Converted TE, and a whole bunch smaller than Clowney.
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Converted TE, and a whole bunch smaller than Clowney.
Barr is only an inch shorter and he can gain weight. Might be a converted TE but he's been a stud these last two seasons. Barr is also much faster than Clowney. Plus Barr doesn't have the character issues Clowney has he's pretty much quit on the team this year. CBS has them both ranked in the top 5 overall prospects for the 2014 draft this isn't some big stretch it's reminding me alot of the year Edge went ahead of Ricky Williams.
Been very disappointed in Clowney this year
Been very disappointed in Clowney this year
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I thought he was a converted RB -- not that it matters
While Clowney may not go 1st, if he slides, it won't be too far.
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They play different positions. Not everyone is going to project Barr/Clowney as a DE/OLB and vice versa. Even 3-4 teams might evaluate them differently. They're both beastly--we should table this conversation until January.
What did you think?
Of course my wife wanted to watch Bears/Gints so I didn't see a lot of it but what I saw in the first quarter was he had real zip on the ball. It seemed to me like it was just a flick of the wrist even for a deep ball... nice spiral.
Not the most accurate as he overthrew it a couple times.
Pretty mobile too. I didn't bother to look up his height and weight but he appears to be slight of build to me. Can he take pounding he would get in the NFL?? not sure about that.
I know this isn't much but he'd look good staying in Cardinal red... not that our boys will suck enough to be able to draft him, as usual.
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What publication has convinced you that he is that big? If you watch him again check out the huddle and compare him to the others. No one will know for sure until the combine and he may be one of those guys who don't participate. What is an RG3 type deal?
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He is an he isn't. He was a RB in HS and wanted to play RB in college which is how UCLA got him away from Notre Dame. Then UCLA made him essentially an H back so he was technically a TE but really a blocking FB.
Basically for 2 years Neuheisel tried to get him to play defense but he didn't want to. Then with the coaching change he decided I want to play so when Mora suggested he switch to defense he said yes.
Coy Wire prefers Barr http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...d-be-drafted-ahead-of-jadeveon-clowney-101013
I don't know how big Clowney really is wiki says 6'6" 274, I see 6'5" 249 elsewhere which is 1 inch and 1 pound more than Barr is listed at right now.
Barr is more versatile because he can play OLB in a 3-4 and cover people I don't think Clowney can. But Clowney if he's closer to the 274 number is obviously bigger and a freak athlete to put at DE.
I've been touting Barr since early last season, his improvement has been remarkable, he has moves now he didn't have before. he's relentless. I love the kid.
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ESPN player profile lists Teddy as 6-3 196 lbs
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/511614/teddy-bridgewater
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1825122/teddy-bridgewater
CBS list him at 6'3 205. He's a good sized kid. He doesn't look small on the field to me. An RG3 or Ricky Williams type deal trade your whole draft for the player you want. Never ever do that for any position other than QB in my opinion
See. All over the place.
Just warning the slurpers. Saw him play in High School for Miami Northwestern,which was/is not a QB hotbed. He was a gunslinger for sure. Started off as a self commit to FSU. Interest waned from FSU and TB. Self commit to Miami, for a moment. Ended up at Louisville thanks to Clint Hurtt, Charlie Strong's recruiting chief, who , BTW, was smack in the middle and chief orchestrator for Randy Shannon at the U of Miami which is buried in the NCAA play for pay Nevin Shapiro investigation. I don't believe this has anything to do with his athletic ability, but it may mean something about character. Buyer beware.
That gunslinger in high school was rated by rivals the #2 QB in the nation coming out of high school so he impressed somebody. Sounds like a kid who couldn't make up his mind where he wanted to go to school he's never had any indecent on or off the field that would suggest he had character issues.
Both have him at 6'3 with a difference of a few pounds thats hardly all over the place
Both have him at 6'3 with a difference of a few pounds thats hardly all over the place
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I have yet to see him play but this is a red flag for me. How many 200lb QB's are there in the NFL. Those flirting at that number get hurt more often than the 240lb guys.
If he shows up at the combine and weighs 230lbs or more and retains his movement skills then I am more interested.
He was a top 10 QB. Rivals rating service is a joke. It is a subscriber service that makes a living off of peddling "info". After folding it was purchased by Yahoo. Their "service" is suspect. NFL does not draft with Rivals info.
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BFD. The NFL routinely whiffs on half of their draft picks. Rivals also whiffs on about half of theirs.
Putting too much stock into what any draft or recruiting guru says is dumb.
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Clowney weighed in at 270ish this spring and ran a 4.5. As a freshman he was 6'6 249 and he looked that slim.
Clowney is easily athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB and at a high level. I've watched at least a dozen games he's played since his freshman year. The scary thing about Clowney is that I think he's really only scratching the surface of what he can do. He wasn't very good as a freshman, and he still got 11 sacks.
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OK good to know on the weight. On playing LB I meant in terms of feel for the position, I've seen him play twice so not that often but he seems to be doing nothing else but rushing the passer or chasing the ball on run plays. He may be able to cover but it doesn't seem like he's been asked to do it.
UCLA actually during the season last year started dropping Barr into coverage so much UCLA fans were complaining, why not let him rush the passer more. The reason was he was pretty damn good in coverage and teams were scheming against him as a pass rusher so they switched it up.
Obviously for both their best skill is rushing the passer. Barr is a punishing hitter against the run but I wouldn't call him a great run defender by any stretch.
For Clowney the question is all does he want it bad enough, apparently scouts have been saying well before this recent story, he has holes in his game and it's not clear he's all that motivated to fix them. But when you're that good of an athlete people are always looking to find something to complain about.
East Coast vs. West Coast bias.
Clowney is one of the most athletic unbridled football players I have ever seen.
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At 3-2, I have started shifting my focus to guys projected now in the 16-ish spot or later
That means Clowney and Barr are in that "interesting but won't be there" category for me (and yes, I do remember last year)
A OLB I have read about, but haven't seen is Kyle van Noye, BYU. Can rush the phaser, but sounds like an excellent all around athlete with good speed. Curious if anybody has seen him play.
That means Clowney and Barr are in that "interesting but won't be there" category for me (and yes, I do remember last year)
A OLB I have read about, but haven't seen is Kyle van Noye, BYU. Can rush the phaser, but sounds like an excellent all around athlete with good speed. Curious if anybody has seen him play.
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Yes,underweight.235,looks like daryl washington.
I hope for lewan in the 1st and derek carr in the 2nd
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After watching Stephen Morris I must say you are spot on with your assessment. Reminds me of Kapernick.
Thought I would offer up some games and players that I like, and that could possibly be had later in the draft, like the second or third round, if Keim decides to go in another direction if the first round, meaning quarterback. I have only listed offensive tackles and pass rushers since I think it almost has to be the targeted positions.
On Friday at 9 PM Oregon State will take on USC
From Oregon State I like their defense end Scott Crichton (#95). I believe he will be able to play rush linebacker as well.
On Saturday at 12.21 PM South Carolina will take on Mississippi State
Look out for the left tackle from South Carolina Corey Robinson (#53). I think he might have to shift to right tackle in the NFL but I have been wrong before.
Also from South Carolina, their other defensive end Chaz Sutton (#90) who is somewhat overlooked because of Clowney but he is a pretty good pass rusher himself.
On Saturday at 6 PM Arkansas will take on Auburn
He is not an offensive tackle or a pass rusher but take a look at Travis Swanson (#64), the center from Arkansas. I think he is the best center I have seen from this class.
I also like the defensive end Chris Smith (#42) from Arkansas. He has a lightning quick first step, some pass rush move and a rather big motor.
On Saturday at 7 PM Missouri will take on Tennessee
Obviously, Antonio Richardson (#74), the left tackle from Tennessee, is worth looking at but their other tackle, Ja’Wuan James (#70), is not too shabby himself. He was moved to the right side to make room for Richardson but I think he might be able to switch back to the left side in the NFL.
Both the defensive ends from Missouri, Michael Sam (#52) and Kony Ealy (#47), is interesting, and it will be fun to watch them go up against Richardson and James.
On Friday at 9 PM Oregon State will take on USC
From Oregon State I like their defense end Scott Crichton (#95). I believe he will be able to play rush linebacker as well.
On Saturday at 12.21 PM South Carolina will take on Mississippi State
Look out for the left tackle from South Carolina Corey Robinson (#53). I think he might have to shift to right tackle in the NFL but I have been wrong before.
Also from South Carolina, their other defensive end Chaz Sutton (#90) who is somewhat overlooked because of Clowney but he is a pretty good pass rusher himself.
On Saturday at 6 PM Arkansas will take on Auburn
He is not an offensive tackle or a pass rusher but take a look at Travis Swanson (#64), the center from Arkansas. I think he is the best center I have seen from this class.
I also like the defensive end Chris Smith (#42) from Arkansas. He has a lightning quick first step, some pass rush move and a rather big motor.
On Saturday at 7 PM Missouri will take on Tennessee
Obviously, Antonio Richardson (#74), the left tackle from Tennessee, is worth looking at but their other tackle, Ja’Wuan James (#70), is not too shabby himself. He was moved to the right side to make room for Richardson but I think he might be able to switch back to the left side in the NFL.
Both the defensive ends from Missouri, Michael Sam (#52) and Kony Ealy (#47), is interesting, and it will be fun to watch them go up against Richardson and James.
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