2011 NBA Playoffs Thread

[sunsfan88]

^First time in NBA history that both the #1 & #2 seed in a conference lost in GM 1 of the 1st rd of playoffs.

 

[slinslin]

Sucks to see Amare dominate in the playoffs for a different team.

But at least all the idiots here who wanted him out got their wish.

 

[sunsfan88]

Anyone else feel bad for Amare?

Of course no reason to feel that bad cause he's making major $$$$ but the fact that he hsa to do 3 times the work in NY as he did in PHX. Here he had Nash, Richardson and the best bench in the NBA for help. In NY..he has himself, a completely washed up Billups and a no show in Melo.

 

[SirStefan32]

Anyone else feel bad for Amare?

Of course no reason to feel that bad cause he's making major $$$$ but the fact that he hsa to do 3 times the work in NY as he did in PHX. Here he had Nash, Richardson and the best bench in the NBA for help. In NY..he has himself, a completely washed up Billups and a no show in Melo.

Nope, not feeling bad at all. As the matter of fact, I am rather amused by watching him lose. He wanted to go to NY to be "the man", and the Knicks trade for Anthony, pushing Amare into support role again.
It was also great to watch Amare scream "and-one" several times while missing. It was great watching him argue with the ref while his man gets an easy dunk on the other end. It was great seeing him choke and miss two free throws in the fourth quarter.
Watching NY vs. Boston is just like watching Phoenix Vs. San Antonio before last season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was astonished by that too. I turned the game on with maybe three minutes left and Stoudemire never touched the ball. It was only after the game that I looked at the box score and saw that he had been very productive, while Anthony was just throwing up bricks all game.

he wasn't just being productive, he was simply dominating Garnett in the fourth quarter... and as usual, DA figures out a way for him NOT to even touch the ball in the last 3 minutes.

he's such a terrible coach.

 

[Mulli]

he wasn't just being productive, he was simply dominating Garnett in the fourth quarter... and as usual, DA figures out a way for him NOT to even touch the ball in the last 3 minutes.

he's such a terrible coach.

And that is the reason, I can't even bring myself to even bother watching the NYK BOS series.

If Knicks don't make this a decent series (and even if they do), I think there is a chance Pringles is not the Knick coach next year.

 

[Covert Rain]

he wasn't just being productive, he was simply dominating Garnett in the fourth quarter... and as usual, DA figures out a way for him NOT to even touch the ball in the last 3 minutes.

he's such a terrible coach.

There are a few things you can always depend on with D'Antoni teams.

• Struggle on the boards
• Struggle on defense (especially when it counts)
• Offensive confusion when Plan A doesn't work

I don't miss that guy one bit.

Sucks to see Amare dominate in the playoffs for a different team.

But at least all the idiots here who wanted him out got their wish.

You mean the same idiots who wanted more rebounding and defense which wins titles?

Yeah....those guys are stupid.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There are a few things you can always depend on with D'Antoni teams.

• Struggle on the boards
• Struggle on defense (especially when it counts)
• Offensive confusion when Plan A doesn't work

I don't miss that guy one bit.

you forgot:

will lead the entire game and then ultimately crumble at the end and give up a likely WIDE-OPEN three pointer to kill you.

 

[slinslin]

You mean the same idiots who wanted more rebounding and defense which wins titles?

Yeah....those guys are stupid.

So then you trade your perennial allstar big man? He might not have been a great rebounder but decent enough.

By that argument why is Nash still on the team?

It's a joke that the Suns are all that into having Steve Nash retire as a 40 year old leading a mediocre team but did not keep their true franchise player who RECRUITED Nash in the first place and never played for another team.

It's all fine with Nash's MVPs but the first season Amare was just as worthy as Nash to get that MVP. Unfortunately the media was getting all worked up because Nash was the one coming to the team while Amare was there before and how Nash "made" Amare what he was.

 

[slinslin]

It was also great to watch Amare scream "and-one" several times while missing. It was great watching him argue with the ref while his man gets an easy dunk on the other end. It was great seeing him choke and miss two free throws in the fourth quarter.
Watching NY vs. Boston is just like watching Phoenix Vs. San Antonio before last season.

Yeah Amare was really bad.

 

[Covert Rain]

So then you trade your perennial allstar big man? He might not have been a great rebounder but decent enough.

I had no problems with them trading Amare. What I had problems with is what they got in return. If they had traded Amare away for a decent defender (knowing this team would continue to focus on offense) I would have been just fine and happy.

If the team was willing to make a commitment to building this roster around defense and wanted to hold on to Amare, I would have had no problem with that either.

You and I both know that wasn't going to happen.

By that argument why is Nash still on the team?

It's a joke that the Suns are all that into having Steve Nash retire as a 40 year old leading a mediocre team but did not keep their true franchise player who RECRUITED Nash in the first place and never played for another team.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Nash is a huge liability on this team defensively. Like I said about Amare, you need to surround Nash with defensive talent. Nash is a 2 time MVP and future Hall of Famer. Amare has potential to get there but he was inept at 2 areas you need in the playoffs which is rebounding and defense.

So, though I don't completely agree with the Suns, I also looked at it from their point of view. Amare is one knee injury away from disappearing from this league IMO. Though I personally think his knee will probably hold up just fine, I don't blame the franchise for holding onto Steve. As of today though, I don't think we should hold on to Steve at this point in his career let alone resign him for 2 more.

 

[slinslin]

Yeah you have to surround Nash with great shooters, great defenders and a pick and roll threat.

Sounds easy considering 99% of the NBA teams need shooters that can also defend very well.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah you have to surround Nash with great shooters, great defenders and a pick and roll threat.

Sounds easy considering 99% of the NBA teams need shooters that can also defend very well.

Yeah but in Amare's case, you would have to have a great defending Center, SF, and SG at the very least. Most teams have trouble getting their hands on one very good defender let alone 3.

Also rebounders come at a premium and chances are one of them would have to be a damn good defender.

Pick your poison. I don't think one would be easier than the other.

 

[BC867]

Worse? JRich is not playing worse than Carter. He had a bad game one but that doesn't mean overall he is worse than Carter. Second, JRich fits this system perfectly. It's no coincidence that his numbers went down after playing in a more methodical system in Orlando than in Phoenix.

I didn't say that JRich is playing worse than Carter.

I questioned the philosophy written by SirStefan32 that said, "If J-Rich keeps playing like he played yesterday, we might be able to sign him cheap this summer. He looked worse than Vince Carter."

If that were the case, why would we want to sign him? You answered the question, referring to the different systems in Orlando and Phoenix.

 

[SirStefan32]

I didn't say that JRich is playing worse than Carter.

I questioned the philosophy written by SirStefan32 that said, "If J-Rich keeps playing like he played yesterday, we might be able to sign him cheap this summer. He looked worse than Vince Carter."

If that were the case, why would we want to sign him? You answered the question, referring to the different systems in Orlando and Phoenix.

I was just saying that JRich having a really poor series could make him a bit cheaper to sign this summer. I am not saying he is as horrible as Carter. I like J-Rich a lot, and want to see him back in Phoenix next year.

 

[Griffin]

It's a joke that the Suns are all that into having Steve Nash retire as a 40 year old leading a mediocre team but did not keep their true franchise player who RECRUITED Nash in the first place and never played for another team.

This is not a valid comparison. Amare will be making $20M/year. Nash makes $10M/year. That is a huge difference. If Nash was a free agent asking for $20M/year, he wouldn't be here anymore. As always, it all comes down to money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah but in Amare's case, you would have to have a great defending Center, SF, and SG at the very least. Most teams have trouble getting their hands on one very good defender let alone 3.

Also rebounders come at a premium and chances are one of them would have to be a damn good defender.

Pick your poison. I don't think one would be easier than the other.

i think a front line of Amare/Gortat would be pretty damn tough to beat in this league as building blocks for the future... something that very easily could have happened seeing as the supposed plan all along was to sign Amare AND trade for Turkoglu.

 

[Mulli]

This just in from Chicago: NbA refs are turrble.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I absolutely abhor the schedule that the NBA puts together for the playoffs. It should be one day rest between games till the end. At this rate, we won't finish until August.

 

[D-Dogg]

This just in from Chicago: NbA refs are turrble.

Is that from Chicago's perspective or from Indy's?

I didn't see the last of that game, but from what I'm reading online, it sounds like the Bulls were the benefactors of two bad calls in crunch time. True? Arguable?

The Thuggets got flat out robbed in their first game, and the NBA apologized. It couldn't have been as bad as that, could it?

 

[Mulli]

Is that from Chicago's perspective or from Indy's?

I didn't see the last of that game, but from what I'm reading online, it sounds like the Bulls were the benefactors of two bad calls in crunch time. True? Arguable?

The Thuggets got flat out robbed in their first game, and the NBA apologized. It couldn't have been as bad as that, could it?

It was for both, but in both games, the Bulls D clamped down on defense. No one on Indy could make a shot in crunch time. Most of them didn't seem to want to shoot.

AJ Price gets a foul called after missing a three against D. Rose? What? How a ref lets someone the caliber of AJ Price pull a Reggie Miller is beyond me.

The offensive foul called on Hibbert against Jo-kim was bad, but it wasn't really the difference in the game.

And there make-up calls back of forth almost once every 3 minutes.

No it wasn't the level of the OKC robjob.

 

[Suns_fan69]

The offensive foul on Hibbert was atrocious and it took away the follow up slam George. However, I think a travel should have been called on the play anyways so it was the right result in the end (change of possession).

 

[Cheesebeef]

um... so... the knicks are up 3 with 2:35 left, Carmelo is single-handedly carrying them in the fourth quarter and... he never gets another shot again in the game? is that not an exact carbon copy of what happened in game 1 when Amare was dominating, the knicks were up 3 with 2:37 left and... he never touched the ball or shot it again?

DA... just classic DA...

 

[carey]

DA... just classic DA...

I love how DA gets the blame for what the idiots on the court do. You don't think he wanted Anthony taking EVERY shot in the final 5 minutes of that game? You don't think his players should have KNOWN to foul Delonte West and that they could throw it backcourt? That team is Amare, Melo, Fields and 9 D-Leaguers and they still almost won twice in Boston.

What DA does deserve bad credit for is not finding room for Anthony Randolph and Corey Brewer. They are starting Jared Jefferies and watching him turn the ball over with 15 seconds left in the game...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I love how DA gets the blame for what the idiots on the court do. You don't think he wanted Anthony taking EVERY shot in the final 5 minutes of that game?

it's the coaches job to get the players on the court to do what he wants them to do and if he can't diagram plays or can't get his players to understand that guy with the hot hand NEEDS the ball in BACK TO BACK games then the problem lies with him.

He used to do the same crap with us.

What DA does deserve bad credit for is not finding room for Anthony Randolph and Corey Brewer. They are starting Jared Jefferies and watching him turn the ball over with 15 seconds left in the game...

he deserves bad credit for that too.