2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[devilalum]

Fultz?

Sure

Biggest joke franchise should have the biggest joke player. Match made in heaven.

Anybody else see the Cowboys goofing on Fultz yesterday?


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[devilalum]

Fultz?

Sure

Biggest joke franchise should have the biggest joke player. Match made in heaven.

Anybody else see the Cowboys goofing on Fultz yesterday?


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[ColdPickleNachos]

Dinwiddie's been looking like a potential star recently.

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[Errntknght]

Dinwiddie would be a great grab, if we could pull it off.

Last year when the he was first getting some buzz, I made up a list of up and coming PG's who were stuck behind big name guys. Dinwiddie, Tyus Jones(Min), VanVleet and Delon Wright(Tor) and Jerian Grant(chi). At the time it was to take attention away from Rozier, who was being talked up on the board. Turned out to be a pretty good list. Dinwiddie is breaking out now and VV finished the year very strong and got a nice 2nd contract from Tor. None of them finished weak and I'd take any of them - certainly over Rozier.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So. I just don't see any trades that make sense. After Dec 15 maybe. But it might be better just to develop Point Book this year and wait for next summer. There are SO MANY pg's available next summer its mind boggling.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

 

[GatorAZ]

So. I just don't see any trades that make sense. After Dec 15 maybe. But it might be better just to develop Point Book this year and wait for next summer. There are SO MANY pg's available next summer its mind boggling.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

Rubio, Collison, McConnell and Dinwiddie stand out as solid and cheap upgrades.

 

[Hoop Head]

So. I just don't see any trades that make sense. After Dec 15 maybe. But it might be better just to develop Point Book this year and wait for next summer. There are SO MANY pg's available next summer its mind boggling.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

With the PG's available this upcoming summer, it would be ridiculous to trade for someone like John Wall that would lock us in to our current lineup for the next 4-5 years with very little room to make moves. There are guys like Kemba Walker, Rubio, Collison, D'Angelo Russell available in addition to Dinwiddie, Tyus Jones, Delon Wright, and Terry Rozier as possible options with a slew of older PG's that might be brought in as backups or part time starters like Jeremy Lin, Raymond Felton, Devin Harris, Ish Smith, Milos Teodosic, and Patrick Beverly. If players like Jeff Teague and Dragic enter free agency and decline their options that should just lower the cost of all players we should be looking at as well.

There are seriously over a dozen PG's on that list that have been mentioned as trade targets for one reason or the other in the last year or so and that should be one of the main reasons we keep our options open. If we strike somehow, we're worse than anyone anticipated and at that point settling for Wall would make sense. Sacrificing the chance at all of those guys to get Wall now is foolish though.

 

[JCSunsfan]

With the PG's available this upcoming summer, it would be ridiculous to trade for someone like John Wall that would lock us in to our current lineup for the next 4-5 years with very little room to make moves. There are guys like Kemba Walker, Rubio, Collison, D'Angelo Russell available in addition to Dinwiddie, Tyus Jones, Delon Wright, and Terry Rozier as possible options with a slew of older PG's that might be brought in as backups or part time starters like Jeremy Lin, Raymond Felton, Devin Harris, Ish Smith, Milos Teodosic, and Patrick Beverly. If players like Jeff Teague and Dragic enter free agency and decline their options that should just lower the cost of all players we should be looking at as well.

There are seriously over a dozen PG's on that list that have been mentioned as trade targets for one reason or the other in the last year or so and that should be one of the main reasons we keep our options open. If we strike somehow, we're worse than anyone anticipated and at that point settling for Wall would make sense. Sacrificing the chance at all of those guys to get Wall now is foolish though.

I think I counted 17 pg's available in free agency this summer that are clearly better than any pg we have on our roster not named Booker.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Rubio, Collison, McConnell and Dinwiddie stand out as solid and cheap upgrades.

Rubio, Lin, Walker, Rondo, Collison, Ish, Beverly, DAR, Payton, Rose, Rozier, IT, Delon Wright, Tyus Jones, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, TJMc.

We have talked about all of these as possibilities. At least a few are going to sign somewhere really cheaply. As much as I want to win now, it might pay to wait and really work on developing the talent we have and then sign someone next summer.

Kemba and Mirotic. Resign Holmes. Draft Zion or Bol Bol. Now that would be an interesting summer. Good grief, even Brogdon and Mirotic would be huge.

 

[1Sun]

Rubio, Lin, Walker, Rondo, Collison, Ish, Beverly, DAR, Payton, Rose, Rozier, IT, Delon Wright, Tyus Jones, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, TJMc.

We have talked about all of these as possibilities. At least a few are going to sign somewhere really cheaply. As much as I want to win now, it might pay to wait and really work on developing the talent we have and then sign someone next summer.

Kemba and Mirotic. Resign Holmes. Draft Zion or Bol Bol. Now that would be an interesting summer.

The problem, of course, is that it will take a competent point guard and head coach to be able to develop the talent we have, and right now we have neither. Best case scenario for this season if we stand pat is that this is an entirely wasted season. Worst case, of course, is that the wasted season does permanent, irreversible damage to certain core players and/or causes some or all of them to want out, a la Eric Bledsoe last year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Cleveland has now gone public saying that they would be willing to take back long term salary to move players. The player in question is George Hill. He has some history with Igor. He is only owed $1 million in guaranteed salary next season.

Ryan Anderson
Melton or Okobo
Bucks pick

for George Hill

Adds a contributing player to our present roster.
The Bucks pick is not going to help our team much anyway
Saves us roughly $15 million this summer (before stretching Anderson's deal)

Just throwing out an idea.

Ariza for Hill works straight up too.

 

[Proximo]

Rubio, Lin, Walker, Rondo, Collison, Ish, Beverly, DAR, Payton, Rose, Rozier, IT, Delon Wright, Tyus Jones, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, TJMc.

We have talked about all of these as possibilities. At least a few are going to sign somewhere really cheaply. As much as I want to win now, it might pay to wait and really work on developing the talent we have and then sign someone next summer.

Kemba and Mirotic. Resign Holmes. Draft Zion or Bol Bol. Now that would be an interesting summer. Good grief, even Brogdon and Mirotic would be huge.

Umm - that is impossible.

We don't have cap room to sign just Kemba currently (not to mention I highly doubt he would be interested) - both Kemba and Mirotic as well as resigning Holmes cannot be done.

You are talking about 60 million in cap room - when we are likely to only have around 20 million.

I really like Brogden - that is a guy I would like to go after - but he will likely be around 12-15 mil a year by himself I would think.

 

[Proximo]

Personally I am not sure any trade for a pg makes sense.

The guys available are the ones about to become Free agents.

Is it really worth giving up the Milwaukee pick for three months of playing time, when we are likely to be a bottom 5 team no matter what and we can sign the guy for no compensation after the season?

I mean I don't have a problem giving up Bender, or daniels or a second, but anything more than that seems like a bad long term move to me.

 

[95pro]

No to that. George Over-The-Hill. Kind of seems like a lateral move to me, but giving up Oko would be off limits for me. The pick for Hill, I'd rather have a pick surprise me than signing up Hill. Ariza will have more value as the deadline approaches and is better off on this team than not on the team, despite his play.

 

[Proximo]

Cleveland has now gone public saying that they would be willing to take back long term salary to move players. The player in question is George Hill. He has some history with Igor. He is only owed $1 million in guaranteed salary next season.

Ryan Anderson
Melton or Okobo
Bucks pick

for George Hill

Adds a contributing player to our present roster.
The Bucks pick is not going to help our team much anyway
Saves us roughly $15 million this summer (before stretching Anderson's deal)

Just throwing out an idea.

Ariza for Hill works straight up too.

That probably makes sense due to the cap savings for the Suns.

Why would Cleveland do that? He is one guy they can get rid of fairly easily due to his contract not being guaranteed and Anderson has seriously negative value.

I think they are talking about JR Smith - which nobody in their right mind should want.

 

[Hoop Head]

Suns can swing for the fences and go after Love. Similar to the Hill trade, Anderson, Melton and/or Okobo, Daniels, Buck's pick and a handful of 2nd rounders for Love. We need a PG, no doubt, but we would still have close to the same cap amount this summer because we wouldn't need to stretch Anderson.

Umm - that is impossible.

We don't have cap room to sign just Kemba currently (not to mention I highly doubt he would be interested) - both Kemba and Mirotic as well as resigning Holmes cannot be done.

You are talking about 60 million in cap room - when we are likely to only have around 20 million.

I really like Brogden - that is a guy I would like to go after - but he will likely be around 12-15 mil a year by himself I would think.

We have $82 million salary on the books next season before waiving Anderson. Unloading Hill for Anderson would still leave us about $24-26 million depending on where the cap fell and if we kept Hill. If we let Hill go, we don't need to stretch him because only $1 of $18 million are guaranteed, which would bring us over $40 million in cap space, in which we could sign a max player and another around the MLE. Without that trade though we would have the money to sign Kemba after stretching Anderson, which appears to be the plan, because that would free up another $10 million or so in salary cap space to work with.

Here's info on our cap figures.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/yearly/cap/

 

[1Sun]

Cleveland has now gone public saying that they would be willing to take back long term salary to move players. The player in question is George Hill. He has some history with Igor. He is only owed $1 million in guaranteed salary next season.

Ryan Anderson
Melton or Okobo
Bucks pick

for George Hill

Adds a contributing player to our present roster.
The Bucks pick is not going to help our team much anyway
Saves us roughly $15 million this summer (before stretching Anderson's deal)

Just throwing out an idea.

Ariza for Hill works straight up too.

I would do either one of those in a heartbeat, though I would prefer not to give up Melton or Okobo under the first scenario, and I don't think we would necessarily have to do so.

 

[1Sun]

No to that. George Over-The-Hill. Kind of seems like a lateral move to me, but giving up Oko would be off limits for me. The pick for Hill, I'd rather have a pick surprise me than signing up Hill. Ariza will have more value as the deadline approaches and is better off on this team than not on the team, despite his play.

Agree on Okobo.

Not a lateral move at all, though. Hill is light years better at the point than anyone on the Suns roster. Whether or not it translates into wins, it would greatly boost the development of every young player on the roster, including Booker.

And as I mentioned on another thread, Ariza's value decreases drastically (and the chance that he becomes a cancer on the team increases) with every minute he plays.

 

[1Sun]

That probably makes sense due to the cap savings for the Suns.

Why would Cleveland do that? He is one guy they can get rid of fairly easily due to his contract not being guaranteed and Anderson has seriously negative value.

I think they are talking about JR Smith - which nobody in their right mind should want.

Ironically, JR Smith pretty much falls into the exact same category as this year's version of Trevor Ariza...

 

[JCSunsfan]

No to that. George Over-The-Hill. Kind of seems like a lateral move to me, but giving up Oko would be off limits for me. The pick for Hill, I'd rather have a pick surprise me than signing up Hill. Ariza will have more value as the deadline approaches and is better off on this team than not on the team, despite his play.

It’s more about cap savings than Hill. Hill would add another rotation piece for the short term though.

 

[95pro]

I'd rather just see what Oko has in him.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'd rather just see what Oko has in him.

If Igor's not playing him then we can address the need for a PG elsewhere. If we could deal Melton and bring back Hill that would mean we could sit Canaan entirely, which might get Igor to give Okobo a few more minutes because he has a steady hand he can go back to in Hill if he sucks out there. Right now though I'd be surprised to see Okobo, or Melton for that matter, see a good amount of playing time unless there is an injury. I think acquiring Hill, or another veteran PG, would be similar to us waiving Chandler though because it would remove Canaan from the rotation entirely and then Igor could experiment some with a backup more, like how Holmes walked into the backup big role without Chandler on the roster anymore. I don't think we would waive Canaan but I think he would be sitting like Daniels and Bender if we had a better PG to go to.

 

[Proximo]

Suns can swing for the fences and go after Love. Similar to the Hill trade, Anderson, Melton and/or Okobo, Daniels, Buck's pick and a handful of 2nd rounders for Love. We need a PG, no doubt, but we would still have close to the same cap amount this summer because we wouldn't need to stretch Anderson.


We have $82 million salary on the books next season before waiving Anderson. Unloading Hill for Anderson would still leave us about $24-26 million depending on where the cap fell and if we kept Hill. If we let Hill go, we don't need to stretch him because only $1 of $18 million are guaranteed, which would bring us over $40 million in cap space, in which we could sign a max player and another around the MLE. Without that trade though we would have the money to sign Kemba after stretching Anderson, which appears to be the plan, because that would free up another $10 million or so in salary cap space to work with.

Here's info on our cap figures.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/yearly/cap/

Yes, I was not counting on the trade of Anderson which I think is very unlikely.

But you are also forgetting the salary of our top 5 pick which is not insignificant.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If Igor's not playing him then we can address the need for a PG elsewhere. If we could deal Melton and bring back Hill that would mean we could sit Canaan entirely, which might get Igor to give Okobo a few more minutes because he has a steady hand he can go back to in Hill if he sucks out there. Right now though I'd be surprised to see Okobo, or Melton for that matter, see a good amount of playing time unless there is an injury. I think acquiring Hill, or another veteran PG, would be similar to us waiving Chandler though because it would remove Canaan from the rotation entirely and then Igor could experiment some with a backup more, like how Holmes walked into the backup big role without Chandler on the roster anymore. I don't think we would waive Canaan but I think he would be sitting like Daniels and Bender if we had a better PG to go to.

90% of humor is timing!

 

[95pro]

If Igor's not playing him then we can address the need for a PG elsewhere. If we could deal Melton and bring back Hill that would mean we could sit Canaan entirely, which might get Igor to give Okobo a few more minutes because he has a steady hand he can go back to in Hill if he sucks out there. Right now though I'd be surprised to see Okobo, or Melton for that matter, see a good amount of playing time unless there is an injury. I think acquiring Hill, or another veteran PG, would be similar to us waiving Chandler though because it would remove Canaan from the rotation entirely and then Igor could experiment some with a backup more, like how Holmes walked into the backup big role without Chandler on the roster anymore. I don't think we would waive Canaan but I think he would be sitting like Daniels and Bender if we had a better PG to go to.

mark your words