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I really like Mike Tobey....maybe we could use a second round pick on him?

I can't find him on the main two draft boards. The Suns second round pick is early so there might be better prospects available with this selection. However, I have not watched Tobey play so I can't really comment. Anything you want to share about him?

I found this on Draft Express.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mike-Tobey-58740/
 

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I can't find him on the main two draft boards. The Suns second round pick is early so there might be better prospects available with this selection. However, I have not watched Tobey play so I can't really comment. Anything you want to share about him?

I found this on Draft Express.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mike-Tobey-58740/
Solid back up big man..efficient player...the game that stick out to me is his 20 rebound game.
 
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Maybe Buddy Hield can go #3. He is consistently super good, great shooter. (of course poor fit on the Suns however)

Little scared of how he will translate to the NBA and the NBA 3pt range.

Have concerns how Sabonis translates too. He is so limited athletically. He could be the next Tyler Hansborough.
 
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Maybe Buddy Hield can go #3. He is consistently super good, great shooter. (of course poor fit on the Suns however)

Little scared of how he will translate to the NBA and the NBA 3pt range.

Have concerns how Sabonis translates too. He is so limited athletically. He could be the next Tyler Hansborough.

The Suns should go BPA. If it's Hield, so be it.

I have a friend who focused on NCAA basketball all season and the primary player he talks about is Hield. I will consider that as endorsement as he is fairly knowledgeable.
 

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Maybe Buddy Hield can go #3. He is consistently super good, great shooter. (of course poor fit on the Suns however)

Little scared of how he will translate to the NBA and the NBA 3pt range.

Have concerns how Sabonis translates too. He is so limited athletically. He could be the next Tyler Hansborough.

As far as Hield goes, you can never have too many shooters. We have him locked in for four years- develop him, play him as Booker's backup, or even pair him up with Booker in a smaller lineup. Booker can play SF for a few minutes per game. If he turns into a solid player, trade him at some point in the next four years.

As far as Sabonis goes, of course his skills will translate. He is not any less athletic and explosive at 4/5 than Booker is at 2. He is big enough to play in the NBA, and basketball IQ and rebounding translate from college into the NBA very well. There is more to basketball than being able to jump like a young Shawn Marion. He is grabbing 12 rebound per game, scoring 17 points on 60%+ shooting, including 38% from behind the line, though the sample is extremely small.

Nice thing about these two guys is that they would be able to contribute immediately.
 

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The Suns should go BPA. If it's Hield, so be it.

I have a friend who focused on NCAA basketball all season and the primary player he talks about is Hield. I will consider that as endorsement as he is fairly knowledgeable.

I couldn't agree more.
 
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Hield has no other skills though, I would not pick him considering he is a senior, is a shooting guard (Booker, Knight, Goodwin, Jenkins, Bodgan) and only does one thing exceptionally well.

I don't think the Jodie Meeks comparisons are that crazy.

Maybe the Suns could think that Bookers ballhandling and playmaking is good enough to pair him with another shooter. Hield is only like 6'4.

The all-Senior draft

#3 Hield
#13 Valentine
#28 Prince
#33 Johnson or Payton II
 
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Hield has no other skills though, I would not pick him considering he is a senior, is a shooting guard (Booker, Knight, Goodwin, Jenkins, Bodgan) and only does one thing exceptionally well.

I don't think the Jodie Meeks comparisons are that crazy.

Maybe the Suns could think that Bookers ballhandling and playmaking is good enough to pair him with another shooter. Hield is only like 6'4.

OK, so first off, you can't count Jenkins. He is a scrub who is simply not a rotation player in the league. Goodwin is not good enough to be a valid reason to not pick a shooting guard. Goodwin hasn't been able to accomplish anything since he was drafted. Heild, right now is three times the player Archie will ever be. Bogdan is an unknown. I am a big fan, but we simply don't know when he will be here and how well he will play in the NBA.

That leaves Booker and Knight as the only two legitimate NBA-caliber shooting guards. My guess is that Knight is going to be shopped aggressively this summer and beyond. There is plenty of room for a shooter on this team.

I would also strongly disagree with you about Hield only being able to shoot. He's able to handle the ball, pass the ball, and create for himself and others. He gets to the line almost six times per game. Jump-shooters don't get to the line like that. He gets to the rim just fine and finishes well. He is also an adequate defender, and while is is somewhat undersized, he does have good wingspan.

I am not sure why being a senior is a disadvantage. He's improved in every category every year, and he would be able to contribute immediately. That's an advantage, not a disadvantage.

Note that I am not necessarily advocating drafting him at #3. I trust McD to pick the right players.
 

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As far as Hield goes, you can never have too many shooters. We have him locked in for four years- develop him, play him as Booker's backup, or even pair him up with Booker in a smaller lineup. Booker can play SF for a few minutes per game. If he turns into a solid player, trade him at some point in the next four years.

As far as Sabonis goes, of course his skills will translate. He is not any less athletic and explosive at 4/5 than Booker is at 2. He is big enough to play in the NBA, and basketball IQ and rebounding translate from college into the NBA very well. There is more to basketball than being able to jump like a young Shawn Marion. He is grabbing 12 rebound per game, scoring 17 points on 60%+ shooting, including 38% from behind the line, though the sample is extremely small.

Nice thing about these two guys is that they would be able to contribute immediately.

I totally agree. Can you imagine coming away from the draft with those two guys? I would love it.
 

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Me too. I am skeptical about Sabonis being available with our second pick though. I think he will end up in top-ten.
 
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Sabonis is far less athletic than Booker relative to the position.

And banking on Sabonis to contribute immediately is a massive reach. A lot of his opportunistic scoring in the NCAA won't translate into the NBA and he gets almost zero lift on his jumpshot or in general. He also plays more of a centers game.

We have seen players like Sabonis failing to translate many times. Tyler Hansborough, Cody Zeller to name 2.
 
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Me too. I am skeptical about Sabonis being available with our second pick though. I think he will end up in top-ten.

So, would a package of the #12-13 pick, Archie, and the #28 pick net an #8-9 pick in this draft to take Sabonis? Its not like we would be trying to move up into the top 2.

Would Denver or Toronto bite?

Maybe even target the Pels pick. They need decent bodies for next year. I could see them interested in Archie, and even BK. All they have under contract is;

Pg--Holiday
Sg--Tyreke
Sf--Cunningham, Pondexter, Gee
Pf--AD, Babbit
C--Asik, Ajinca
 
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Sabonis is not worth a top 10 pick, that would be a horrible move by the Suns. There are 4-5 better power forward prospects in the draft at least. Sabonis is completely flat footed and lives around the rim. He is a 6'10 backup center in the NBA.

Simmons
Chriss
Ellenson
Rabb
Davis

Draftexpress has Sabonis at #19...
 
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Sabonis is not worth a top 10 pick, that would be a horrible move by the Suns. There are 4-5 better power forward prospects in the draft at least. Sabonis is completely flat footed and lives around the rim. He is a 6'10 backup center in the NBA.

Simmons
Chriss
Ellenson
Rabb
Davis

Draftexpress has Sabonis at #19...

We will see. You might be right, but I have a hunch his stock will go up quickly around draft time. I would take Simmons and Chriss over him, but not the other three.
 

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So, would a package of the #12-13 pick, Archie, and the #28 pick net an #8-9 pick in this draft to take Sabonis? Its not like we would be trying to move up into the top 2.

Would Denver or Toronto bite?

Maybe even target the Pels pick. They need decent bodies for next year. I could see them interested in Archie, and even BK. All they have under contract is;

Pg--Holiday
Sg--Tyreke
Sf--Cunningham, Pondexter, Gee
Pf--AD, Babbit
C--Asik, Ajinca

They have a lot of assets to play with. I am guessing that Washington and Cleveland picks along with a minor player would do the trick. Moving from #12 to 8 is easier than from 12 to 3.
 

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Nbadraft.net has us picking Buddy Hield at #3. Thoughts? I know he put up 37 tonight on the Ducks, but pretty sloppy w/ 6 TO's. And I really don't want another guard at this point.
 

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Nbadraft.net has us picking Buddy Hield at #3. Thoughts? I know he put up 37 tonight on the Ducks, but pretty sloppy w/ 6 TO's. And I really don't want another guard at this point.

If you go back one page, there is some discussion about Hield. I think you have to draft the BPA, and Hield may very well be the BPA when the Suns pick.
 

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I think you have to draft the BPA, and Hield may very well be the BPA when the Suns pick.
I know that many ASFN'ers support the BPA approach. I am curious if your expectation is to lead to a trade vs. a Guard heavy team drafting more Guards.

I have always supported the balanced roster approach. Frontcourt/backcourt; offense/defense; rebounding/shooting/facilitating; big & tough/small & quick; veteran/young players; starters/backups/strength in reserve. Isn't that what it takes to aim for the top -- some day? Filling all the needs?
 

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I know that many ASFN'ers support the BPA approach. I am curious if your expectation is to lead to a trade vs. a Guard heavy team drafting more Guards.

I have always supported the balanced roster approach. Frontcourt/backcourt; offense/defense; rebounding/shooting/facilitating; big & tough/small & quick; veteran/young players; starters/backups/strength in reserve. Isn't that what it takes to aim for the top -- some day? Filling all the needs?

You plug holes through free agency and trades, you build up talent through the draft. When a team drafts based on "need" you're usually reaching, and there are precious few quality guys in the draft, a reach usually ends up being a bust.
 
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I am down for Hield if we end up third. Bring on the double SG backcourt.

Great shooting guards like Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Brandon Roy, Michael Jordan never needed a PG except on defense. In fact they were not at their best with a dominant PG. Kobe and Nash did not work, Kobe and Payton did not work, Penny and Kidd did not work.
 

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I know that many ASFN'ers support the BPA approach. I am curious if your expectation is to lead to a trade vs. a Guard heavy team drafting more Guards.

I have always supported the balanced roster approach. Frontcourt/backcourt; offense/defense; rebounding/shooting/facilitating; big & tough/small & quick; veteran/young players; starters/backups/strength in reserve. Isn't that what it takes to aim for the top -- some day? Filling all the needs?


You make a great point about building a balanced roster. I am in complete agreement with you about that strategy, though we may have some disagreements over tactics.

I think the Suns current roster has so many holes that they can't really be all that picky. Draft the BPA and then work through free agency and trades. If you look at our SG situation, it's actually pretty weak behind Booker. Knight is a terrible player- a chucker that can't really shoot well on consistent basis. Goodwin is just not a very good player. We don't know when and if Bogdan will be here and how he will do.

There isn't a game-changing PF in this draft, nor is there a real PG in this draft. Draft the BPA and look at trades and free agency to balance things out.
 
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