2016 NBA Draft thread

[FArting]

Here is the official list

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/05/06/more-than-70-players-invited-to-2016-nba-draft-combine/

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Diamond Stone could be an interesting prospect to watch.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...amond-stone-nba-prep-0509-20160509-story.html

He's got a lot of skill, but his draft value is a little low right now because of concerns that his game is a bit outdated for the modern NBA. But if he stays in shape and really can develop a consistent outside shot, he could develop into more of a 4 than a 5. If that happens, he could be a steal.

 

[elindholm]

"Diamond Stone"? Sounds like one of the women on American Gladiators.

 

[JCSunsfan]

"Diamond Stone"? Sounds like one of the women on American Gladiators.

Yep.

 

[FArting]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/summer-agenda--phoenix-suns-211838005.html

 

[Mainstreet]

Emmanuel Malou, a 6'9" forward from Australia enters the NBA draft. He is a top junior college prospect. However, I couldn't even find his DOB. I wonder what scouts think of him? ESPN is giving him some attention.

Here is a link to some video.

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[3rdside]

Jafa! (just another fkn Aussie


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[Ronin]

But the real fun begins on Thursday (2:30 pm ET on ESPN2/WatchESPN).

As always, a horde of NBA GMs, scouts and head coaches are here to dig deeper into the top picks in the upcoming draft. The combine will feature five-on-five games, shooting and skill drills, athletic testing, measurements, medical evaluations and team interviews.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/stor...-five-top-things-watch-2016-nba-draft-combine

 

[slinslin]

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/730557095322517504

https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/730567036078833665

 

[FArting]

https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/730910444647387136

 

[Chaplin]

The mock drafts are pretty interesting -- at least those that are actually true mock drafts. Sites like NBADraft.net are not--they basically come up with a ranking of all players that just happen to line up with what teams have what picks, but they don't take into consideration team needs or wants.

Bleacher Report
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Henry Ellenson
#28: Dejounte Murray

Yahoo
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Marquese Chriss
#28: Petr Cornelie

Draftexpress
#4: Kris Dunn
#13: Timothe Luwawu
#28: Zhou Qi
#34: Guerschon Yabusele

CBS Sports
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Marquese Chriss
#28: Juan Hernangomez

Basketball Insiders
#4: Dragan Bender / Kris Dunn / Jaylen Brown
#13: Timothe Luwawu / Demetrius Jackson / Marquese Chriss
#28: DeAndre Bembry / Damian Jones / Ante Zizic

Draftexpress
#4: Kris Dunn
#13: Timothe Luwawu
#28: Zhou Qi

Walter Football (??)
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Deyonta Davis
#28: Thon Maker
#34: Ivica Zubac

Today's Fastbreak
#4: Dragan Bender
#13: Furkan Korkmaz
#28: Diamond Stone

NBADraft.net Consensus Mock
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Denzel Valentine
#28: Melo Trimble
#34: Anthony Barber

USA Today
#4: Dragan Bender
#13: Domantas Sabonis
#28: Zhou Qi

Fanspeak
#4: Dragan Bender
#13: Jakob Poeltl
#28: AJ Hammons

metro.us
#4: Dragan Bender
#13: Deyonta Davis
#28: Damian Jones
#34: Demetrius Jackson

NBA Draft Room
#4: Jamal Murray
#13: Furkan Korkmaz
#28: DeAndre Bembry
#34: Juan Hernangomez

CSSNE.com (I belive this is a Boston site)
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Furkan Korkmaz
#28: Cheick Diallo

Hoophabit
#4: Jaylen Brown
#13: Furkan Korkmaz
#28: Damian Jones
#34: Juan Hernangomez

Some of these drafts might be older, but some are recent.

 

[WildBB]

Anyone watching the draft combine? Any impressions? The Kansas kid Diallo looks like a good later round pick. He's got some low post game and a soft shot.

http://www.kuathletics.com/roster.aspx

 

[DWKB]

Anyone watching the draft combine? Any impressions? The Kansas kid Diallo looks like a good later round pick. He's got some low post game and a soft shot.

http://www.kuathletics.com/roster.aspx

He has all the raw skills in the world, but had serious trouble learning the offensive and defensive sets.

If you can stash him in the NBDL for a few years he could begin to grasp those nuances and turn into a really good contributor.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've been watching and listening parts of the draft combine the past couple of days and the following comes to mind:

1. Wade Baldwin (PG/SG) interviewed at the combine but he did not participate. There seems to be an opinion he is the second best PG in the draft behind Dunn. Baldwin has a 6'10” wingspan which he will use to steal passes in the passing lane. He likely has a promise. Tyler Ulis has been described as frail at 149 pounds.

2. Commentators can't say enough about DeAndre Bembry who is a SG.

3. Weber State's Joel Bolomboy seems like a sleeper type pick at PF. He can rebound and he is extremely well built. If he can develop a shot, watch out. His ability to rebound looks to make him a keeper in the NBA.

4. Commentators feel size will continue to rise even in the new NBA, especially players like Ellenson (PF/C) and Poeltl (C).

5. Skal Labissiere (PF/C) is looking to be a project player. I get the idea he will slide in the draft.

6. Buddy Hield (G) gets a lot of love as a ready to play player with a NBA 3-point shot. I'm not sure if I would draft him as early as some unless a team really needs a guard to contribute right away.

7. Also Thon Maker (PF) is drawing the attention of scouts. He has an incredible 9' 2.5" standing reach and he is impressing athletically. Commentators mentioned he will go at about #24 so I expect him to rise even further as the draft nears.

If the Suns do not draft until 4-7 they might want to think about drafting Ellenson barring a trade. Obviously this is early speculation on my part.

 

[Joe Mama]

Is it just me or are some of these guys' standing reaches pretty unimpressive?

This almost makes me wonder if there was something weird about the way they measured it one day or with one group. Poeltl and Labissiere only measured 8'9.5" standing reach. I don't even know how that's physically possible with the former since he measured just over 7 feet tall with a 7'2.75" standing reach. He would have to Have an incredibly long neck and head and really broad shoulders.

Honest to God. Why couldn't the Phoenix Suns have had these picks last year? At least In 2013 there was a boatload of size. This year's draft looks incredibly weak from top to bottom. By the way, I wanted to see who we passed on to take Archie. That 2013 second round was awful. Crabbe Is the only player I would take over Archie and really the only player worth having on a roster.

I know I'm a bundle of joy this evening, but I'm convinced three teams will jump over us into the top 3 including Washington.

Joe

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is it just me or are some of these guys' standing reaches pretty unimpressive?

This almost makes me wonder if there was something weird about the way they measured it one day or with one group. Poeltl and Labissiere only measured 8'9.5" standing reach. I don't even know how that's physically possible with the former since he measured just over 7 feet tall with a 7'2.75" standing reach. He would have to Have an incredibly long neck and head and really broad shoulders.

Honest to God. Why couldn't the Phoenix Suns have had these picks last year? At least In 2013 there was a boatload of size. This year's draft looks incredibly weak from top to bottom. By the way, I wanted to see who we passed on to take Archie. That 2013 second round was awful. Crabbe Is the only player I would take over Archie and really the only player worth having on a roster.

I know I'm a bundle of joy this evening, but I'm convinced three teams will jump over us into the top 3 including Washington.

Joe

Looking at our glaring need at the 4, I've been depressed by this draft for awhile now. I like Davis okay, at least he looks to become an NBA level defender and I wouldn't be too disappointed if we drafted Ellenson but neither player will likely be more than a decent starter. That's why I'd forgo taking a big man prospect and gamble on one of the 2's or 3's, at least some of them have great measurables. But assuming Ingram isn't available for us, I'd be just as happy to see us trade out of this draft completely.

As for your final sentence about how our luck will probably run on Tuesday, the good news is it's really not that bad of an outcome. If there was ever a year to drop from 4th to 7th, this is it. And while at first blush it's disappointing to imagine losing out on the Washington pick, I'm not thrilled with the talent available at that pick either. In fact, if Washington jumps to 3rd, this draft is weak enough at the top that I wouldn't be shocked to see them offer it to us for something like the obligation plus the Cleveland pick just so they don't risk losing it in what looks to be a much better draft next year.

And if Ryan looks at this class and is a lot more excited about some of the prospects than many of us are, I don't think it will be a tough year to move up and grab the guy he wants. Boston, Philadelphia and Minnesota for example all have reasons to at least consider trading away a high pick. I doubt we can get Ingram without winning the lottery but I'd be surprised if we couldn't grab just about any other player if we really set our mind to it.

 

[slinslin]

Marquese Chriss measured in better than expected at just a shade over 6'10 with a 7'+ wingspan.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Marquese Chriss measured in better than expected at just a shade over 6'10 with a 7'+ wingspan.

Yeah but standing reach was only 8'9. For what it's worth, Deyonta Davis measured better than Chriss in almost every category.

 

[Errntknght]

I know I'm a bundle of joy this evening, but I'm convinced three teams will jump over us into the top 3 including Washington.

Joe

Even that has another silver lining - if 3 teams jump over us then they jump over LA, too, so they don't get one of the top two picks. In fact they don't get their pick at all, IIRC. The other silver lining is what AzSteve said, Washington's pick may be worth more next year. If they get the 3rd pick and offer it to us we don't have to take it. If something screwy happens, like Bennet going first a couple of years ago, then we should take it but at that point I imagine Wash. doesn't offer it.

This looks like this is the year to gamble if you can't trade your picks for futures. I'd probably pick Thon Maker at 13 if we wind up having the pick. Who knows what McD is thinking - this is the kind of year where he could really shine whether he trades around or makes the picks.

 

[WildBB]

Yeah but standing reach was only 8'9. For what it's worth, Deyonta Davis measured better than Chriss in almost every category.

I would take Davis at 4. At least the Suns become tougher on D at the least. Upside compares to Horford. Not bad. Legit 4 big man who'll get your team the Rebound.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I would take Davis at 4. At least the Suns become tougher on D at the least. Upside compares to Horford. Not bad. Legit 4 big man who'll get your team the Rebound.

Yeah, I'm okay with that too. He may not have the highest ceiling but he still has some untapped potential and he seems to have a higher floor than most of the other 4's in this class.

 

[slinslin]

Deyonta Davis is not a worthy #4 pick.

And I would not take him over Chriss no matter what.

 

[overseascardfan]

I've been watching and listening parts of the draft combine the past couple of days and the following comes to mind:

1. Wade Baldwin (PG/SG) interviewed at the combine but he did not participate. There seems to be an opinion he is the second best PG in the draft behind Dunn. Baldwin has a 6'10” wingspan which he will use to steal passes in the passing lane. He likely has a promise. Tyler Ulis has been described as frail at 149 pounds.

2. Commentators can't say enough about DeAndre Bembry who is a SG.

3. Weber State's Joel Bolomboy seems like a sleeper type pick at PF. He can rebound and he is extremely well built. If he can develop a shot, watch out. His ability to rebound looks to make him a keeper in the NBA.

4. Commentators feel size will continue to rise even in the new NBA, especially players like Ellenson (PF/C) and Poeltl (C).

5. Skal Labissiere (PF/C) is looking to be a project player. I get the idea he will slide in the draft.

6. Buddy Hield (G) gets a lot of love as a ready to play player with a NBA 3-point shot. I'm not sure if I would draft him as early as some unless a team really needs a guard to contribute right away.

7. Also Thon Maker (PF) is drawing the attention of scouts. He has an incredible 9' 2.5" standing reach and he is impressing athletically. Commentators mentioned he will go at about #24 so I expect him to rise even further as the draft nears.

If the Suns do not draft until 4-7 they might want to think about drafting Ellenson barring a trade. Obviously this is early speculation on my part.

There is recent buzz that PHX could be looking at Ellenson & Baldwin IV. I like both players despite what other posters feel about Ellenson in particular from the posts I've read.

Ellenson may look unathletic, but he is pretty athletic for a 6'10 big man. He can handle the ball, he can rebound, has pretty good range on his jump shot. He may not be the freak athlete like a Chriss but he is more polished. Kevin Love comparisons appear to be warranted which could justify him getting Top 10 consideration.

Wade Baldwin IV, I think he is going to shoot up as the draft gets closer, dude is the next Russell Westbrook IMO. Freak athlete, great measurables, all around game. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the Top 10, maybe PHX takes him with their first pick.

A little something I've read, it most likely won't affect PHX, but it seems PHX has met with Brandon Ingram but not Ben Simmons. Maybe Simmons is limiting his visits and meetings but PHX is a small possibility to land the top pick so he should be covering his bases, I just find it interesting that maybe PHX if they win the lottery may not prefer Simmons over Ingram, maybe they aren't alone.

 

[AzStevenCal]

There is recent buzz that PHX could be looking at Ellenson & Baldwin IV. I like both players despite what other posters feel about Ellenson in particular from the posts I've read.

Ellenson may look unathletic, but he is pretty athletic for a 6'10 big man. He can handle the ball, he can rebound, has pretty good range on his jump shot. He may not be the freak athlete like a Chriss but he is more polished. Kevin Love comparisons appear to be warranted which could justify him getting Top 10 consideration.

Wade Baldwin IV, I think he is going to shoot up as the draft gets closer, dude is the next Russell Westbrook IMO. Freak athlete, great measurables, all around game. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the Top 10, maybe PHX takes him with their first pick.

A little something I've read, it most likely won't affect PHX, but it seems PHX has met with Brandon Ingram but not Ben Simmons. Maybe Simmons is limiting his visits and meetings but PHX is a small possibility to land the top pick so he should be covering his bases, I just find it interesting that maybe PHX if they win the lottery may not prefer Simmons over Ingram, maybe they aren't alone.

I don't think it's a maybe, it's a given IMO. I doubt if there's even one team that would consider going with Simmons over Ingram for the first spot right now. His unwillingness to even be measured at the combine along with the rumors about his work ethic and issues with his teammates along with other concerns has moved him solidly behind Ingram IMO. If this were a typical draft he'd probably fall a lot further than to 2nd too but he's probably safe there with this class.

I keep seeing Brian Scalabrine/Brian Cardinal as Ellenson's NBA comparison along with the occasional Kevin Love mention. I think he probably falls about midway between the Cardinal and Love level which wouldn't be horrible for a late lottery pick. I'd rather draft Davis with that pick, assuming he's there, but I'd feel pretty good about it if that's Ryan's first choice.

AFAIC, Chriss has huge bust potential and I don't think his ceiling is high enough to warrant that risk unless he's there for us in the teens.

I agree that Baldwin will likely shoot up the list because of those measureables along with a guy I've mentioned a few times, Dedric Lawson. Honestly, I think Lawson could end up being one of the top players in this class assuming he stays in the draft.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Deyonta Davis is not a worthy #4 pick.

And I would not take him over Chriss no matter what.

Ingram is worth a #4 pick but is likely going to be the first one off the board. I don't see another player in this class that I'm confident is worthy of the number 4 pick. I really liked the idea of Chriss as a pick in the low teens but this draft is weak enough that he may well go in the top 5. I hate the idea of risking a top 5 pick on a player who is mostly there on potential and has fairly high bust potential.

Davis is much closer to ready IMO and he's only 7 months older so it's not like he's a finished product either. Also, for what it's worth, according to Davis, he has 3 point range and wasn't allowed to show it at MSU. If that's the case he could be that rare stretch 4 that can also protect the rim. And it doesn't hurt that he has better measureables than Chriss too.