2015-16 Around the NBA

[sunsfan88]

Looks like Markieff and Hornacek may reunite once again

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/720454632431075329

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Looks like Markieff and Hornacek may reunite once again

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/720454632431075329

That's hilarious.

 

[PDXChris]

Wolves in negotiations to make Tom Thibodeau coach

Tom Thibodeau is nearing agreement on a five-year deal in the $10 million range annually to become the coach and president of basketball operations of the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources told ESPN.com.

Sources told ESPN.com that Thibodeau and the Wolves were in the final stages of negotiations Wednesday on a deal that would give ‎the former Chicago Bulls coach full control of basketball operations in Minnesota.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...negotiate-tom-thibodeau-coach-scott-layden-gm

That is a lot of money!

He hates playing young players, so I wonder how he will handle such a young roster. Can't sit them all!

 

[Mainstreet]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...negotiate-tom-thibodeau-coach-scott-layden-gm

That is a lot of money!

He hates playing young players, so I wonder how he will handle such a young roster. Can't sit them all!

I'm thinking the Wolves need to run. I wonder how Thibodeau will fit with this roster.

IMO, the Wolves are over-paying. Wow, $10 million a year. They could get a lot of good coaches for this type money.

 

[GatorAZ]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...negotiate-tom-thibodeau-coach-scott-layden-gm

That is a lot of money!

He hates playing young players, so I wonder how he will handle such a young roster. Can't sit them all!

Which young players did he hate playing?

 

[Sunburn]

I'm thinking the Wolves need to run. I wonder how Thibodeau will fit with this roster.

IMO, the Wolves are over-paying. Wow, $10 million a year. They could get a lot of good coaches for this type money.

I do agree the Twolves seem built to be fast. However, Thibs has one thing going for him. Thibs' style can grate on veteran players. The wolves being so young will work in his favor. They will respond better to the control Thibodeau demands. With such a talented group, and willing to be pushed as hard as Thibs will, this could turn into a very scary team.

 

[Sunburn]

Looks like Markieff and Hornacek may reunite once again

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/720454632431075329

Bahahaha Lord please make this happen.

 

[PDXChris]

Which young players did he hate playing?

All of them. Butler didn't get time until season 3 and only after Deng was hurt. I refused to play Snell and many feel it stunted his growth and every time McDermott missed a couple of shots last year, he yanked him and sat him for the next game. He was like Whiz in that rookies need to sit and earn time instead of letting them learn and grow on the court. That is why is played Noah, Deng and Rose in to the ground. All players are a shell of their former selves.

 

[FArting]

Brooks agrees with Wizards for 5 year deal worth 35 million

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...grees-terms-washington-wizards-new-head-coach

 

[Mainstreet]

Brooks agrees with Wizards for 5 year deal worth 35 million

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...grees-terms-washington-wizards-new-head-coach

The Wizards still have the Durant dream alive. I can't wait to find out what the Suns are paying Earl Watson. I can only hope the Suns considered Brooks. I believe the Suns paid Hornacek in the order of $2 million per season for three years. It's hard to believe the Suns would cough up Brook's current salary no matter if McDonough says money was not a factor.

 

[GatorAZ]

All of them. Butler didn't get time until season 3 and only after Deng was hurt. I refused to play Snell and many feel it stunted his growth and every time McDermott missed a couple of shots last year, he yanked him and sat him for the next game. He was like Whiz in that rookies need to sit and earn time instead of letting them learn and grow on the court. That is why is played Noah, Deng and Rose in to the ground. All players are a shell of their former selves.

So he's gonna play KG over Towns?

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not lamenting missing out on Brooks. In OKC and their offense was basically "give it to Westbrook or Durant and hope something good happens". He had, arguably, 2 of the top 5 players in the league, plus some really strong role players and they ran this vanilla/iso boring play style, basically leaning heavily on their superstars to drag them around.

He also had a really troubling infatuation with some players that were absolutely travesties, so washed up their sweat was brackish. Most notably Kendrick Perkins, who had an impressive 4 year run as one of the worst regular players in the entire league, sporting such dreadful +,- splits one might think he was trying to throw games. Playing a guy like that for a full season is pretty bad, 2 years is negligent, Brooks somehow kept running him out there for 4 seasons.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not lamenting missing out on Brooks. In OKC and their offense was basically "give it to Westbrook or Durant and hope something good happens". He had, arguably, 2 of the top 5 players in the league, plus some really strong role players and they ran this vanilla/iso boring play style, basically leaning heavily on their superstars to drag them around.

He also had a really troubling infatuation with some players that were absolutely travesties, so washed up their sweat was brackish. Most notably Kendrick Perkins, who had an impressive 4 year run as one of the worst regular players in the entire league, sporting such dreadful +,- splits one might think he was trying to throw games. Playing a guy like that for a full season is pretty bad, 2 years is negligent, Brooks somehow kept running him out there for 4 seasons.

It goes beyond that! Remember that they traded Harden instead of using the amnesty provision on Perkins so they could extend Harden. I am not sure if Brooks or Presti are to blame for that one, but I am assuming Brooks shares some responsibility there.

 

[PDXChris]

So he's gonna play KG over Towns?

Obviously that won't be the case since Towns has already established himself, but I guarantee who ever they pick this year will see little time so they can get a extra win or 2. I also expect to see regression from Zach LaVine due to his style of play.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bahahaha Lord please make this happen.

I still like Horny as a person. I would not wish this on him. I would wish it on Markieff.

 

[Phrazbit]

It goes beyond that! Remember that they traded Harden instead of using the amnesty provision on Perkins so they could extend Harden. I am not sure if Brooks or Presti are to blame for that one, but I am assuming Brooks shares some responsibility there.

And to make matters worse with the soaring cap they would've only been in the luxury tax buy a small amount and for only one year.

I will lay the blame for that on Presti though. However, if Brooks had done what he should have and glued Perkins to the bench it would've made Presti's decision a lot easier.

 

[Russ Smith]

Obviously that won't be the case since Towns has already established himself, but I guarantee who ever they pick this year will see little time so they can get a extra win or 2. I also expect to see regression from Zach LaVine due to his style of play.

Yeah I don't see how Zach and Bazz are going to play for Thibs. Especially Bazz, if you don't play defense he doesn't play you.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah I don't see how Zach and Bazz are going to play for Thibs. Especially Bazz, if you don't play defense he doesn't play you.

There were rumors awhile back the Suns were interested in trading for Shabazz Muhammad. I think he would be a good fit and he would solidify the SF position. However, if Bogdan comes over this may decrease the Suns interest. I think Bogdan would be thrust into playing some SF to get enough minutes.

 

[Sunburn]

Isaiah Thomas is playing very, very well........sigh. Needed to give up Goran, yes. Didn't need to give up Thomas. Certainly, didn't need to give up the Laker's pick to get Thomas' replacement. I thought up to that point McD had done an incredible job. However, that move was so bad it destroyed all the good will I felt he earned prior. The most awful move I can think of since I've been a Suns fan. Kerr trading KT along with 2 firsts was terrible, but that was forced. Can anyone think of a worse move?

 

[leclerc]

A starting back court of Thomas and Bledsoe would have been tiny. Do you think it would have worked? Who played the other positions at that time?

I agree Thomas and Lakers pick for Knight is much. Can't remember if other pieces were involved?

 

[Phrazbit]

We got Knight for the Lakers pick, Thomas was traded for a draft pick (the Cavs pick this year) and Thornton. It wasn't a good trade but I don't really regret letting Thomas go, it is the lack of a better return that is now the bummer, but that requires some real hindsight. Prior to the trade there were certainly some speculating that the Suns would have to pair Thomas with another asset just to give him away. Guys with iffy reputations being traded by a team only months after signing with them don't tend to get good value.

IMO there were plenty of worse trades in our history. KT and picks for nothing, Majerle for Hot Rod, the pick that would have been Iggy or Deng for basically cap space, Kidd for Marbury... that is off the top of my head and dating only as far back as I was emotionally there to suffer through. I was too young for the Dennis Johnson trade, which arguably beats all those.

Moral of the story, the Thomas trade does not haunt me... but the knee jerk acquisition of Knight to fill the void created by shipping Dragic and Thomas, that one is the one that stings.

 

[Sunburn]

We got Knight for the Lakers pick, Thomas was traded for a draft pick (the Cavs pick this year) and Thornton. It wasn't a good trade but I don't really regret letting Thomas go, it is the lack of a better return that is now the bummer, but that requires some real hindsight. Prior to the trade there were certainly some speculating that the Suns would have to pair Thomas with another asset just to give him away. Guys with iffy reputations being traded by a team only months after signing with them don't tend to get good value.

IMO there were plenty of worse trades in our history. KT and picks for nothing, Majerle for Hot Rod, the pick that would have been Iggy or Deng for basically cap space, Kidd for Marbury... that is off the top of my head and dating only as far back as I was emotionally there to suffer through. I was too young for the Dennis Johnson trade, which arguably beats all those.

Moral of the story, the Thomas trade does not haunt me... but the knee jerk acquisition of Knight to fill the void created by shipping Dragic and Thomas, that one is the one that stings.

Yes, all those were bad. I'm including the transaction that traded the Lakers' pick for Knight as a part of the move. As I said in my previous post, KT and picks was terrible. This would be my obvious selection as worst move ever had Kerr voluntarily made it. However, it was a forced trade by our owner. Kerr is on record as saying he didn't want to do it. As far as I know, Sarver was not forcing McD's hand, which means McD voluntarily made his decision, thinking it was a good idea. Kidd for Marbury was bad, but at the time Kidd was a public relations nightmare following his domestic violence situation, and at least we received an all-star for an all-star. Majerle's career was winding down by the time we traded him for Hot Rod. He was used as a reserve by Cleveland that year and they did not re-sign him the following season. He then signed with Miami where he was also used as a reserve. Hot Rod at least played 3 seasons for us after the trade. As far as the Thomas and Lakers pick, we gave up young, all-star level talent in Thomas (on a fantastic contract) in exchange for a late round pick. Huge loss in value. Though, we don't know what the Lakers pick will amount to, just the rights to the pick alone is a highly valuable commodity. In my opinion, much more valuable than Knight. Another huge loss. These two considerations combined make this the worst (voluntary) move that I can think of, imo.

Btw, I have enjoyed our engagements as of late. You are an excellent poster.

 

[Sunburn]

A starting back court of Thomas and Bledsoe would have been tiny.

Boston's primary guard rotation is faring well despite lacking length. Along with 5'9" Thomas, Avery Bradley is 6'2" and Marcus Smart is 6'4". On paper, a guard rotation of Thomas, Bledsoe (6'1"), and Booker (6'6") certainly seems intriguing.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Kerr is on record as saying he didn't want to do it.

I haven't seen this, can you provide a link or a quote? I thought he admitted it was a bad trade but I've never seen him suggest that Sarver directed that deal. To my recollection, Sarver instructed him to reduce salaries, Kerr chose the way to do it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Boston's primary guard rotation is faring well despite lacking length. Along with 5'9" Thomas, Avery Bradley is 6'2" and Marcus Smart is 6'4". On paper, a guard rotation of Thomas, Bledsoe (6'1"), and Booker (6'6") certainly seems intriguing.

I agree. We made a mistake trading Thomas. I just have a problem with all the second guessing though as most here were much in favor of shipping him off as quickly as possible. Few (no one?) liked the Knight deal much but there was no handwringing over the idea of moving IT.