Now it is meaningless. I would rather have a new star player than a decent starting center.

 

[elindholm]

They tried with Porter and failed miserably because Nash was crying and was ineffective at a slower pace playing through the post while at the same time being exploited on the other end.

Please explain what defensive strategies Porter tried to implement and that Nash, himself, held the team back from doing. Porter's problem was that he was incompetent, not that he had the wrong personnel. And the Suns' defense has gotten significantly better under Gentry, to the point where they were almost average after the All-Star break.

 

[slinslin]

Please explain what defensive strategies Porter tried to implement and that Nash, himself, held the team back from doing. Porter's problem was that he was incompetent, not that he had the wrong personnel. And the Suns' defense has gotten significantly better under Gentry, to the point where they were almost average after the All-Star break.

I am not defending Porter. But he tried to install a defensive approach, long shot clocks, halfcourt offense...

Steve Nash was one of the driving forces that got rid off Porter because he was ineffective and did not have fun playing that way.

That was last year. This season the Suns defense was pathetic all year. If you go by numbers the Suns were pretty good defensive team under D'Antoni at times too..

 

[TJ]

It would be nice to have a decent center when it mattered. Now it is meaningless. I would rather have a new star player than a decent starting center.

This is grave dressing and utterly ridiculous. So you're saying having a good player at one of the most important positions, which has haunted us for years, is meaningless? Why do you even root for the Suns? Honest question.

You act like the team needs to cut all 12 players. Then when we fail next season, you'll complain more. That's your M.O. slinslin. Always has been.

Believe it or not, the Suns have good players on the roster now. Why trade away players you know are going to produce this year and the next following years?

 

[chickenhead]

I just don't see the point in trading Gortat for a PG or in a package that would result in needing a PG.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The only player that's going to bring an impact player is Nash, which means Brooks or another free agent is going to have to learn to distribute rather than score.

I do think that Carter's buyout has some good value. Look at what the Clips gave up to move Baron.

 

[slinslin]

This is grave dressing and utterly ridiculous. So you're saying having a good player at one of the most important positions, which has haunted us for years, is meaningless? Why do you even root for the Suns? Honest question.

You act like the team needs to cut all 12 players. Then when we fail next season, you'll complain more. That's your M.O. slinslin. Always has been.

Believe it or not, the Suns have good players on the roster now. Why trade away players you know are going to produce this year and the next following years?

Uh no we need to fail for a couple of seasons because the draft is the only way right now we will find new star players to carry this team and rebuild.

Our window is absolutely closed right now and until we decide to honestly rebuild and by the end of that rebuilding process Gortat will be past his prime.

 

[mojorizen7]

That is insanity.

Olajuwon
Malone
Ewing
Payton
...
Neither retired with their team.

The Suns do not owe anything to Nash. They paid him millions, drafted him out of college, gave him a chance to win it all and allowed him to grab 2 MVPs.

You are saying there is a new focus on defense in the front office but you can not go defensive and at same time hold onto Nash. The culture of this team will never change with him. They tried with Porter and failed miserably because Nash was crying and was ineffective at a slower pace playing through the post while at the same time being exploited on the other end.

Yep.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am not defending Porter. But he tried to install a defensive approach, long shot clocks, halfcourt offense...

Steve Nash was one of the driving forces that got rid off Porter because he was ineffective and did not have fun playing that way.

That was last year. This season the Suns defense was pathetic all year. If you go by numbers the Suns were pretty good defensive team under D'Antoni at times too..

Why is that considered part of a "defensive approach"? If all you care about is holding the final score down then just have your guys never shoot. Once the other team gets up 60 to 0 they'll put in nothing but scrubs and you can brag about your team's defensive effort when they lose 72-0. Fratello used the entire shot clock as part of his package and he turned a fairly talented group of players into the most unwatchable team in the NBA.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

Uh no we need to fail for a couple of seasons because the draft is the only way right now we will find new star players to carry this team and rebuild.

You really think this team will build through the draft over the next 5 years? Listen to this front office. They don't want to be anywhere near the lottery again after this year.

I can name a ton of teams that have failed miserably at building through the draft compared to the ones that have succeeded. Also, consider our latest draft decisions. You can't seriously think this front office can pull off building the team through the draft do you?

This team is going to have to do it through all 3 methods. Drafting, trading and free agency. How long it will take depends on what they can pull off. What your suggesting is a pipe dream. So, knowing that, they need to hang on to pieces that can fit now and do their best to draft and find teams looking to shed players for salary or players that fall through the cracks until they have enough pieces to make moves again.

This team never rebuilds. They only retool.

 

[TJ]

I do think that Carter's buyout has some good value. Look at what the Clips gave up to move Baron.

Good point. Im sure someone in financial ruins would take that deal.

Then again. Our banker owner operates the team as if we are on the verge of Chapter 13.

 

[TJ]

This team never rebuilds. They only retool.

Yep. It's been a while since this team has missed the playoffs in consecutive season.

 

[slinslin]

Yep. It's been a while since this team has missed the playoffs in consecutive season.

non-sense

We were just lucky the last time for instance we drafted Amare right away or another stud the last few times when we needed to rebuild.

 

[carey]

I love Slinslin's posts. Whenever the F.O. make's a good decision / move it is luck. If it's a bad decision / move it is because the F.O. are imbeciles.

 

[PhxGametime]

Tomorrow is the big day. Measurements and the combine tests! lol

 

[PhxGametime]

If the Suns even keep the Pick.

 

[slinslin]

I love Slinslin's posts. Whenever the F.O. make's a good decision / move it is luck. If it's a bad decision / move it is because the F.O. are imbeciles.

It is not me who continually repeats how drafting is all about luck. I have said numerous times that drafting is about doing your homework right.

Jeremy Tyler had a good showing at the combine. He really started to pick up his game in the 2nd half of the season in Japan before the tsunami.

Would love to pick him up somewhere later in the first round around #21 (cough).

19 years old, talented, 6'11 good frame, good athleticism, good jumper but a difficult character and somewhat immature but overseas might have humbled the kid.

 

[TJ]

non-sense

We were just lucky the last time for instance we drafted Amare right away or another stud the last few times when we needed to rebuild.

 

[slinslin]

What exactly do you call those 3 years when we got Amare? That was rebuilding, we got lucky the one draft pick we made was the best player in the entire draft and franchise player caliber.
Without that pick we would have rebuilt for a few more years, most likely 1 more year or 2 more years, Lebron draft class. No way Steve Nash comes here if we didn't get Amare.

We sucked got Amare (#9), surprisingly overachieved and made it as an 8th seed, sucked again got the #7 pick (Deng)

 

[TJ]

What exactly do you call those 3 years when we got Amare? That was rebuilding, we got lucky the one draft pick we made was the best player in the entire draft and franchise player caliber.
Without that pick we would have rebuilt for a few more years, most likely 1 more year or 2 more years, Lebron draft class. No way Steve Nash comes here if we didn't get Amare.

We sucked got Amare (#9), surprisingly overachieved and made it as an 8th seed, sucked again got the #7 pick (Deng)

We're never going to convince you that your posts are completely and utterly irrational and over the top. That's why nobody takes you seriously.

We could sign LeBron, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Dirk Nowitzki and you'll complain that we didnt sign Kobe and Dwayne Wade.

 

[slinslin]

There will be a lot of hype about Jeremy Tyler after this Combine, similar to Ryan Richards last year. Some guys get drafted on look alone. 32 minutes ago

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Kemba Walker just quieted a lot of people with his measurements. 6-1 in shoes, 6-3 1/2 wingspan. Not the midget people made him out to be. 49 minutes ago

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