2014 Draft Prospect Watch...

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Brett Hundley. Hometown kid with elite talent, solid work ethic, NFL genes, and a great head on his shoulders.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Brett Hundley. Hometown kid with elite talent, solid work ethic, NFL genes, and a great head on his shoulders.

he's the guy I really want.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

he's the guy I really want.

Trade up to get him if necessary in my opinion.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trade up to get him if necessary in my opinion.

we lose on Sunday and we won't have to.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

we lose on Sunday and we won't have to.

Haha I was thinking something similar especially with how the Rams/Niners look tonight.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Living in Portland may be swaying me, but I am on the Marcus Mariota bandwagon. The same guys who said Dion Jordan would struggle in the NFL feels Mariota is a smarter Kaepernick with stronger arm who will be a throw first, run second QB. Who needs a LT if you have that and with all the QB's, he could be there as late as 10.

But is he even going to be in this draft? Same with Hundley?

 

[bankybruce]

But is he even going to be in this draft? Same with Hundley?

They are both top 10 players, so they would be foolish not to. See Matt Barkley.

 

[Southpaw]

Brett Hundley. NFL genes

Are you sure about this?

 

[Southpaw]

Living in Portland may be swaying me, but I am on the Marcus Mariota bandwagon. The same guys who said Dion Jordan would struggle in the NFL feels Mariota is a smarter Kaepernick with stronger arm who will be a throw first, run second QB. Who needs a LT if you have that and with all the QB's, he could be there as late as 10.

Hasn't Dion struggled? Well actually not on the field, because he can't get on the field. Finally got some play last week. Same injury he had in college.

 

[Mulli]

Hasn't Dion struggled? Well actually not on the field, because he can't get on the field. Finally got some play last week. Same injury he had in college.

I think Grantland's Bill Barnwell said Dion looked solid to good this week, but the Phins DL is deep.

 

[Chopper0080]

Living in Portland may be swaying me, but I am on the Marcus Mariota bandwagon. The same guys who said Dion Jordan would struggle in the NFL feels Mariota is a smarter Kaepernick with stronger arm who will be a throw first, run second QB. Who needs a LT if you have that and with all the QB's, he could be there as late as 10.

I really like Mariota as well. He seems to have a good mix of taking chances down field while mitigating risk.

Hundley seems a bit too erratic in the games that I have watched but that total is maybe 4 or 5 games so I probably need to see more.

It is a good QB class so there should be no excuses in not taking QB one if we want to. The question becomes, do you pass on Barr or Lewan/Matthews for Boyd/Mariota/Hundley? That is a tough question IMO. There is a pert of me that would like to figure out a way to draft a pass rusher and a LT in rounds 1 and 2 and then trade up in 2015 for a QB in an RGIII deal.

 

[Mulli]

I really like Mariota as well. He seems to have a good mix of taking chances down field while mitigating risk.

Hundley seems a bit too erratic in the games that I have watched but that total is maybe 4 or 5 games so I probably need to see more.

It is a good QB class so there should be no excuses in not taking QB one if we want to. The question becomes, do you pass on Barr or Lewan/Matthews for Boyd/Mariota/Hundley? That is a tough question IMO.

Choppy Chops, do you see Terrelle Pryor as a QBOF?

 

[Southpaw]

I really like Mariota as well. He seems to have a good mix of taking chances down field while mitigating risk.

I have a suspicion Chip Kelly will be all over drafting Mariota. Vick will not last. Most of the named QBs are option QBs. They might not have the life span of a drop back QB, thus the need for more of them or drafting them lower.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Put me down for Mariota if he comes out. He's just a redshirt soph so I wouldn't be shocked to see him stay another year. If he does come out though, I say we trade out of the number one spot (assuming we lose to Jax), rake in the extra picks and grab Mariota somewhere around the 10th spot.

Steve

 

[Chopper0080]

Choppy Chops, do you see Terrelle Pryor as a QBOF?

I think if you surrounded Pryor with enough talent he could be effective, but that is more due to the NFL rules which are making it easier for college QBs to transition to the pros.

However, because it is Oakland, i don't believe that will happen. I think they will take Clowney, go forward with Pryor and continue to surround him w/ subpar talent which will exploit his weaknesses. The Raiders need a QB who can excell despite their flaws and I don't think Pryor is that guy.

 

[Mulli]

Can we start a list of QB's who WOULDN'T be successful surrounded with talent or "if given time to throw"

And a list of QB's who would be successful not surrounded with talent?

Example: Peyton Manning has been surrounded with talent his whole career.

 

[bankybruce]

Can we start a list of QB's who WOULDN'T be successful surrounded with talent or "if given time to throw"

And a list of QB's who would be successful not surrounded with talent?

Example: Peyton Manning has been surrounded with talent his whole career.

Max Hall, Derrick Anderson, Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Rick Mirer, Stoney Case, Akili Smith, Tim Tebow, Charlie Frye, Quincy Carter, Danny Wuerffel, Patrick Ramsey, Brady Quinn, Joey Harrington, Jim Druckenmiller, Tim Couch, Heath Shuler and Todd Marinovich.

 

[Southpaw]

Can we start a list of QB's who WOULDN'T be successful surrounded with talent or "if given time to throw"

And a list of QB's who would be successful not surrounded with talent?

Example: Peyton Manning has been surrounded with talent his whole career.

Wouldn't List

1. Josh Freeman
2. Mark Sanchez

 

[Mulli]

Wouldn't List

1. Josh Freeman
2. Mark Sanchez

An argument can be made that Freeman was more successful when surrounded by less talent.

 

[Chopper0080]

Can we start a list of QB's who WOULDN'T be successful surrounded with talent or "if given time to throw"

And a list of QB's who would be successful not surrounded with talent?

Example: Peyton Manning has been surrounded with talent his whole career.

Both Manning's have been successful without elite players around them. Same goes for Brady. Luck and Russell Wilson have not needed top talent. Tannehill has been good as well. Rodgers has elevated the level of his teammates.

 

[bankybruce]

I have a suspicion Chip Kelly will be all over drafting Mariota. Vick will not last. Most of the named QBs are option QBs. They might not have the life span of a drop back QB, thus the need for more of them or drafting them lower.

Oh Poop, I forgot about Philly. Let's hope they go on a great run or is so bad Kelly is fired or quits.

 

[Mulli]

Both Manning's have been successful without elite players around them. Same goes for Brady. Luck and Russell Wilson have not needed top talent. Tannehill has been good as well. Rodgers has elevated the level of his teammates.

Peyton and Eli have had some seriously good talent around them.

 

[Southpaw]

Peyton and Eli have had some seriously good talent around them.

Colts had same talent around Curtis Painter after Peyton went down.

 

[Mulli]

Colts had same talent around Curtis Painter after Peyton went down.

Painter garbage status doesn't take away from talent around Manning.


NOTE: My point is the phrase "could be successful if surrounded by talent" drives me crazy.

 

[bankybruce]

Painter garbage status doesn't take away from talent around Manning.


NOTE: My point is the phrase "could be successful if surrounded by talent" drives me crazy.

Why, there are several Super Bowl winning QB's who were just that. Trent Dilfer anyone?