2018 Draft: Wonderlic Scores of top QBs

[BigRedRage]

Found a site the let's you take the Wonderlic test. I scored a 22. A 13 is bad. If I didn't know the answer right off I just skipped it.

https://footballiqscore.com/quiz/full-quiz/question/38

if this test is anything like what he took, he either just didn't give a damn or he is straight up dumb....

If you cant figure out that 175 and 125 is 300, how do you learn a playbook?

 

[BW52]

if this test is anything like what he took, he either just didn't give a damn or he is straight up dumb....

If you cant figure out that 175 and 125 is 300, how do you learn a playbook?

There has never been any source anywhere from anybody saying Lamar Jackson is dumb or has been unable to learn a playbook except the insinuations by Jackson haters who probably just can`t stand the thought of Jackson as the Cards QB .There has been no rumors,whispered mumbles or plain out statements stating Jackson doesn`t have it upstairs.

 

[BW52]

I can't believe people are trying to defend Jackson's score of 13...you get a score of 3 for simply writing your name and date correctly.

I can`t believe people are obsessing over one perceived flaw and ignoring every good thing he has.Damned fools.

 

[BigRedRage]

There has never been any source anywhere from anybody saying Lamar Jackson is dumb or has been unable to learn a playbook except the insinuations by Jackson haters who probably just can`t stand the thought of Jackson as the Cards QB .There has been no rumors,whispered mumbles or plain out statements stating Jackson doesn`t have it upstairs.

except the source this entire thread is about

Personally, I do not watch college football, I just know this is the guy likely available to us and I want to like him because we have a shot at him.

No matter how you slice it, a 13 score is quite pathetic.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Just took it again and scored a 27. Some of the questions changed but a good amount were the same. Bottom line is this, you can prep for this test and come out with a good score. I improved by 5 points just on the second try. Some of the questions are very similar in structure or task asked to complete. Going through it a second time actually helped in that comprehension of the questions was easier the second time. It's quite apparent Jackson didn't even bother to brush up on the Wonderlic. A score of 13 is pretty bad especially for a college level person. You have to ignore the time restraint, if you don't (it's 12 minutes) you can freeze your mind as you're always looking at the clock counting down. In an hour taking this several times there is no reason not to score in the 30s. Both times I did everything in my head. I don't know if they allow testers to use a paper and pencil. That would make it even easier.

I understand why they give it. It estimates how well a person can take information presented and process it to a logical results. Yes, it has nothing to do with football and a person can be football smart and not test well on the Wonderlic. What it does do is tell you how well a person can take information that may be new or is a variation of what is standard (for example changing a play formation or tweaking it during a game) and being able to execute it. I guess the best example I can give is imagine working on a game plan all week only to find out once the game starts, it's a terrible game plan and you have to reverse directions. This gives an indication of how well a person can also reverse directions and go with a drastically different game plan mid stream during a game. That is my take on the purpose of the Wonderlic test. How well they can think on their feet.

The Wonderlic has wide application and is used in many other business settings---it was used in the 1930's on and was used to determine pilots for WWII, etc. Cowpies were the first team to use it to rate draft candidates. Variations of the Wonderlic (under different names) has been used in different areas to determine cognitive ability and also to establish base-line minimum scores for a given profession (believe a '22' is a baseline for a QB). Contrary to some comments on the forum, it is considered a valid test of adult intelligence.

You make the comment It's quite apparent Jackson didn't even bother to brush up on the Wonderlic. Do you have knowledge that he didn't prep for this test???

For example, some of the test questions require an application of basic practical math on how to find the % the cost of item that will be added to pay tax on a purchase. You need to know to convert a % to a decimal and then multiply the cost of the item times the decimal value for the tax. That gives the amount in tax. Then add that amount to the cost of the item for the total price. Once you recognize the question, you can apply the above---the trick comes in when you are asked to work backwards---you are given total price and the tax amount and are asked to calculate the % that you paid in taxes.

You get duplicate type of questions on the exam as a means to check for guessing---if you get question #5 correct and it was a 'calculate the percent tax' question but then missed the exact type of question of #28 and #40---did you guess on #5? You can earn a few points by
guessing so don't leave any item blank. You got a 25% chance to guess right on a 4 choice item---and should get close to 12 just by guessing. Go ahead and try it on a 50 sample test.

It just doesn't 'click' for some people to understand the logical flow. Even after repeated practice and tutoring (I taught 9th grade math back in the dark ages and would have kids who just didn't understand no matter how hard we both worked and how many different ways I tried to teach it).

The other important thing to keep in mind is the possibility of a learning disability---dyslexia is a possibility.

https://www.understood.org/en/learn...-disabilities/dyslexia/understanding-dyslexia

Some have a terrible time being able to read---if the person can have the problem given to them verbally or visually---they can solve the problem. Very intelligent people can have this issue to the frustration of parents and teachers. They learn info but when it comes time to take a test where they have to read and respond, they do miserably. A big puzzle to parents because they know their kid is 'smart' and still brings home poor grades. A high percentage of people suffer this problem.

I don't know if LJ has a learning disability . . . but it is something to consider given the low Wonderlic (and I bet he got plenty of tutoring from his school) and the avoidance of blackboard time with teams and private interviews. I know I had several kids in my Practical Math class who fit the definition---and got 'it' when I asked them the questions instead of having them read the questions.

A lot of different abilities are needed in a pro QB including cognitive ability---especially with the complicated playbooks and defensive schemes that require the exact type of pressure to perform as the logic problems in the Wonderlic. Every single play requires an instant read, process, react challenge for the QB. He's got to learn the playbook, learn the D he is facing that week, know the calls and translate that into action---a ability that washes out a lot of promising college QBs (another reason you want a young vet and not a draftee that you paid 4 #1 picks---who has never played a down in the NFL).

The same ability to scan a written problem, analyze it for what is being asked, and proceed to a solution will be the same task a QB will have to go through when he steps to the line and looks over the opposing D. Instead of the framework for solving a '% tax' problem, he is solving a 'where to go with the football' problem.

Surprisingly, the Wonderlic scores have a negative correlation with cover CBs --here, the ability is to mirror and flow with WR---and not get paralysis by analysis. (PP2 got a 9 on his Wonderlic and does a pretty good job blanketing his WR responsibility).

Wonderlic homepage with lots of info:

http://wonderlictestsample.com/

 

[Zeno]

I think that score is a concern and teams will have to really use their private visits with him to see if it is an accurate reflection of his football IQ and ability to learn at the next level. Too bad we don't have a new version of Grudens QB Camp with him on it with a new coach of course (Arians would be entertaining doing that IMO). I remember last year coming away impressed with Mahomes on that.

Personally I hope we draft him at 15 if he is there, I think there is just too much potential to ignore.

 

[BW52]

except the source this entire thread is about

Personally, I do not watch college football, I just know this is the guy likely available to us and I want to like him because we have a shot at him.

No matter how you slice it, a 13 score is quite pathetic.

I think Jackson likely didn`t take the Wonderlich seriously.I have never heard or read anything about him being unable to digest and understand anything about a playbook in the 3 years he was here.He is a smart ,humble hard working kid.I continue to be amazed at the constant attacks and cheap shots he is getting from some talking heads and some haters who are looking for something to nitpick to degrade him.I know what i saw for 3 years and i say again i have never read nor heard anything knocking this kid.Another thing to understand is that the newspaper and some of the media in this area is anti-University of Louisville and basically a University of Kentucky Mouthpeice.So any negative things concerning Jackson would be magnified by the local newsrag.

 

[az jam]

Lamar Jackson will go in the first round of the draft. I think there may be some teams that would move just in front of the Cards, like trading for the Packers pick #14, to get him. Cards lost out last year on Watson and Maholmes by sitting.

 

[BW52]

I think that score is a concern and teams will have to really use their private visits with him to see if it is an accurate reflection of his football IQ and ability to learn at the next level. Too bad we don't have a new version of Grudens QB Camp with him on it with a new coach of course (Arians would be entertaining doing that IMO). I remember last year coming away impressed with Mahomes on that.

Personally I hope we draft him at 15 if he is there, I think there is just too much potential to ignore.

I read and heard Jackson met with 17 teams at the combine and all 32 teams showed for his PRO Day.Also read that he will be meeting with se veral teams over the next 3 weeks in private meetings.

 

[BigRedRage]

I think Jackson likely didn`t take the Wonderlich seriously.I have never heard or read anything about him being unable to digest and understand anything about a playbook in the 3 years he was here.He is a smart ,humble hard working kid.I continue to be amazed at the constant attacks and cheap shots he is getting from some talking heads and some haters who are looking for something to nitpick to degrade him.I know what i saw for 3 years and i say again i have never read nor heard anything knocking this kid.Another thing to understand is that the newspaper and some of the media in this area is anti-University of Louisville and basically a University of Kentucky Mouthpeice.So any negative things concerning Jackson would be magnified by the local newsrag.

You do not take caution about a kid who has Multi million dollars on the line not taking tests to get the job seriously? Each draft slot gets paid less than the last one. If he just "drew a picture in bubbles" to complete the test and move on, it really shows a lack of desire IMO.

 

[BW52]

You do not take caution about a kid who has Multi million dollars on the line not taking tests to get the job seriously? Each draft slot gets paid less than the last one. If he just "drew a picture in bubbles" to complete the test and move on, it really shows a lack of desire IMO.

I can`t pretend to know what he was thinking by any means.All i know is what i have stated repeatedly is that there has never been anything negative said or written expressing concern about his ability to understand and execute a playbook during his time here at Louisville.I have read that he is telling teams that want him to workout at different positions "no thanks.i am a QB only".Draw your own conclusions as everyone will do.Jackson could have scored a 40 on the wonderlich and it wouldn`t make any difference to some on this board.

 

[cardpa]

The Wonderlic has wide application and is used in many other business settings---it was used in the 1930's on and was used to determine pilots for WWII, etc. Cowpies were the first team to use it to rate draft candidates. Variations of the Wonderlic (under different names) has been used in different areas to determine cognitive ability and also to establish base-line minimum scores for a given profession (believe a '22' is a baseline for a QB). Contrary to some comments on the forum, it is considered a valid test of adult intelligence.

You make the comment It's quite apparent Jackson didn't even bother to brush up on the Wonderlic. Do you have knowledge that he didn't prep for this test???

For example, some of the test questions require an application of basic practical math on how to find the % the cost of item that will be added to pay tax on a purchase. You need to know to convert a % to a decimal and then multiply the cost of the item times the decimal value for the tax. That gives the amount in tax. Then add that amount to the cost of the item for the total price. Once you recognize the question, you can apply the above---the trick comes in when you are asked to work backwards---you are given total price and the tax amount and are asked to calculate the % that you paid in taxes.

You get duplicate type of questions on the exam as a means to check for guessing---if you get question #5 correct and it was a 'calculate the percent tax' question but then missed the exact type of question of #28 and #40---did you guess on #5? You can earn a few points by
guessing so don't leave any item blank. You got a 25% chance to guess right on a 4 choice item---and should get close to 12 just by guessing. Go ahead and try it on a 50 sample test.

It just doesn't 'click' for some people to understand the logical flow. Even after repeated practice and tutoring (I taught 9th grade math back in the dark ages and would have kids who just didn't understand no matter how hard we both worked and how many different ways I tried to teach it).

The other important thing to keep in mind is the possibility of a learning disability---dyslexia is a possibility.

https://www.understood.org/en/learn...-disabilities/dyslexia/understanding-dyslexia

Some have a terrible time being able to read---if the person can have the problem given to them verbally or visually---they can solve the problem. Very intelligent people can have this issue to the frustration of parents and teachers. They learn info but when it comes time to take a test where they have to read and respond, they do miserably. A big puzzle to parents because they know their kid is 'smart' and still brings home poor grades. A high percentage of people suffer this problem.

I don't know if LJ has a learning disability . . . but it is something to consider given the low Wonderlic (and I bet he got plenty of tutoring from his school) and the avoidance of blackboard time with teams and private interviews. I know I had several kids in my Practical Math class who fit the definition---and got 'it' when I asked them the questions instead of having them read the questions.

A lot of different abilities are needed in a pro QB including cognitive ability---especially with the complicated playbooks and defensive schemes that require the exact type of pressure to perform as the logic problems in the Wonderlic. Every single play requires an instant read, process, react challenge for the QB. He's got to learn the playbook, learn the D he is facing that week, know the calls and translate that into action---a ability that washes out a lot of promising college QBs (another reason you want a young vet and not a draftee that you paid 4 #1 picks---who has never played a down in the NFL).

The same ability to scan a written problem, analyze it for what is being asked, and proceed to a solution will be the same task a QB will have to go through when he steps to the line and looks over the opposing D. Instead of the framework for solving a '% tax' problem, he is solving a 'where to go with the football' problem.

Surprisingly, the Wonderlic scores have a negative correlation with cover CBs --here, the ability is to mirror and flow with WR---and not get paralysis by analysis. (PP2 got a 9 on his Wonderlic and does a pretty good job blanketing his WR responsibility).

Wonderlic homepage with lots of info:

http://wonderlictestsample.com/

If Jackson had spent any time prepping for this test he should have scored better than he did. You can get a 13 just by getting the really simple questions correct and there are some really simple questions asked. We're talking middle school level questions. If he has a learning disability then all the more reason to get some help to prep for it. I suspect it wasn't important to him. When you take that into account and the fact that he won't run a 40 time and do some other things, it makes you wonder where his head is. Is he trying to steer this whole effort a certain way or is he concerned about exposing something that would negatively affect his draft status. For me it's just a gut feeling that all is not right in Lamar Jackson land. If you are trying to latch onto one of the most lucrative jobs going then you would think a person would be turning over every stone to shine as bright as possible. I don't see Jackson doing that. It's almost like he's trying to dictate the direction this is going. I may be completely off base here but it's how I see it.

 

[BW52]

If Jackson had spent any time prepping for this test he should have scored better than he did. You can get a 13 just by getting the really simple questions correct and there are some really simple questions asked. We're talking middle school level questions. If he has a learning disability then all the more reason to get some help to prep for it. I suspect it wasn't important to him. When you take that into account and the fact that he won't run a 40 time and do some other things, it makes you wonder where his head is. Is he trying to steer this whole effort a certain way or is he concerned about exposing something that would negatively affect his draft status. For me it's just a gut feeling that all is not right in Lamar Jackson land. If you are trying to latch onto one of the most lucrative jobs going then you would think a person would be turning over every stone to shine as bright as possible. I don't see Jackson doing that. It's almost like he's trying to dictate the direction this is going. I may be completely off base here but it's how I see it.

There has never been any mention of any learning disability .I think he is trying to steer away from the other position nonsense.He says "scouts can watch my game tape do see how i run"..From what i heard yesterday was that his entire ProDay was focused on showing his ability under center and his passing.To me and several others it looks like Lamar has bulked up a bit also.You could be right in him dictating the direction of this process is heading.I have heard that he has politely told some teams " no thanks " that wanted him at other positions.
I think he should have hired a agent (he is acting as his own agent) his mother is his manager he says.I think he is not playing the game the way some people think he should be playing and i think that ruffled some feathers.from what i have heard lately is that he will be having meetings with several teams in the next 3 weeks.

 

[BillsCarnage]

One would think for an accurate correlation to the position, speed in processing information is a main aspect... does anyone know how long they have to take the Wonderlic

50 questions in 12 minutes, i believe.

 

[BigRedRage]

I can`t pretend to know what he was thinking by any means.All i know is what i have stated repeatedly is that there has never been anything negative said or written expressing concern about his ability to understand and execute a playbook during his time here at Louisville.I have read that he is telling teams that want him to workout at different positions "no thanks.i am a QB only".Draw your own conclusions as everyone will do.Jackson could have scored a 40 on the wonderlich and it wouldn`t make any difference to some on this board.

Again, because he is available, my hope is that hes great in many ways. a 40 wonderlic would've had me stoked

 

[GimmedaBall]

If Jackson had spent any time prepping for this test he should have scored better than he did. You can get a 13 just by getting the really simple questions correct and there are some really simple questions asked. We're talking middle school level questions. If he has a learning disability then all the more reason to get some help to prep for it. I suspect it wasn't important to him. When you take that into account and the fact that he won't run a 40 time and do some other things, it makes you wonder where his head is. Is he trying to steer this whole effort a certain way or is he concerned about exposing something that would negatively affect his draft status. For me it's just a gut feeling that all is not right in Lamar Jackson land. If you are trying to latch onto one of the most lucrative jobs going then you would think a person would be turning over every stone to shine as bright as possible. I don't see Jackson doing that. It's almost like he's trying to dictate the direction this is going. I may be completely off base here but it's how I see it.

Do you know for a fact that LJ did not prepare or practice for the Wonderlic? That is a 'Yes' or 'No' question.

What can you possibly know as to how important it is to LJ to do well on this test---he wants to be a pro-NFL QB. Did he personally tell you or state anywhere that the Wonderlic doesn't matter to him. That is a 'Yes' of 'No' question.

If you don't know, please stop asserting that he didn't practice or prep or that it was not important to him.

I've been critical of LJ's decision to not run at the combine and at his pro-day. I see it as a poor decision when applying for a job and refusing to do what potential employers are asking of everyone in the hiring process. On second thought, I think we need to fully understand the 'Why' before we heap criticism on this young man.

Like I stated in my last post, there can be other reasons for not doing well on the Wonderlic---plenty that have nothing at all to do with effort or practice time.

Major college programs have an army of tutors to help their athletes get through their classes, prepare for exams, write term papers, pick a major, etc. It would be a very big surprise if they didn't have a program to prep their football players for the Wonderlic. The scores their players earn on the Wonderlic reflects back on the entire University and the football program as well.

Let's wait for more facts before we draw too hasty a conclusion.

 

[GimmedaBall]

There has never been any mention of any learning disability .I think he is trying to steer away from the other position nonsense.He says "scouts can watch my game tape do see how i run"..From what i heard yesterday was that his entire ProDay was focused on showing his ability under center and his passing.To me and several others it looks like Lamar has bulked up a bit also.You could be right in him dictating the direction of this process is heading.I have heard that he has politely told some teams " no thanks " that wanted him at other positions.
I think he should have hired a agent (he is acting as his own agent) his mother is his manager he says.I think he is not playing the game the way some people think he should be playing and i think that ruffled some feathers.from what i have heard lately is that he will be having meetings with several teams in the next 3 weeks.

A learning disability would not prevent him from running a 40 and getting timed. The concern I would have is that he is hiding an injury and would not be able to put up the 4.3 he claimed he can run.

A whole lot of red flags going up. LJ needs to come clean if there is anything he is dealing with be it health (running) and/or reason for the low Wonderlic. If not, he is simply giving plenty of teams reasons to NOT draft him instead of giving them reasons to draft him.

My guess is that guys in the draft room who are high on him will back off and go with the guys who are against him if he keeps racking up negative red flags.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What a garbage comment especially from Tattoo U.

Good one .

 

[Garthshort]

Is it a certainty that Arizona wants Jackson over Rudolph?

 

[Shane]

Must have been his impressive Wonderlic score...

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That test measures intelligence.. Not common sense and decision making or if you have an addictive personality..

 

[Shane]

Is it a certainty that Arizona wants Jackson over Rudolph?

I hope Not

 

[Southpaw]

Cam Newton
DanMarino
Donovan McNabb

3 out of how many?

Heard this story. Cam Newton could not make the calls in the huddle when signaled in so Greg Olsen did it for 3 years. Ouch.

 

[Southpaw]

Do you know for a fact that LJ did not prepare or practice for the Wonderlic? That is a 'Yes' or 'No' question.

What can you possibly know as to how important it is to LJ to do well on this test---he wants to be a pro-NFL QB. Did he personally tell you or state anywhere that the Wonderlic doesn't matter to him. That is a 'Yes' of 'No' question.

If you don't know, please stop asserting that he didn't practice or prep or that it was not important to him.

I've been critical of LJ's decision to not run at the combine and at his pro-day. I see it as a poor decision when applying for a job and refusing to do what potential employers are asking of everyone in the hiring process. On second thought, I think we need to fully understand the 'Why' before we heap criticism on this young man.

Like I stated in my last post, there can be other reasons for not doing well on the Wonderlic---plenty that have nothing at all to do with effort or practice time.

Major college programs have an army of tutors to help their athletes get through their classes, prepare for exams, write term papers, pick a major, etc. It would be a very big surprise if they didn't have a program to prep their football players for the Wonderlic. The scores their players earn on the Wonderlic reflects back on the entire University and the football program as well.

Let's wait for more facts before we draw too hasty a conclusion.

Using your own logic do you know he did prep. Yes or no?

 

[TJ]

I can`t pretend to know what he was thinking by any means.All i know is what i have stated repeatedly is that there has never been anything negative said or written expressing concern about his ability to understand and execute a playbook during his time here at Louisville.I have read that he is telling teams that want him to workout at different positions "no thanks.i am a QB only".Draw your own conclusions as everyone will do.Jackson could have scored a 40 on the wonderlich and it wouldn`t make any difference to some on this board.

The Wonderlic is one of those tests in which you have nothing to gain from a great score and much to lose from a bad score.

If Jackson scored a 40, it wouldn't have done anything to help his draft stock. A score of 13 raises a few red flags. For starters, lack of preparation. Much of the quarterback position is about studying the playbook and the opponent. These days, prospects are mindful of what they need to do to prepare for combines, pro days, etc., and not all of it has to do with conditioning and throwing. Rehearsing answers during mock interviews and doing mock Wonderlic exams is just as important. In this day and age of college football in which plays and pre-snap reads are executed from the sidelines, it's important for NFL teams to know that a prospective QB can ditch that habit to learn to do things on his own and on the line of scrimmage.

Overall, I haven't been impressed with how Lamar Jackson has handled the process leading up to the draft. Having an agent representing you is important and Lamar could've had his pick of top-tier agents. Choosing his mom as his manager was a poor decision as she doesn't understand the nuances of this process. Additionally, unless there's an injury we don't know about, he should be running the 40. I don't care if he thinks teams are trying to convert him to WR. He should be selling teams on how he's a first-round quarterback during interviews and in practices. I mean, he has a great baseline from his film as it is.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Using your own logic do you know he did prep. Yes or no?

I do not know if he prepped for the the Wonderlic. I never claimed that he did.

I also stated that: Major college programs have an army of tutors to help their athletes get through their classes, prepare for exams, write term papers, pick a major, etc. It would be a very big surprise if they didn't have a program to prep their football players for the Wonderlic. The scores their players earn on the Wonderlic reflects back on the entire University and the football program as well.

Here's the website for Louisville's athletic tutoring (80 tutors). Check out the video that provides a tour of the facility:

https://gocards.com/sports/2015/3/26/GEN_2014010174.aspx?id=74

I sent an email asking if they provided Wonderlic tutoring. Did not ask if LJ participated---I think that might be too invasive. If I get a reply, I will post on this thread.