2011 NBA Playoffs Thread
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yeah and to piggy back on the posts that you are responding to. the bulls have other guys that can score. deng averages double figures, boozer does too and can do more than what he has. they have guys who can score, sometimes rose just takes over games because of his god given ability. I think it's just a balance. if they play like they did in game 6 as a team they can win this series.
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uh... not sure why I'm quoted in the above. I thought they'd beat the Hawks. I just don't think they'll beat the Heat.
And the idea that the the Bulls can shut down the Wade and LeBron like the Spurs did Amare and Nash is ludicrous. Neither Amare or Nash were anywhere close to as dominant scorers as Wade and LeBron (and to be honest, the Spurs never did shut Amare down. He always had a field day with that team.)
sorry Heaters... I know you're itching to see them lose and already making excuses for how they just rolled Boston in 5 games (when most of you predicted they would lose) but this train keeps on a rolling into the Finals me thinks.
I'm just looking at what I see on the court from this point....looks like this will be a close series and the heat can lose. boston is not their main roadblock in the east. I thought that boston would beat miami, but I was wrong. I do think that injuries played a role, but that doesn't matter. the best team wins a 7 game series.
I actually like lebron and dwade. they are both top 5 players in the league and I was hoping somehow that dallas could get dwade(pipe dream). I think they are both incredible to watch and they will win a title or titles. I just think that this year they don't have the supporting cast that it takes to beat a team like chicago. I may be wrong.....we will see.
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no he didn't.
actually, it is. he'd never won a playoff series before this season.
this is ridiculous. At full strength, the Celtics got their asses kicked in the first two games of the series with Miami and even in a weakened position, that team, which has been the standard bearer for four years in the East with it's best coach wasn't the challenge that a 44 win, perenially swept second round fodder Atlanta team was for Chicago? That's ridiculous man.
about as ridiculous as the mavericks beating the lakers....i know right? lol.
the celtics have been on fumes in the second half of the season. it's not like they were showing signs of winning in the playoffs. people were picking them to win by default. even against the knicks. I didn't watch those games, but all of the nba people were saying how bad they looked going into the second round. atlanta played very well in the playoffs compared to boston and orlando(who were favored to do better than ATL).
and my fault. I was wrong about the bulls beating the celtics. they were eliminated in 7 games, but rose played incredible against them as a rookie. I think that was the year the celtics lost to the magic, but I'm not sure. I just remember being shoked that the bulls were beating the celtics. and that year wasn't kg out?
either way I think the bulls are a deeper team than the heat and I feel like that gives them a slight edge. the heat have the two superstars, but it's not like derek rose is chopped liver. he is a star player as well and has a better supporting cast. this is just my opinion. it's not like we are all going to agree. some feel that miami is the best team because they have the best stars. I agree with that notion that they have the best stars better than any in the league). However, I look at the fact that most, if not all, championships are won by teams that have both stars and great role players. I may be wrong at the end of the day. Wouldn't be the first time.
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they might have been saying that after games 1 and 2 of the knicks series, but no one was saying this after they kicked the crap out of them in games 3 and 4 at the Garden. everyone was talking about how they got their mojo back... then the Heat whipped their asses in the first two games in Miami.
well i think they lost their mojo when rondo's elbow popped out of socket. you can say what you want to about the heat already winning the series, but that was a series changing injury. either way it doesn't matter. I was wrong about the celtics beating the heat. I thought they would and I was wrong. If the heat beat the the bulls I will be wrong again. and if they win the nba title...i will be wrong again and will own up. Honestly, if the mavericks don't win I would like to see lebron get his first ring.
It may have been a fluke(hard to believe that it was a sweep)
but the mavericks kind of gave the blueprint of how a team can defeat another team that has a few stars. While it is not necessarily leborn, dwade, and bosh...if there is a close 2nd it would be hard to find something better than gasol, bryant, and bynum. that was thought to be the most sound inpassable force in the league and I feel like the mavericks(with one star) and a lot of role players...showed that a deep team can beat a team that is top heavy with stars.
with that same logic it is possible that the bulls can beat the miami heat. but just like dallas beating LA(chicago will have to take a lead early in that series to get them rattled). If the heat go into chicago and win a game(or both) i think the bulls will probably lose.
but the mavericks kind of gave the blueprint of how a team can defeat another team that has a few stars. While it is not necessarily leborn, dwade, and bosh...if there is a close 2nd it would be hard to find something better than gasol, bryant, and bynum. that was thought to be the most sound inpassable force in the league and I feel like the mavericks(with one star) and a lot of role players...showed that a deep team can beat a team that is top heavy with stars.
with that same logic it is possible that the bulls can beat the miami heat. but just like dallas beating LA(chicago will have to take a lead early in that series to get them rattled). If the heat go into chicago and win a game(or both) i think the bulls will probably lose.
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yeah, i'm kinda with you there. the NBA needs a new bad guy to root against and as fun as it kind of is to watch LeBron fail, the league needs it's heavy if the playoffs are gonna be continually interesting. Dynasty's are what make leagues interesting IMO.
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yeah, but I think the Mavs are a) a better team than Chicago with much better depth and they are MUCH more experienced. Which is why I think Dallas would have a really good shot at beating Miami. I just don't think the Bulls have all the pieces/experience quite yet to overcome the Heat's greatness at the top two positions.
maybe so...we will see. I've seen what dwade can do in a series lol. he and lebron alone can be the difference if other guys just score a few points here and there. chicago has a lot of role players and are deep, but the question for them will become can they score enough points. chicago hangs their hat almost completely on defense and hopes that having rose on the floor is enough down the stretch(whether he scores or gets someone a shot).
dallas is a little different that chicago in the sense that they are a much better offensive team that also plays good defense. i honestly would rather see a miami/dallas finals. that's what I want personally. not because of the way they matchup, but because of the history and the ratings that it would draw.
yep, when I was a kid I hated the bulls because of MJ. and then when he left I loved him. i didn't realize how great he was. I think it was also different because the mavs sucked and I didn't have an NBA team to cheer for. so i was anti bulls no matter what.
this last decade having the spurs and lakers winning pretty much ruined the mavs(and your suns) chances of winning a title. although the heat trumped the mavs that one year. so if the mavs do win a title against the heat that would be pretty sweet to have beaten the team that beat them the last time.
Now that the mavs are winning I don't pay as much attention to the top teams in the league so I don't necessarily hate them. If that makes sense. I hated the bulls because I was bored(with the mavs being a waste) and I actualy watched more of their games than any other team in hopes that they would lose.
but if and when the mavs are out...i won't mind watching the heat. especially when they actually get some good players there. there is no question that they are going to be good for a long time if they can somehow bolster that lineup. sometimes it just takes time. but look at the mavs example. they have done a great job of getting a deep core of nba players who have been stars in the league previously and rally around a superstar to try to win. if the heat could ever get that type of depth forget about it. they can win 3 or 4 in a row like the lakers and celtics have done.
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So "exactly" doesn't mean you were agreeing? My bad. And I said "contained" which to me does not mean "shut down." The Spurs beat them even when the two stars Nash and Amare were getting their points.
And, why wouldn't I want the Bulls to beat the Heat? I have lived in Chicago for 2005.
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Because Miami is as good a defensive team as Chicago or better..
Maybe on the perimeter.
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was agreeing that Rose can't win the title on his own. Never said anything about him not being able to beat the Hawks. Actually, pretty sure I said he would beat the Hawks... or at least CONTINUALLY talked about how he couldn't beat the Heat and the only way to get to that convo is... well... beating the Hawks, no?
a) The Bulls aren't the Spurs b) and Wade/LeBron is a much more devastating combo than Nash and Amare... not to mention, they still have to account for Bosh as well... something the Spurs never really had to worry about, a third option.
Pfft on Bosh. He will get nervous or something. You are far more confident in the Heat than I am in the Bulls, but I think the Bulls have a shot.
Do you really think Boston was at full strength? They are nowhere near the team they were with Perkins at C and Posey and House coming off the bench. And with Rondo on one wing because Wade tackled him. I am quite concerned that Wade will do the same to Rose.
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like your boy Boozer who's testicles have shrunk in every playoff series he's ever played in? Give me Bosh's (admittedly) soft ass over Boozer's non-existent one any day of the week.
I don't think it'll be an ass-kicking. i think it'll be a hard fought series that the Heat take in 6. do the bulls have a shot? sure. i just think they're a year and a player away.
I think Boston is what it's been the past 3 years... beat up, broken down and yet STILL a tough out. You mention Perk and Posey and House... but Posey/House haven't played for them in three years and Perk was out last year, Garnett was on one leg and they still almost beat the Lakers. Hell, KG was out two years ago and they almost beat the Magic. The Celtics are what they are. They're always beat up, they've always got an injury, but they're always tough as nails.
in the three games previous with Rondo on two wings, they kicked the snot out of them 3 straight times.
lol. yeah, that Wade's got a history for being dirty. give me a break Mulli.
Hooey and applesauce. You are obviously a Bullhater because MJ won so much. If you think that was the same half court offense for the Celtics you are nuts. Rondo doesn't go down the geriatric Celts take the Heat 7. Okay, maybe not.
I am not the biggest fan of Boozer, and he is just in the past few games starting to score again (after a sore pinky toe of something).
I thought his career playoff stats were surprising.
55 games: 18.6 points and 11.9 rebounds
Bosh in 10 games:
16.3 pts and 9.6 reb
Noah in 11 playoff games:
9.9 points and 10.4 boards.
I thought his career playoff stats were surprising.
55 games: 18.6 points and 11.9 rebounds
Bosh in 10 games:
16.3 pts and 9.6 reb
Noah in 11 playoff games:
9.9 points and 10.4 boards.
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wow. I'll admit, I'm stunned by those numbers for Boozer. i just remember him getting eaten alive over and over and over again by the Lakers every year.
all things being said, Heat v. Bulls has the potential to be a GREAT rivalry for the next 5 years.
I was shocked as well. And, turf toe injury or no, it looked like Hansborough was out-muscling him WAY too much.
I just saw a stat that said Deng hits 40% of 3 pts when El bj is guarding him. El bj like 19% when Deng is covering him. Whatever that means.
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I don't. The Heat just need role players to complete their team. Chicago needs a lot more, not to mention the Heat have 2 of the top 3 players in the league. Wade, Lebron (and Howard).
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