2016 NBA Draft thread

[3rdside]

I'm still reeling from seeing the guys PER; 14.8.

So bad.

Whatever kudos mcd gets for Booker and Len, the knight trade will not be easily forgotten.


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[AzStevenCal]

I'm still reeling from seeing the guys PER; 14.8.

So bad.

Whatever kudos mcd gets for Booker and Len, the knight trade will not be easily forgotten.

He and Bledsoe were both well into the 20's early in the season and they both fell off when the team problems became obvious league-wide. It was just Eric's injury that kept his PER respectable IMO .

Knight's PER was 18.5 for his final half-season in Milwaukee where he was supported by NBA caliber players. And he had raised his PER each year until he landed in Phoenix. So fix what's gone wrong for him in Phoenix and then either use him as a 6th man or trade him once his value rises.

 

[Errntknght]

Damantas Sabonis (19 pts 10 rebs) vs. Jakob Poetl (5 pts 4 rbs) and the win Zag 82-59. Sweet 16 for Zags. Say what you want about Sabonis, he keeps doing it over and over and over again. Double double every night. Sophomore. Not too old. Advanced game.

Wiz pick.

There are a good number of bigs with potential in the middle and later in the first round. Domantas would be my choice with Wiz pick, too... he's just my cup of tea - good IQ, strong and a first rate rebounder.

 

[Errntknght]

Damantas Sabonis (19 pts 10 rebs) vs. Jakob Poetl (5 pts 4 rbs) and the win Zag 82-59. Sweet 16 for Zags. Say what you want about Sabonis, he keeps doing it over and over and over again. Double double every night. Sophomore. Not too old. Advanced game.

Wiz pick.

There are a good number of bigs with potential in the middle and later in the first round. Domantas would be my choice with Wiz pick, too... he's just my cup of tea - high IQ, strong and a first rate rebounder.

Ooooops,,, double post... sorry

 

[slinslin]

Jakob Poetl is not good, surprise.

 

[3rdside]

He and Bledsoe were both well into the 20's early in the season and they both fell off when the team problems became obvious league-wide. It was just Eric's injury that kept his PER respectable IMO .



Knight's PER was 18.5 for his final half-season in Milwaukee where he was supported by NBA caliber players. And he had raised his PER each year until he landed in Phoenix. So fix what's gone wrong for him in Phoenix and then either use him as a 6th man or trade him once his value rises.

Fair enough - as sixth man is about the only place I would want to see him but he still continues to set new benchmarks of incompetence imo, to say nothing about the impact on Booker etc.


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[leclerc]

Sabonis, yes please. I want Knight gone. He'll disrupt the play as a sub as well as a starter (when Bledsoe misses games). Looking forward to next year! Keeping my expectations low with regards to the draft. Got faith that McD makes the right pick(s). Quief who?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Buddy Hield looked amazing vs VCU. They played him so tight, but he just made the most of every opportunity.

Is there a bias against seniors in the NBA draft?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Buddy Hield looked amazing vs VCU. They played him so tight, but he just made the most of every opportunity.

Is there a bias against seniors in the NBA draft?

Simply put, yes. There has been a clear cut bias against upperclassmen since the NBA created the one and done movement. It takes a lot to overcome that bias come draft night.

 

[leclerc]

Worked out for CJ McCollum in 2013. Can Buddy Hield compare?

 

[sunsfan88]

If we didn't have Booker, I'd really be interested. In fact, if Booker could play PG, I would draft Hield. Could you imagine that back court offensively? They would be in the same league as Curry/Thompson.

No they wouldn't. And I think Booker plays better and more efficient as a 2 guard so would rather him stay there quite honestly.

 

[sunsfan88]

If Buddy Hield is the BPA available when we pick, take him. Don't look back. Trade Archie and Knight for what you can get.

And Hield is what, 6th man?

This is similar to what the Suns did in signing IT when they had Dragic and Bledsoe. They signed the "BPA" available and you know how that turned out.

I like Hield as a prospect but I don't want him on the Suns. You don't draft a player top 3 to be a bench player. You have to consider fit, you can't just keep bringing in players with similar skill and at the same position over and over again.

Suns need to look at forwards. Only way the Suns should consider a guard with their top pick is if a deal is already in place for Bledsoe AND Knight prior to the draft.

 

[slinslin]

No matter how well Hield is playing you don't take a senior with limited athletic ability that high.

Also Lillard was a junior at a small college and probably simply under the radar.

The success rate of seniors is like 15%.

 

[slinslin]

Buddy Hield looked amazing vs VCU. They played him so tight, but he just made the most of every opportunity.

Is there a bias against seniors in the NBA draft?

It is not called bias when it is proven fact.

In the last 6 years there were 29 4-year players in the draft and only 4 of them turned out good. That is McCollum, Lillard, Faried and Butler. With the exception of Butler who was a juco transfers after his freshman season they all played for small colleges.

This is something I worry about with Dunn as well but at least Dunn is a pretty good athlete.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And Hield is what, 6th man?

This is similar to what the Suns did in signing IT when they had Dragic and Bledsoe. They signed the "BPA" available and you know how that turned out.

I like Hield as a prospect but I don't want him on the Suns. You don't draft a player top 3 to be a bench player. You have to consider fit, you can't just keep bringing in players with similar skill and at the same position over and over again.

Suns need to look at forwards. Only way the Suns should consider a guard with their top pick is if a deal is already in place for Bledsoe AND Knight prior to the draft.

When you have a top 5 pick, and a player is clearly the BPA, you have to take him. Now if you have players that are close, certainly take the one you can better develop.

Don't pass on Michael Jordan because you already have Clyde Drexler.

I am not evaluating Hield yet, I am just advocating a drafting principle.

 

[overseascardfan]

No they wouldn't. And I think Booker plays better and more efficient as a 2 guard so would rather him stay there quite honestly.

Both are great shooters who can score in bunches is what I meant when I said they could be in the same class as Thompson & Curry. Also, I said if Booker could play PG, not he should. But having those 2 on the floor at the same time regardless of position would be interesting to watch.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sabonis, yes please. I want Knight gone. He'll disrupt the play as a sub as well as a starter (when Bledsoe misses games). Looking forward to next year! Keeping my expectations low with regards to the draft. Got faith that McD makes the right pick(s). Quief who?

I don't think Knight is a problem if the Suns realize he is primarily a SG and play him accordingly. Of course the Suns would have to get a pass first PG to play behind Bledsoe. My concern regarding Knight is the Suns do not seem to realize his limitations. When Booker takes on ball handling duties with Knight as a SG it seems to work. So I think keeping Knight would work if the Suns add a pass first PG when Bledsoe is not in the lineup.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't think Knight is a problem if the Suns realize he is primarily a SG and play him accordingly. Of course the Suns would have to get a pass first PG to play behind Bledsoe. My concern regarding Knight is the Suns do not seem to realize his limitations. When Booker takes on ball handling duties with Knight as a SG it seems to work. So I think keeping Knight would work if the Suns add a pass first PG when Bledsoe is not in the lineup.

The combinations would have to look like this, its the only solution if we keep Knight. I don't think a pass first backup is the answer unless he is a really good player. A three guard rotation is the key. If we can find a better option in that rotation than Knight (through draft, trade, or free agency) go for it.

Bledsoe pg, Booker sg
Bledsoe pg, Knight sg
Booker pg, Knight sg

Contrary to what most think, Knight still has very decent trade value in this league. He can score in bunches. He is incredibly fast. He is still young. And his contract will not look nearly as bad as salaries continue to rise. I know it sounds intelligent to call people who believe this deluded homers. But there were those who said we would have to give up assets to trade Kieff. The rest of us said he had value.

 

[sunsfan88]

When you have a top 5 pick, and a player is clearly the BPA, you have to take him. Now if you have players that are close, certainly take the one you can better develop.

Don't pass on Michael Jordan because you already have Clyde Drexler.

I am not evaluating Hield yet, I am just advocating a drafting principle.

If there was a sure fire 2 guard prospect, then sure. But there isn't.

If there's a guard that's a slightly better prospect than the best forward that's available then you still take best forward.

 

[Mainstreet]

The combinations would have to look like this, its the only solution if we keep Knight. I don't think a pass first backup is the answer unless he is a really good player. A three guard rotation is the key. If we can find a better option in that rotation than Knight (through draft, trade, or free agency) go for it.

Bledsoe pg, Booker sg
Bledsoe pg, Knight sg
Booker pg, Knight sg

Contrary to what most think, Knight still has very decent trade value in this league. He can score in bunches. He is incredibly fast. He is still young. And his contract will not look nearly as bad as salaries continue to rise. I know it sounds intelligent to call people who believe this deluded homers. But there were those who said we would have to give up assets to trade Kieff. The rest of us said he had value.

I like your rotations. This is the way it would likely look.

I do think Knight is a good player and he has good trade value if another team is looking for a SG or a team (not named the Suns) that wants to fully commit to playing him as a PG. I would like to keep Knight if he would accept being the third guard off the bench.

Let me put my thoughts another way about adding a pass first PG. He would take Price's role. IMO, at best, Price is a third PG on the Suns roster.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Contrary to what most think, Knight still has very decent trade value in this league.

why do you believe a guy who has bombed out of 3 places and is saddled with a 70 million dollar contract has very decent trade value?

 

[JCSunsfan]

why do you believe a guy who has bombed out of 3 places and is saddled with a 70 million dollar contract has very decent trade value?

He hasn't bombed out of three places. He actually played very well for us early in the year when he played next to Bledsoe. He is just not a pg. He is an effective 2. We have a starting 2 in Booker which makes Knight redundant unless he comes off the bench. He might be more willing to come off the bench with a playoff level team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And Hield is what, 6th man?

This is similar to what the Suns did in signing IT when they had Dragic and Bledsoe. They signed the "BPA" available and you know how that turned out.

I like Hield as a prospect but I don't want him on the Suns. You don't draft a player top 3 to be a bench player. You have to consider fit, you can't just keep bringing in players with similar skill and at the same position over and over again.

Suns need to look at forwards. Only way the Suns should consider a guard with their top pick is if a deal is already in place for Bledsoe AND Knight prior to the draft.

Wrong you always draft best player. This isn't the NFL. You need most talent possible. That player becomes a commodity. Recall the cavs drafting KJ when they already had price? It was a great luxury when they were able to turn that talent into Larry nance, the big they needed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wrong you always draft best player. This isn't the NFL. You need most talent possible. That player becomes a commodity. Recall the cavs drafting KJ when they already had price? It was a great luxury when they were able to turn that talent into Larry nance, the big they needed.

I am kind of between the two of you. I think you draft the best player when he is clearly the best player. When they are close, draft for need. It is a great hardship not to be able to develop a player you draft. I think many good players' careers have been scuttled early because they were such a poor fit on their team.

It might be better to trade the pick if you end up at #5 and there is no one you really want or need.

That said, the Warrior had Jamal Crawford and Monta Ellis on the roster when they drafted Curry. When Curry came out, he was projected to be a 6-3 combo guard, just like Ellis. They took him anyway.

 

[SirStefan32]

I trust McD to pick the right players. Average draft spot for out "young big three" (Booker, Len, Warren) was 10.6. We'll likely have #4 and a #12- one of them ahead of where Len was picked, and the other one before where Booker and Warren were picked.

I want a young big who can play 4 and 5, and another shooter, preferably a big SG/SF. I'd love a real PG, but there isn't one in this draft. Dunn looks like an Eric Bledsoe clone. I don't see how he becomes better than Bledsoe.