2018 1st round pick is Josh Rosen

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No, you're not wrong. A lot of factors go into recovery---age, severity, repeated injury, etc. Also, NFL players don't have the luxury of shutting things down during the season---as soon as they pass protocol they're back on the field.

https://www.brainline.org/article/facts-about-concussion-and-brain-injury

The statement was concussions don't heal. They do. The brain and brain chemistry repairs. May be up to one year, but it heals. However, the problem is sustaining a concussion when still recovering from one, that you are much more likely to have happen, about 3 times as likely, and the damage can be very serious and even fatal. But to day brain injuries don't heal is not correct. Once healed, you are not more susceptible to future concussions than anyone else.

What IS concerning is that Rosen tried to hide a concussion, the one he was not cleared for, to try to play. That's the kind of thing that can lead to long term effects.
 

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he's pissed off he was the 4th QB taken, after he wasdnt drafted by 3, "it was all a blur because i was mad" "There were nine mistakes ahead of me, and i'll prove that over the next decade”

And why would that be bad? LOL.

Just don't understand the hate. Is it the hot tub in his room, because that's funny as hell. Is it the F trump at trump's golf course? Because who cares? Is it that he gave a crap about the teammates who don't have $ while the NCAA rakes in an under armor deal? Because that's actually backbone and class. Did he present these things well, nah, but he learned from them. Do they matter an ounce in the football sense? Not at all.

He's confident, has swagger. Fantastic. I don't want a QB without it. He will kick ass and take names.
 

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How would you describe your leadership style?
I'm not rah-rah. I want to develop individual relationships to understand how certain people react. Does he respond to a kick in the butt, or does he need encouragement because he's self-critical? I take the time and effort to get the best out of every individual, not out of fear but out of love.


That is how you do it. Seriously. The kid is smart.
 

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  1. Deadly Accurate Quarterback Comparison: Millennial Jay Cutler, Joey Harrington.

    Josh Rosen’s biggest problem is that he is overprepared.

    The NFL’s sewing circle of like-minded insiders just doesn’t like Rosen. And they want all of us to know it. You couldn’t get a beer during the combine without a hostess asking, “Would you like to see our snack menu, and did you know that Josh Rosen’s teammates REALLY hate him?”

    The distaste self-proclaimed Real Football Guys have for Rosen was broadcast 24/7 this draft season on the Rumors and Scuttlebutt Network, with tales about politics, angry teammates and hot tubs deployed as proxy arguments for he’s just not our kind of guy.

    Rosen is an extremely qualified franchise quarterback prospect, physically and mentally, but he rubs the NFL hivemind the wrong way. The problem for Rosen and the Cardinals is that the hivemind is persistent and consistent, and it makes sure its prophecies are self-fulfilled. If the Real Football Guys decide some tall kid with good hair deserves 75 chances, the tall kid with good hair gets 75 chances. If someone else “doesn’t fit the culture,” he had better perform like Randy Moss right away.

    So Rosen must be undeniably successful as quickly as possible. Otherwise, he will be othered by the hivemind and find second chances hard to come by while less-gifted quarterbacks who act more like the eager young second lieutenants in old war movies get opportunities instead.

    That’s just how the NFL works, and challenging it makes you even more of an outsider.

    Arizona may be Rosen’s best landing spot: a quiet media market, an organization that doesn’t get sucked into histrionics, a new coach who won’t be on the hot seat anytime soon and a depth chart full of tall guys with good hair that will be easily climbed once Sam Bradford gets injured (Labor Day) and Mike Glennon generates his 15th turnover (Columbus Day). In three years, we may be wondering what other teams were thinking when they let Rosen fall to the Cardinals. Let’s hope so. Because the NFL hivemind could always use another kick in its complacency.

    Grade: A


Link to story won't post... it's on Bleacher Report
 

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The statement was concussions don't heal. They do. The brain and brain chemistry repairs. May be up to one year, but it heals. However, the problem is sustaining a concussion when still recovering from one, that you are much more likely to have happen, about 3 times as likely, and the damage can be very serious and even fatal. But to day brain injuries don't heal is not correct. Once healed, you are not more susceptible to future concussions than anyone else.

What IS concerning is that Rosen tried to hide a concussion, the one he was not cleared for, to try to play. That's the kind of thing that can lead to long term effects.


The understanding regarding concussions and how the brain reacts is still up in the air. For example, the idea that suffering a concussion increases your chances for having another one is or is not true depending upon your definition of 'healed.' One thought is that you are at increased risk because of the chemical changes that can leave your brain debilitated for up to a year---having a previous concussion can make you more susceptible for another.

http://scienceline.org/2008/04/ask-heger-concussion/

There's a difference between healing and accommodation. Even those with severe brain injury can function as the brain accommodates for the injury with alternate neural pathways and connections. If you look at the outward behavior and actions of the injured person it certainly appears that they have healed. We've got a lot of extra wiring up there that can be used. The problem is there is no way to know the 'normal' way the person would have aged had they not experienced a concussion earlier in life. We write off deterioration in memory as something that happens with age---or is it the expression of damage done many years before that is showing itself?

It is the repeated damage that football players go through that leads to severe issues. Repeat concussions cause cumulative effects on the brain. Successive concussions can have devastating consequences, including brain swelling, permanent brain damage, long-term disabilities, or even death.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlos...term-effects-of-concussions-on-nfl-players/2/

Pretty certain that our man Rosen has read up on all this research----I would not be surprised if he calls it quits after his next concussion for fear of his future quality of life.
 

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Darren Urban (@Cardschatter) tweeted at 3:09 PM on Fri, Apr 27, 2018:
Josh Rosen said he might’ve been a little emotional when he talked about nine mistakes ahead of him. He was mostly thinking quarterbacks, so “three big mistakes.” Smiled as he said it.
 

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Josh Weinfuss (@joshweinfuss) tweeted at 4:06 PM on Fri, Apr 27, 2018:
Josh Rosen said he'll wear No. 3 with the Cardinals, which he wore at UCLA. Rosen added he was a big fan of Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson.
 

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The understanding regarding concussions and how the brain reacts is still up in the air. For example, the idea that suffering a concussion increases your chances for having another one is or is not true depending upon your definition of 'healed.' One thought is that you are at increased risk because of the chemical changes that can leave your brain debilitated for up to a year---having a previous concussion can make you more susceptible for another.

http://scienceline.org/2008/04/ask-heger-concussion/

There's a difference between healing and accommodation. Even those with severe brain injury can function as the brain accommodates for the injury with alternate neural pathways and connections. If you look at the outward behavior and actions of the injured person it certainly appears that they have healed. We've got a lot of extra wiring up there that can be used. The problem is there is no way to know the 'normal' way the person would have aged had they not experienced a concussion earlier in life. We write off deterioration in memory as something that happens with age---or is it the expression of damage done many years before that is showing itself?

It is the repeated damage that football players go through that leads to severe issues. Repeat concussions cause cumulative effects on the brain. Successive concussions can have devastating consequences, including brain swelling, permanent brain damage, long-term disabilities, or even death.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlos...term-effects-of-concussions-on-nfl-players/2/

Pretty certain that our man Rosen has read up on all this research----I would not be surprised if he calls it quits after his next concussion for fear of his future quality of life.

Good stuff, I'm very much in that world as a coach, so have to stay informed. Had a kid with a bad concussion this year that went from 0 to 100 in about 15 minutes. Learned a lot with him, as he was clearly concussed in eye tests but had normal speech, then 10 minutes later he couldn't form a sentence. He still is not fully recovered after 4 months and only cleared to do non contact work. Craziest concussion I've seen. As AIA coaches we are hyper-vigilant with any suspected concussion. Basketball ones are pretty rough as they are usually back of the head snapbacks to the floor.

They are no joke.
 

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