2012 Suns voluntary workouts

[Errntknght]

Wow, he is schooling some washouts on the boardwalk... impressive!

He has been doing this routine for years, remember last year when he dropped a bajillion points in some Rucker Park game and it was on ESPN? Street ball is not the thing Beasley needs to be doing to expand his game, that style of play feeds into all his bad habits.

Amen.

 

[elindholm]

These are called voluntary workouts for a reason and assuming that someone is being lazy or isn't trying to improve because they weren't at a voluntary workout is ridiculous.

Practically everything is "voluntary." Eating well, hitting the weight room, going easy on the partying -- these are the things that players do when they have a passion for the game and want to maximize their talent. I don't know what Beasley's circumstances are, but it's perfectly legitimate to recognize that his absence from "voluntary" workouts is at odds with his stated commitment to turning his career around.

It would probably be a good idea to at least have facts about what someone is doing before assuming the worst.

At the very least, if Beasley wanted to show respect to his new employer, he'd explain why he was skipping the voluntary workouts, rather than leave the PR guys scratching their heads and looking stupid.

 

[Chaplin]

Wow, he is schooling some washouts on the boardwalk... impressive!

He has been doing this routine for years, remember last year when he dropped a bajillion points in some Rucker Park game and it was on ESPN? Street ball is not the thing Beasley needs to be doing to expand his game, that style of play feeds into all his bad habits.

Take a pill. You guys whine and whine and whine, I think we know by now you have no confidence whatsoever in this team, it's management or the Suns organization in general. Do us all a favor and make this your signature so you won't have to post it every time.

And I was reporting what I heard, not giving an opinion about it. Time to grow up a little.

 

[Chaplin]

Practically everything is "voluntary." Eating well, hitting the weight room, going easy on the partying -- these are the things that players do when they have a passion for the game and want to maximize their talent. I don't know what Beasley's circumstances are, but it's perfectly legitimate to recognize that his absence from "voluntary" workouts is at odds with his stated commitment to turning his career around.

Except he's not absent. This whole argument is moot--there is VISUAL proof that he isn't absent!

 

[Griffin]

Except he's not absent. This whole argument is moot--there is VISUAL proof that he isn't absent!

Yes, he is there now. Good for him. And yes, it's voluntary. But for a player trying hard to shed a certain label and prove that he can be a good teammate and not a problem maker, It would have served him better to be the first guy on the court and the last guy to leave. Were those pick-up games he was playing really more important than an extra week of building chemistry with his new teammates? Ultimately it's not that big of a deal yet. But I have my doubts that much will change during the course of the season.

 

[Mainstreet]

There's a new video on suns.com of voluntary workouts and Beasley is already there. The last shot has he and Dragic sitting down on the bench and talking.

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/voluntary-workouts

The video wasn't very long. Could it be a conspiracy?

Just joking.

 

[Griffin]

New Beasley interview posted online:

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2012/09/17/beasley120917wmv-2218172

 

[Mainstreet]

Interesting interview just watching Beasley's body language. He often had this distant stare, like looking past the interviewer at times, almost detached. Still he said the right things. He looked extremely relaxed to the point I was wondering if his mannerisms were a stress reliever. Maybe other teams have misinterpreted his body language. Just my thoughts. It would be huge if he worked out for the Suns.

 

[Errntknght]

Well, he looked physically fit, anyway

 

[KloD]

Interesting interview just watching Beasley's body language. He often had this distant stare, like looking past the interviewer at times, almost detached. Still he said the right things. He looked extremely relaxed to the point I was wondering if his mannerisms were a stress reliever. Maybe other teams have misinterpreted his body language. Just my thoughts. It would be huge if he worked out for the Suns.

Looked to me that he was distracted by something going on behind the interviewer. No big deal. He's clearly not the brightest bulb in the bunch.

 

[BC867]

Interesting interview just watching Beasley's body language. He often had this distant stare, like looking past the interviewer at times, almost detached. Still he said the right things. He looked extremely relaxed to the point I was wondering if his mannerisms were a stress reliever. Maybe other teams have misinterpreted his body language. Just my thoughts. It would be huge if he worked out for the Suns.

And, of course, time is a factor. Whatever happens will be happening over a tedious 82 game schedule. The longer it goes on, the more it will reveal. About his attitude. About how he fits in.

As has been pointed out, he's got to lead the Suns in scoring, but will it be done in a positive way for the rest of the team (and coaching staff)?

 

[Phrazbit]

And, of course, time is a factor. Whatever happens will be happening over a tedious 82 game schedule. The longer it goes on, the more it will reveal. About his attitude. About how he fits in.

As has been pointed out, he's got to lead the Suns in scoring, but will it be done in a positive way for the rest of the team (and coaching staff)?

We'd probably be better off if he didnt lead the team in scoring and tried to play more of a complimentary role. If he has a lot of free will in the offense then I dont see him having any prayer of breaking his old habits.

 

[Mainstreet]

In regard to thinking about Beasley, I couldn't help but think of an article I read awhile back from Valley of the Suns written by Michael Schwartz dated August 25th, 2012, that Beasley might be miscast as a SF and should be playing PF. Of course the Suns have depth at PF but could it be that part of the reason that Beasley has not experienced the success that was expected of him, is because he is not playing his natural position. His college stats suggest he should be playing PF.

Anyway, food for thought.

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/08/25/can-michael-beasley-shed-bust-label/#more-34432

 

[HooverDam]

New Beasley interview posted online:

http://www.nba.com/suns/video/2012/09/17/beasley120917wmv-2218172

He's amazingly dumb, even for a basketball player.

 

[Griffin]

could it be that part of the reason that Beasley has not experienced the success that was expected of him, is because he is not playing his natural position.

I doubt that playing out of position was a bigger factor than:

He's amazingly dumb, even for a basketball player.

I think his low IQ and maturity level has contributed more to his lack of success in this league than anything else. Of course he was also surrounded by a bunch of other dumb players which didn't help matters.

With the Suns, even without Nash and Hill, they still have smart players in leadership positions (Dudley, Gortat, Dragic) and much fewer immature players, so this new environment may help a bit.

 

[slinslin]

Beasley will flourish when he is the #1 option. It will help him develop. One thing is for sure, this team will only go as far as Beasley carries them. It's the best situation for him to breakout now.

Usually top 3 picks instantly become the focus of the offense. For Beasley that was not the case with Wade being a very ball dominant player and Beasley being fairly immature.

He showed in Minnesota that he could be a 24ppg scorer but then Kevin Love started to become the focus for the team and Beasley injured.

I expect him to put up 20-24ppg for our team unless Dragic hogs the ball. Of course we will suck and win probably less than 30 games but being the focal point of the offense will make Beasley better.

 

[Mainstreet]

Beasley will flourish when he is the #1 option. It will help him develop. One thing is for sure, this team will only go as far as Beasley carries them. It's the best situation for him to breakout now.

Usually top 3 picks instantly become the focus of the offense. For Beasley that was not the case with Wade being a very ball dominant player and Beasley being fairly immature.

He showed in Minnesota that he could be a 24ppg scorer but then Kevin Love started to become the focus for the team and Beasley injured.

I expect him to put up 20-24ppg for our team unless Dragic hogs the ball. Of course we will suck and win probably less than 30 games but being the focal point of the offense will make Beasley better.

It's likely not going to happen, but do you think Beasley would play better as a PF than as a SF just going off one year of college stats?

 

[Budden]

Beasley will flourish when he is the #1 option. It will help him develop. One thing is for sure, this team will only go as far as Beasley carries them. It's the best situation for him to breakout now.

Usually top 3 picks instantly become the focus of the offense. For Beasley that was not the case with Wade being a very ball dominant player and Beasley being fairly immature.

He showed in Minnesota that he could be a 24ppg scorer but then Kevin Love started to become the focus for the team and Beasley injured.

I expect him to put up 20-24ppg for our team unless Dragic hogs the ball. Of course we will suck and win probably less than 30 games but being the focal point of the offense will make Beasley better.

I agree. Beasley has had the huge misfortune of sometimes playing with good basketball players. I mean, how is the guy supposed to succeed when he is surrounded by players who aren't mediocre? It's like asking Mugsy Bogues to look tall and then lining him up against people of slightly below-average height. Of course he's not going to be able to do that!

As long as the Suns don't improve, Beasley might actually get his time in the Sun. I fully expect him to play quite adequately in training-camp scrimmages. Unfortunately, the way the NBA is designed these days, the Suns are going to be forced to play against other teams. And that's just not fair.

 

[BC867]

In regard to thinking about Beasley, I couldn't help but think of an article I read awhile back from Valley of the Suns written by Michael Schwartz dated August 25th, 2012, that Beasley might be miscast as a SF and should be playing PF. Of course the Suns have depth at PF.

At 6'10"-235, he has the build of a tweener. I don't like tweeners at PF.

But if he has the speed and agility to play SF, and the capability of being our 20+ ppg scorer (without hogging the ball), it would be a plus for us at SF.

 

[Phrazbit]

Beasley will flourish when he is the #1 option. It will help him develop. One thing is for sure, this team will only go as far as Beasley carries them. It's the best situation for him to breakout now.

Usually top 3 picks instantly become the focus of the offense. For Beasley that was not the case with Wade being a very ball dominant player and Beasley being fairly immature.

He showed in Minnesota that he could be a 24ppg scorer but then Kevin Love started to become the focus for the team and Beasley injured.

I expect him to put up 20-24ppg for our team unless Dragic hogs the ball. Of course we will suck and win probably less than 30 games but being the focal point of the offense will make Beasley better.

In his first year in Minnesota he WAS the #1 option (he took waaay more shot attempts than Love) and it led to the Wolves being the worst team in the entire league. Running your offense through an inefficient and low basketball IQ player is only going to result in you having a pathetic offense. Beasley might individually score (much like he did that year) but the teams offense suffers dramatically.

If Beasley "carries" this team then I fully expect them to be one of the worst 5 teams in the entire league.

He needs to learn to be a role player, because thats what he is.

 

[Phrazbit]

I agree. Beasley has had the huge misfortune of sometimes playing with good basketball players. I mean, how is the guy supposed to succeed when he is surrounded by players who aren't mediocre? It's like asking Mugsy Bogues to look tall and then lining him up against people of slightly below-average height. Of course he's not going to be able to do that!

As long as the Suns don't improve, Beasley might actually get his time in the Sun. I fully expect him to play quite adequately in training-camp scrimmages. Unfortunately, the way the NBA is designed these days, the Suns are going to be forced to play against other teams. And that's just not fair.

lol, brilliant. 5/5

 

[binkar]

In his first year in Minnesota he WAS the #1 option (he took waaay more shot attempts than Love) and it led to the Wolves being the worst team in the entire league. Running your offense through an inefficient and low basketball IQ player is only going to result in you having a pathetic offense. Beasley might individually score (much like he did that year) but the teams offense suffers dramatically.

If Beasley "carries" this team then I fully expect them to be one of the worst 5 teams in the entire league.

He needs to learn to be a role player, because thats what he is.

I don't visit this Suns board much anymore, but it seems you manage to turn every thread here into a Beasley bash. Everyone knows you hate Beasley. We get it. Move on.

 

[Mainstreet]

At 6'10"-235, he has the build of a tweener. I don't like tweeners at PF.

But if he has the speed and agility to play SF, and the capability of being our 20+ ppg scorer (without hogging the ball), it would be a plus for us at SF.

I can see where you might consider Beasley as a tweener but his college stats at Kansas State suggest his best position might be PF especially with those rebounding totals of 12.4 rebounds a game. Maybe the mistake is not playing him at PF. I think he is big enough to play the position and this would extend his value beyond being just a scorer. I'm can't help but wonder if part of Beasley's problems in the NBA (in contrast to how he excelled in college) is that he is miscast. Physical attributes does not always indicate position.

 

[elindholm]

From what I've seen of Beasley in the NBA, he looks more like a SF to me. How he lined up in college (and how he performed) was probably more due to his opposition.

 

[slinslin]

I agree. Beasley has had the huge misfortune of sometimes playing with good basketball players. I mean, how is the guy supposed to succeed when he is surrounded by players who aren't mediocre? It's like asking Mugsy Bogues to look tall and then lining him up against people of slightly below-average height. Of course he's not going to be able to do that!

As long as the Suns don't improve, Beasley might actually get his time in the Sun. I fully expect him to play quite adequately in training-camp scrimmages. Unfortunately, the way the NBA is designed these days, the Suns are going to be forced to play against other teams. And that's just not fair.

not all players make good complimentary players even if very talented