2014 Draft Prospect Watch...

[Mulli]

Why, there are several Super Bowl winning QB's who were just that. Trent Dilfer anyone?

I guess I should just treat it as an insult.

 

[Mulli]

For sake of discussion, look at Peyton's first MVP season:

Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edge James. Lots of talent there.

 

[Duckjake]

Peyton and Eli have had some seriously good talent around them.

No kidding. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James,Jeff Saturday, Tarik Glenn and Adam Vinatieri. The Colts Super Bowl champions had 7 of their first round draft picks on the roster.

 

[Mulli]

No kidding. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James,Jeff Saturday, Tarik Glenn and Adam Vinatieri.

Lots of high draft picks in the list. Vinatieri came somewhat later, but good point nonetheless.

 

[kerouac9]

Brett Farve was historically great with pretty awful talent around him. So was Dan Marino. Tom Brady makes the people around him better. Phil Rivers was so good for a while that his front office decided to play Jenga with their offensive personnel and see how long it took for the whole thing to come crashing down (answer: 2 years).

Chad Pennington (of all people) took two offensively-challenged teams to the playoffs.

 

[Duckjake]

Brett Farve was historically great with pretty awful talent around him. So was Dan Marino. Tom Brady makes the people around him better. Phil Rivers was so good for a while that his front office decided to play Jenga with their offensive personnel and see how long it took for the whole thing to come crashing down (answer: 2 years).

Chad Pennington (of all people) took two offensively-challenged teams to the playoffs.

Take a look at Green Bays defensive rankings the years Farve was taking them to the playoffs.

Chad Pennington's defenses were #9 and #6.

Marino had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton and they never ran the ball so he didn't need any Running Backs.

 

[Mulli]

Kurt Warner and Joe Montana, successful when surrounded by talent.

 

[kerouac9]

Take a look at Green Bays defensive rankings the years Farve was taking them to the playoffs.

Chad Pennington's defenses were #9 and #6.

Marino had Mark Duper and Mark Clayton and they never ran the ball so he didn't need any Running Backs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/

Okay, let's look:

2007 (13-3): Offense 4th in points, 2nd in yards; defense 6th in points, 11th in yards.
2004 (10-6): Offense 5th in points, 3rd in yards; defense 23rd in points, 25th in yards.
2003 (10-6): Offense 4th in points, 4th in yards; defense 11th in points, 17th in yards.
2002 (12-4): Offense 6th in points, 12th in yards; defense 12th in points, 12th in yards.
2001 (12-4): Offense 5th in points, 6th in yards; defense 5th in points, 12th in yards.

I'm not sure what having a good defense has to do with "surrounding with talent." For me that phrase means that if you have a top RB and a group of quality WR, you can have a playoff-caliber offense. That's the Alex Smith theory of success (I'd say that Troy Aikman was the least talented of the Dallas "Triplets", but I imagine that I'd get some argument on that.

 

[kerouac9]

Kurt Warner and Joe Montana, successful when surrounded by talent.

Yes. On both.

 

[Southpaw]

Kurt Warner and Joe Montana, successful when surrounded by talent.

Rams and 9ers were loaded.

 

[Duckjake]

Kurt Warner and Joe Montana, successful when surrounded by talent.

Paul Christman, successful when surrounded by talent.

 

[Duckjake]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/

Okay, let's look:

2007 (13-3): Offense 4th in points, 2nd in yards; defense 6th in points, 11th in yards.
2004 (10-6): Offense 5th in points, 3rd in yards; defense 23rd in points, 25th in yards.
2003 (10-6): Offense 4th in points, 4th in yards; defense 11th in points, 17th in yards.
2002 (12-4): Offense 6th in points, 12th in yards; defense 12th in points, 12th in yards.
2001 (12-4): Offense 5th in points, 6th in yards; defense 5th in points, 12th in yards.

I'm not sure what having a good defense has to do with "surrounding with talent." For me that phrase means that if you have a top RB and a group of quality WR, you can have a playoff-caliber offense. That's the Alex Smith theory of success (I'd say that Troy Aikman was the least talented of the Dallas "Triplets", but I imagine that I'd get some argument on that.

The point is you don't have to have a ton of offensive talent if the other team can't score. Not everybody can be the 2008 Cardinals. Heck you don't have to have anything other than the ability to get to the playoffs to make it to the SB these days. 9-7 Giants, 9-7 Cardinals, 10-6 Giants, 10-6 Packers, 10-6 Ravens.

 

[juza76]

What about this cole stoudt?
Is taji boyd back up.
First game 19/20 3tds
Today 10/11 1 td

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Kouandjio, for the first time since I've been watching, struggled yesterday. The freshman DE from Ole Miss gave him all he wanted. Of course that frosh will also likely be a top 5 pick when he's eligible. His name is Robert Ndekcwichi or something like that and he jumped on the Ole Miss payroll, along with a bunch of other talented freshmen this past recruiting season.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kouandjio, for the first time since I've been watching, struggled yesterday. The freshman DE from Ole Miss gave him all he wanted. Of course that frosh will also likely be a top 5 pick when he's eligible. His name is Robert Ndekcwichi or something like that and he jumped on the Ole Miss payroll, along with a bunch of other talented freshmen this past recruiting season.

QB from Florida St looked good.

Regarding OT, hopefully we look towards Albert or Monroe in the offseason so we can focus on QB and OLB in next years draft. That or possibly Orakpo and then Matthews or Lewan. We will see. Kouandjio could be first OT off the board even if he is raw.

 

[Southpaw]

QB from Florida St looked good.

Jameis Winston is a RS freshman. He also plays baseball ( conflict).

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I liked what I saw of Morris the QB from Miami-Fl today.

Also Anthony Barr is a complete monster.

No RB's early but Seastrunk is awfully good.

 

[Chopper0080]

I liked what I saw of Morris the QB from Miami-Fl today.

Also Anthony Barr is a complete monster.

No RB's early but Seastrunk is awfully good.

He would be tough to pass on in round 1.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Another player at another position not needed but I would love to see on the Cards is Sammie Watkins, the WR from Clemson. That guy is the best WR I've seen as a pro prospect since Calvin Johnson.

 

[GatorAZ]

Another player at another position not needed but I would love to see on the Cards is Sammie Watkins, the WR from Clemson. That guy is the best WR I've seen as a pro prospect since Calvin Johnson.

Great player but not in the same class as AJ Green in terms of prospects.

 

[SECTION 11]

I liked what I saw of Morris the QB from Miami-Fl today.

Also Anthony Barr is a complete monster.

No RB's early but Seastrunk is awfully good.

Barr is awesome. Seems like a reliable talent

 

[pacman]

I don't care where the Cards are in the draft if Barr falls to them they better take him....

 

[Southpaw]

I liked what I saw of Morris the QB from Miami-Fl today.

Be careful on Morris. Great arm. Can throw 60 yds through a brick wall, but often lacks touch. Very good athlete. Not as big as advertised and brain farts too often. Locks onto 1st receiver too often. Lacks mental maturity.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Be careful on Morris. Great arm. Can throw 60 yds through a brick wall, but often lacks touch. Very good athlete. Not as big as advertised and brain farts too often. Locks onto 1st receiver too often. Lacks mental maturity.

I was fine with the first negative but the mental errors and locks onto 1st receiver comment turn me off. You can work with a Doug Williams type (strong arm, questionable touch etc.) but if they don't have it upstairs they simply can't make it at this level in today's game. The defenses are just too complex.

Steve

 

[Finito]

I think Barr is going to jump Clowney. This Clowney thing is just strange it seems like he's just quit this year from the very first game. I've never seen a top notch player go out like this