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it amuses me that my "negativity" (or reality as it were) bothers you so much you mention it TWICE in one post!

I won't even begin to go into detail why Markieff is nowhere near all the guys you listed above because it's too ridiculous to even make the comparison. But the Jamison "was a similar player" to Markieff because "he wasn't even a starter for Dallas" pretty much sums up your complete break from reality because it completely ignores that Jamison was ONLY on the bench because the Mavs LOADED up on every star they could get the season they got Jamison, who had already proven to be a guy who was coming off 4 seasons averaging 22 ppg and 8 rebounds as a starter as opposed to Markieff 16/5.

but hey... i guess that's just me being negative again!

Markieff is averaging 6.2 rpg and consistently ranked highly as far as underrated players go and consistently praised by opposing teams.

Good try hater.

Jamison in dallas averaged 14.8 6.3 0.9 29mpg
Markieff averaged 15.3 6.2 2.3 31mpg in his first season as a starter.

Markieff Morris is an excellent player but who the f cares what you think.
 

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Markieff is averaging 6.2 rpg and consistently ranked highly as far as underrated players go and consistently praised by opposing teams.

Good try hater.

Jamison in dallas averaged 14.8 6.3 0.9 29mpg
Markieff averaged 15.3 6.2 2.3 31mpg in his first season as a starter.

Markieff Morris is an excellent player but who the f cares what you think.

Apparently you care very much not only mention me repeatedly but also now responding with increased anger in successive posts.

And way to go completely ignoring Jamison's career and his role in the Mavs... As usual.
 
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IF WCS is an "artist" personality, like someone said here, I would be very careful. All I can think of when I hear that is Bison Dele, Michael Beasley, and Larry Sanders. I don't thinks fans will ever get that picture for sure from web sites etc. It will manifest itself in interviews.

So, I am all for WCS, unless the interviews show red flag personality quirks.
 
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artist mentality is such a dumb term..

As if all artists are care-free lazy daydreamers..

WCS was a top wide receiver prospect too. And I am sure there are many "artist" mentality guys in the NBA that are very successful.
Stephen Curry might be one.
 

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Danny Ainge says he wants to move up into the lottery. You know he is going to talk to McD.
 

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We have the 2nd last pick in the lottery, I am pretty sure that Ainge wants to move in the top 7 or top 10 at least...


It's not easy to move up. McD is his student and has openly talked about trading out of this draft.
 

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It looks like the Suns are content to draft at #13 unless another team makes a trade offer that blows them away. See link to the Paul Coro article dated 6-11-15 at azcentral.

Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough is optimistic about taking a player at No. 13 from one of those two groups.

"We're very comfortable staying there and picking there," McDonough said. "It would have to take a really good offer for us to move the pick. I think it's unlikely we'll add an additional first-round pick this year or drop down in the draft. We'll take those calls if they come to us but we're comfortable with where we are at 13. We like the pool of players we think will be there."

McDonough said the Suns interviewed each prospect who "realistically" could be at No. 13 in Chicago, where the medical- and athletic-training staffs also examined players. That is key with Turner, whose awkward running style prompted concerns about his knees and a detailed hospital report delivered to all teams.

The comment that the Suns only interviewed each prospect who "realistically" could be available made me shutter. It brings back memories of William Bedford and Karl Malone. If I recall correctly, the Suns did not interview either.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...oenix-suns-ryan-mcdonough-nba-draft/71096626/
 

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The Suns had been trying to get Myles Turner in for a workout so I'm glad he visited today.

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro 50m50 minutes ago

Texas power forward Myles Turner, the main No. 13 prospect who hadn't visited the Suns, is in Phoenix for an unannounced Suns visit today.

https://twitter.com/paulcoro
 

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so what are the positives/negatives on Turner?
 

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so what are the positives/negatives on Turner?

Huge upside on Myles Turner as he is almost 7' in shoes and has a 7'4" wingspan. However, he has been knocked for his awkward running style. Lately he has improved his running and it appears it is not anything that can't be fixed.
 

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Huge upside on Myles Turner as he is almost 7' in shoes and has a 7'4" wingspan. However, he has been knocked for his awkward running style. Lately he has improved his running and it appears it is not anything that can't be fixed.

It's not so much his style it's the way it impacts his body. Simply put he's a major leg injury waiting to happen if he doesn't fix that. When John Lucas was coaching him he was asked what skill sets he was working on and he said forget that, we spend lots of time every day teaching him how to run, to bend his knees etc. They were also apparently convinced most of the back issues he had (sore back) were 100% related to how he runs.

He's improved but he still runs like Forrest before the braces came off and that's what is scary to teams. He could be a very good player, he could be Greg Oden part 2.
 

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More on Turner.

"Turner’s running has been a cause for concern for draft evaluators, leaving many wondering if it will cause long-term effects on his knees.

“His awkward running style, might not change anytime soon, though,” Draft Express notes in their breakdown of Turner. “[He] noticeably lumbers getting up and down the floor, and only made five field goals (out of 13 attempts) all season in transition situations, according to Synergy Sports Technology.”

Given the concerns of his running style, Turner and his team of advisors (his agent Andy Miller, his father, and his trainer Ken Roberson) opted to stay ahead of the issue and go through extensive tests and evaluations at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York. The idea behind the tests was to show that Turner is 100 percent healthy and just needs to work on mechanics to improve his running and lateral quickness.

The results showed exactly that. The 27-page report revealed that Turner is fine, but suffers from weakness in his left and right gluteus medius muscles, which are located inside the hip and help control balance. Fortunately for Turner, this issue can be corrected with various exercises and workouts. The findings of this report were sent to all 30 teams in the NBA, including those workouts that can be done to correct the problem."

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/myles-turner-ready-to-put-mechanic-issues-to-rest/
 

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Huge upside on Myles Turner as he is almost 7' in shoes and has a 7'4" wingspan. However, he has been knocked for his awkward running style. Lately he has improved his running and it appears it is not anything that can't be fixed.


Turner has huge upside. He has good offensive and defensive skills. He can shoot the three. The only knock on him has been his odd way of running. It that can be fixed it would have the potential of making almost all of his game better. He would be a top 5 player in this draft. Great player to pick up at 13, especially with the Suns training staff.
 

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He is 18, he has great size and good skills, good touch and he interviewed extremely well.

LaMarcus Aldridge might be an unrealistic best case but Turner is a solid pick. I think it is certain that Turner will be productive in some role even if he is not a star.

Probably more of a center than a PF unfortunately unless he fixes his mobility issues.
He is not explosive but he is not a bad athlete.

I also think the comments of him running like Forest Gump are way overblown.
 
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He is 18, he has great size and good skills, good touch and he interviewed extremely well.

LaMarcus Aldridge might be an unrealistic best case but Turner is a solid pick. I think it is certain that Turner will be productive in some role even if he is not a star.

Probably more of a center than a PF unfortunately unless he fixes his mobility issues.
He is not explosive but he is not a bad athlete.

I also think the comments of him running like Forest Gump are way overblown.

That was a quote from John Lucas, who worked for a couple of summers on training him. He said people would ask what sort of drills they were working on and he'd tell them right now we're teaching the kid how to run, he runs like Forrest Gump before the braces came off.

He's apparently improved since then but Lucas was extremely concerned that Turner was going to have a very short career because of that.

At 13 he's not a bad pick because the upside is worth the risk. If you take him much higher it's a huge gamble because he might have a very short career.
 
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After watching some old games and a few YouTube videos. My pick would be Myles Turner, I just hope his stock hasn't gone to far up. I see him more of a Garnett type, than Aldridge.

https://youtu.be/HV6jwAbXYzQ

Plus after looking at more tape on Kaminsky I would stay far away, it will be very hard for him to get separation to get that shot off in the NBA.
 

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My four are
- Turner
- Kaminsky
- Looney
- Portis


But the more I watch Turner and his workout, I'd trade up a couple of spots to get him. 6'11, 7'4 wingspan, 9'1.5 standing reach, 3pt range, smooth post game. Play according to his strengths and you can have a VERY productive player.

Teach him to rebound and dish out outlet passes and that fixes a big issue with his running. In a half court he stretches the defense and defensively, he protects the rim and alters shots.

18 years old...
 

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My four are
- Turner
- Kaminsky
- Looney
- Portis


But the more I watch Turner and his workout, I'd trade up a couple of spots to get him. 6'11, 7'4 wingspan, 9'1.5 standing reach, 3pt range, smooth post game. Play according to his strengths and you can have a VERY productive player.

Teach him to rebound and dish out outlet passes and that fixes a big issue with his running. In a half court he stretches the defense and defensively, he protects the rim and alters shots.

18 years old...

Turner is one of the longest players in the draft. Standing reach is a player's effective NBA height. In fact, if they are shorter, but have longer arms, simple geometry says they can cover more space than the taller player with shorter arms. They can reach lower and wider as well as reaching as high.

Of course, that is just one aspect of effectiveness.
 

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Draftexpress dropped Willie Cauley-Stein all the way to #11 today.

Something about his medical history.

Stanley Johnson also has some questionmarks about his background.

Givony quoted one GM saying he has never seen so many top guys in the draft with red flags.
 
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