2016 NBA Draft thread

[BC867]

Here is an interesting article about how Ben Simmons, despite all of his skills, dropped out of sight in the final ten minutes of the LSU recent loss.

The sportswriter blames it on both Simmons and his LSU Coach.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...oy-to-set-up-game-winning-shot-002059539.html

 

[overseascardfan]

Here is an interesting article about how Ben Simmons, despite all of his skills, dropped out of sight in the final ten minutes of the LSU recent loss.

The sportswriter blames it on both Simmons and his LSU Coach.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...oy-to-set-up-game-winning-shot-002059539.html

I was watching college basketball on Fox today. The analysts today, (only recognized Steve Lavin) but all three agreed that Buddy Hield is the best player in college basketball and it hard to argue against that as he is more than just a scorer. But the interesting thing was that Lavin and Donny Marshall agreed that Kris Dunn is the second best player over Simmons who disappeared in the final 10 minutes of the OU game.

 

[Catlover]

I was watching college basketball on Fox today. The analysts today, (only recognized Steve Lavin) but all three agreed that Buddy Hield is the best player in college basketball and it hard to argue against that as he is more than just a scorer. But the interesting thing was that Lavin and Donny Marshall agreed that Kris Dunn is the second best player over Simmons who disappeared in the final 10 minutes of the OU game.

Yeah, well, Lavin is an idiot. He's probably right though if you're just talking who is better right now in the college game. If you're projecting them to the next level I don't think it's even close. The 19 year old big man is a much hotter prospect than the 22 year old guard.

 

[Russ Smith]

Too bad he has almost no athleticism.

His big games all came against very very weak competition.

If he goes top10 some team makes a mistake.


Simmons, Ingram, Rabb, Dunn, Brown, Bender, Poetl, Ellenson

Those eight have to be locks for top 10.

Brown is a very good college player but where does he fit in the NBA? he shoots 27% from the college 3 and that's not a fluke he takes about 3 a game.

he shoots 47% overall because he's tough in transition but NBA players won't get out of his way like college kids do. TO prone, not a great passer. Not nearly a good enough rebounder to play the 4 in the NBA so he has to play the 3.

Great athlete, he'll play in the NBA absolutely but I don't think he'll be a star without tons of improvement.

 

[Russ Smith]

Right now NBA Draft Net has us taking Ivan Rabb at #5. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we can't get any of the Big 3.

Russ, I know you mentioned Rabb has indicated he will stay in school at least 2 years but if he is projected to go in the Top 5 and his teammate Jaylon Brown declares will he decide to leave Cal? Is playing with Oscar Frayer that important to him?

not sure because there's apparently lots of rumors Frayer will reclassify and go to prepschool next year instead of Cal. if that's the case who knows.

The promise was to his mom he'd be at Cal 2 years to be near his younger brother. If the money is good enough he can move teh family out of their neighborhood maybe that doesn't matter.

 

[Russ Smith]

Here is an interesting article about how Ben Simmons, despite all of his skills, dropped out of sight in the final ten minutes of the LSU recent loss.

The sportswriter blames it on both Simmons and his LSU Coach.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...oy-to-set-up-game-winning-shot-002059539.html

The announcer flat out said Simmons is going to love the NBA where coaches will actually call plays for him.

Jones is in over his head as a coach.

 

[Catlover]

The announcer flat out said Simmons is going to love the NBA where coaches will actually call plays for him.

Jones is in over his head as a coach.

It's hard to believe they didn't even let him touch the ball down the stretch. That's on the coach and the point guard much more than it's on the freshman forward.

 

[slinslin]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--a-trio-of-7-footers-233346183.html

There will be plenty of draft and stash opportunities at 27 and 33.

 

[leclerc]

Do you have examples of draft and stash success stories, slin?

I can only think of our boy Milos...

 

[leclerc]

Looking at the top 10 players on nbadraft.net there are a couple of combo guards (Hield, Murray). We're kind of stacked at the guard for the moment. Let's say we get rid of Knight. Do we want to draft Hield or Murray (assuming we're drafting BPA)?

If we hang on to Goodwin maybe he can play SG/SF so the combo guard rookie can play PG and him and Goodwin can share PG duties? It's far from ideal. I naturally want one of the top two picks.

Is Bender (PF) good enough if we miss out? Or do we go for Dunn (PG), picking at #3 or #4?

Should we draft Ivan Rabb (PF), play him behind Hump and go for another tank job?

 

[leclerc]

Other PF options to Rabb are Labissiere (Amaré like athleticism) and Ellenson (comparisons to Kevin Love). I hope we get one of the three.

If we don't get top 2 do we pick Jaylen Brown? I think we should go BPA. Hopefully he can play SF next to Booker. Or do we get Hield to be our McCollum super sub?

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you have examples of draft and stash success stories, slin?

I can only think of our boy Milos...

Manu Ginobili and Marcin Gortat are just a couple. I'm sure there are many more.

 

[Errntknght]

I don't recall Marcin being stashed though you could say we stashed him with Orlando for three years - we sold them the draft pick they used to get him. One of D'Antoni's lesser known flubs...

 

[overseascardfan]

Looking at the top 10 players on nbadraft.net there are a couple of combo guards (Hield, Murray). We're kind of stacked at the guard for the moment. Let's say we get rid of Knight. Do we want to draft Hield or Murray (assuming we're drafting BPA)?

If we hang on to Goodwin maybe he can play SG/SF so the combo guard rookie can play PG and him and Goodwin can share PG duties? It's far from ideal. I naturally want one of the top two picks.

Is Bender (PF) good enough if we miss out? Or do we go for Dunn (PG), picking at #3 or #4?

Should we draft Ivan Rabb (PF), play him behind Hump and go for another tank job?

Other PF options to Rabb are Labissiere (Amaré like athleticism) and Ellenson (comparisons to Kevin Love). I hope we get one of the three.

If we don't get top 2 do we pick Jaylen Brown? I think we should go BPA. Hopefully he can play SF next to Booker. Or do we get Hield to be our McCollum super sub?

Assuming we get the WAS pick this year and let's say it ends up #12 (they just miss the playoffs), so here is what I would do in the following scenarios:

We land #1 pick:
Take Ben Simmons

#13 - Stephen Zimmerman - Neither Len nor Chandler can stay healthy. Zimmerman is a talented prospect.

#27 Taurean Prince - 3 & D player who will push Warren at the SF spot.

We land #2 pick:
Take Brandon Ingram

#13 - Henry Ellenson - Allows Ingram to play SF. Hard working, talented offensive player just needs to improve defense.

#27 - Taurean Prince

We pick after #2

If we take Dunn, we need to have a deal in place to trade either Bledsoe or Knight.

Not impressed with either Bender or Brown, would rather take Ivan Rabb based on his potential with additional weight and strength.

If Dunn, then draft Ellenson at #12. If Rabb, draft Zimmerman at #12. No real true PG's this year, late Round 1 guys: Trimble, Baldwin, Barber & Payton II are combo guards with flaws. Would rather draft a SF like Prince or draft and stash an international kid.

 

[Mainstreet]

Assuming we get the WAS pick this year and let's say it ends up #12 (they just miss the playoffs), so here is what I would do in the following scenarios:

We land #1 pick:
Take Ben Simmons

#13 - Stephen Zimmerman - Neither Len nor Chandler can stay healthy. Zimmerman is a talented prospect.

#27 Taurean Prince - 3 & D player who will push Warren at the SF spot.

We land #2 pick:
Take Brandon Ingram

#13 - Henry Ellenson - Allows Ingram to play SF. Hard working, talented offensive player just needs to improve defense.

#27 - Taurean Prince

We pick after #2

If we take Dunn, we need to have a deal in place to trade either Bledsoe or Knight.

Not impressed with either Bender or Brown, would rather take Ivan Rabb based on his potential with additional weight and strength.

If Dunn, then draft Ellenson at #12. If Rabb, draft Zimmerman at #12. No real true PG's this year, late Round 1 guys: Trimble, Baldwin, Barber & Payton II are combo guards with flaws. Would rather draft a SF like Prince or draft and stash an international kid.

I've read Ellenson is a below average athlete and he will be a below the rim player in the NBA. I haven't studied the draft yet but this raised some questions with me.

 

[overseascardfan]

I've read Ellenson is a below average athlete and he will be a below the rim player in the NBA. I haven't studied the draft yet but this raised some questions with me.

He is Kevin Love Part 2. He may not be an explosive athlete but he provides what we need, a PF that can shoot, rebound and has some ball handling ability. Ivan Rabb gives you more athleticism but he needs to add weight and strength to handle NBA post players.

 

[slinslin]

#1-3
1. 6'10 PF Ben Simmons
2. 6'10 SF Brandon Ingram
3. 6'7 SG/SF Jaylen Brown

#12
1. 6'11 PF Ivan Rabb
2. 6'8 SF Timothee Luwawu
3. 6'10 PF Deyonta Davis

#27
1. 6'6 SG Denzel Valentine
2. 6'5 SG Grayson Allen
3. 6'10 C Domantas Sabonis

#33
1. 7' C Ivica Zubac
2. 6'5 PG/SG Malik Newman
3. 7'3 C Yousaffa Fall

 

[slinslin]

He is Kevin Love Part 2. He may not be an explosive athlete but he provides what we need, a PF that can shoot, rebound and has some ball handling ability. Ivan Rabb gives you more athleticism but he needs to add weight and strength to handle NBA post players.

You are overrating Ellenson.

He is shooting 43%FG and 28%3s 73%FTs

Also per 100 possessions

Ivan Rabb 18.2 rebounds 2.8 blocks 3.6 turnovers 122 ortg 94drtg 64%TS
Henry Ellenson 16.5 rebounds 2.7 blocks 4 turnovers 104 ortg 94drtg 52%TS

 

[Russ Smith]

What do people think of Jakob Poeltl? I think he walks over and over on those catch and drive moves but they don't call that in the NBA either so won't matter. He's extremely good, great passer, very good footwork in the post, stronger than you think, makes tough shots look easy. has to work defensively he tries to block everything not a great position defender but terrific talent.

UCLA couldn't guard him and then he ate Chimezie Metu of USC for breakfast yesterday, just curb stomped him.

I think he's a lottery pick I don't know if he's an NBA 5 or a 4, probably a 5.

 

[slinslin]

What do people think of Jakob Poeltl? I think he walks over and over on those catch and drive moves but they don't call that in the NBA either so won't matter. He's extremely good, great passer, very good footwork in the post, stronger than you think, makes tough shots look easy. has to work defensively he tries to block everything not a great position defender but terrific talent.

UCLA couldn't guard him and then he ate Chimezie Metu of USC for breakfast yesterday, just curb stomped him.

I think he's a lottery pick I don't know if he's an NBA 5 or a 4, probably a 5.

No way the Suns should pick him at #5 or #12.

His rebounding and block numbers are low for a 7'1 player (lower than Rabb). Very low on steals too. 68%FT and no attempted 3s.

He is a center, 0% chance he could be a PF.

His calling card is his super efficient scoring, since he scores 18ppg all on close range shots. Doubt that will translate to the NBA so easily.

 

[Catlover]

What do people think of Jakob Poeltl? I think he walks over and over on those catch and drive moves but they don't call that in the NBA either so won't matter. He's extremely good, great passer, very good footwork in the post, stronger than you think, makes tough shots look easy. has to work defensively he tries to block everything not a great position defender but terrific talent.

UCLA couldn't guard him and then he ate Chimezie Metu of USC for breakfast yesterday, just curb stomped him.

I think he's a lottery pick I don't know if he's an NBA 5 or a 4, probably a 5.

I think he goes fairly early in the lottery (top 7) but his lack of length is probably keeping the buzz down. I don't know that he'll be a star in the NBA but he seems like a safe bet as a 10 year starter for someone. I love his footwork but with his length and slight build someone will probably try to turn him into a stretch 4 despite the fact he has no outside shot and is so much better down low.

 

[Catlover]

No way the Suns should pick him at #5 or #12.

His rebounding and block numbers are low for a 7'1 player (lower than Rabb). Very low on steals too. 68%FT and no attempted 3s.

He is a center, 0% chance he could be a PF.

His calling card is his super efficient scoring, since he scores 18ppg all on close range shots. Doubt that will translate to the NBA so easily.

He rebounds and blocks well, you have to consider the pace at which Utah plays. And 68% isn't bad for a center these days plus he's shown considerable improvement already. I agree about not taking him with our pick but that's mostly because we already have Len. Poeltl probably isn't a future star but I'd be surprised if he wasn't effective in the NBA. If he's still there for our Washington pick (and Rabb isn't) we'd have to consider him even with Len and Chandler. By that point in the draft he'd be an easy call as BPA.

 

[slinslin]

He rebounds and blocks well, you have to consider the pace at which Utah plays. And 68% isn't bad for a center these days plus he's shown considerable improvement already. I agree about not taking him with our pick but that's mostly because we already have Len. Poeltl probably isn't a future star but I'd be surprised if he wasn't effective in the NBA. If he's still there for our Washington pick (and Rabb isn't) we'd have to consider him even with Len and Chandler. By that point in the draft he'd be an easy call as BPA.

Pace is already factored in, Poetl rebounds and blocks less per possession than Ivan Rabb.

 

[Catlover]

Pace is already factored in, Poetl rebounds and blocks less per possession than Ivan Rabb.

All right, I'll take your word for it. But I've watched him play and he is not a bad rebounder or a poor shot blocker. Quite the opposite IMO. He's not flashy and we all want flash with a top 5 pick but I'd say there are top 5 picks selected in almost every draft that will have far lesser careers than Turtle with a P. And I'm not just talking about the busts, he'll have a solid career exceeding that of many reasonably successful top 5 picks. Maybe Bogut minus the injury concerns once he adds some strength and increases his range. His hook shot is nice but he needs to be able to hit the 12 footer too.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think he goes fairly early in the lottery (top 7) but his lack of length is probably keeping the buzz down. I don't know that he'll be a star in the NBA but he seems like a safe bet as a 10 year starter for someone. I love his footwork but with his length and slight build someone will probably try to turn him into a stretch 4 despite the fact he has no outside shot and is so much better down low.

He reminds me a bit of a young McHale with the long arms although admittedly he hasn't shown the outside shot. People insist he can shoot they just don't have him do it at Utah. He's such a good passer for his size too.

Agree he needs to get stronger and he's not a great shot blocker but he changes lots of shots and I think as he learns better position defense that will come.

I don't think he'll be a great NBA player but I do think he can guard both the 5 and the 4, he was guarding Bennie Boatwright at times yesterday who's a 3 point shooting stretch 4 and he did a very nice job on him, moves his feet well for a 7 footer.