2018 Draft: Wonderlic Scores of top QBs

[Chopper0080]

I think Jackson likely didn`t take the Wonderlich seriously.I have never heard or read anything about him being unable to digest and understand anything about a playbook in the 3 years he was here.He is a smart ,humble hard working kid.I continue to be amazed at the constant attacks and cheap shots he is getting from some talking heads and some haters who are looking for something to nitpick to degrade him.I know what i saw for 3 years and i say again i have never read nor heard anything knocking this kid.Another thing to understand is that the newspaper and some of the media in this area is anti-University of Louisville and basically a University of Kentucky Mouthpeice.So any negative things concerning Jackson would be magnified by the local newsrag.

So biggest interview of a person's life, and the person "didn't take it seriously"...your statement. And this is the type of guy you are banging the drum to be your QB? That is like the employee who interviews for a executive position on wall street in jeans and a t-shirt.

Personally, I think he is seeing what happens when you don't have an agent. These are the people who know the process and prepare you for it. He made a choice and is now paying for it, potentially to the tune of millions of dollars.

 

[BW52]

So biggest interview of a person's life, and the person "didn't take it seriously"...your statement. And this is the type of guy you are banging the drum to be your QB? That is like the employee who interviews for a executive position on wall street in jeans and a t-shirt.

Personally, I think he is seeing what happens when you don't have an agent. These are the people who know the process and prepare you for it. He made a choice and is now paying for it, potentially to the tune of millions of dollars.

That could be .He apparently is going to do things his way.I don`t completely agree doing that.Like i said earlier....Jackson could have gotten a 40 on the Wonderlich and some people would just find someting else to rip on him.When i see or read something from a real NFL GM or Coach knocking Jackson`s intelligence or ability to digest and execute a playbook.............when and if that happens? Until then .

 

[Shane]

So biggest interview of a person's life, and the person "didn't take it seriously"...your statement. And this is the type of guy you are banging the drum to be your QB? That is like the employee who interviews for a executive position on wall street in jeans and a t-shirt.

Personally, I think he is seeing what happens when you don't have an agent. These are the people who know the process and prepare you for it. He made a choice and is now paying for it, potentially to the tune of millions of dollars.

Possibly.. But there are people with agents that have bombed that test. You shouldn't have to "prepare" fora Wonderlich to get higher then a 13 IMO...

 

[TJ]

Possibly.. But there are people with agents that have bombed that test. You shouldn't have to "prepare" fora Wonderlich to get higher then a 13 IMO...

But preparation is the test within the test, which is why there’s no value difference between scoring a 26 and a 44.

I’ve taken the Wonderlic before for job interviews. They didn’t tell us ahead of time, soI had no opportunity to prepare or practice. I could definitely see the value in preparing for it as it tests not only knowledge, but processing and fluency as it’s a timed exam.

 

[Shane]

But preparation is the test within the test, which is why there’s no value difference between scoring a 26 and a 44.

I’ve taken th Wonderlic before for job interviews. I could definitely see the value in preparing for it as it tests not only knowledge, but processing and fluency as it’s a timed exam.

Oh it would def help I'm sure..But not necessarily either. Many still bomb it.. And as said you should be able to attain higher then 13 as a college educated student with zero preparation IMO

 

[moklerman]

Acing the Wonderlic can help your draft stock too. Fitzpatrick and Gabbert both benefited from standing out with their scores IMO.

 

[TJ]

Oh it would def help I'm sure..But not necessarily either. Many still bomb it.. And as said you should be able to attain higher then 13 as a college educated student with zero preparation IMO

I guess, but remember, it’s not just the content of the exam, it’s the time you’re allotted to take the exam that also impacts results. The questions are not hard, but they do require thought to answer.

 

[BW52]

Acing the Wonderlic can help your draft stock too. Fitzpatrick and Gabbert both benefited from standing out with their scores IMO.

Wasn`t Fitzpatrick a IVY league guy?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'll let the tape speak for itself. Obviously he did not prepare for it. I watch him this morning in his interview with Mayock and the kid seemed pretty sharp. He answered all of MMs questions without hesitation as to where the ball goes in this look or that look, even when the coverage changed. He was nails, I think this kid is a special talent. there are some warts and that is why I think he drops to 15, if he didn't have these warts he would be first off the board. I'm putting all my eggs in the LJ basket and have for quite sometime.

So he is either just not smart or he didn't prepare? Either way seems like cause for concern. I want a QB that takes the time to make sure they are prepared to succeed.

 

[moklerman]

Wasn`t Fitzpatrick a IVY league guy?

Haaaaarvard!

 

[Southpaw]

That could be .He apparently is going to do things his way.I don`t completely agree doing that.Like i said earlier....Jackson could have gotten a 40 on the Wonderlich and some people would just find someting else to rip on him.When i see or read something from a real NFL GM or Coach knocking Jackson`s intelligence or ability to digest and execute a playbook.............when and if that happens? Until then .

That will never happen.

 

[BW52]

Haaaaarvard!

every time i see or read that i think of PT109 and Cliff Robertson saying that to TY Hardin.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Or he was just focused on being the best QB he can be and not worried about a stupid test. Either way it is not an indicator of if he'll be a good QB or not. Imo

It makes me question his judgment and who influences him. This is all part of the biggest job interview of your life. Blowing off parts of it (like the wonderlic prep if he truly blew it off) and running the 40 (where could really excel) are the dumbest decisions I’ve seen made when millions of dollars are riding on your production.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Those scores only show that Allen is more white than the others, thus will definitely be the more elite QB.

 

[Shane]

Those scores only show that Allen is more white than the others, thus will definitely be the more elite QB.

Where the eff did you come from... WOW

 

[Jetstream Green]

The only thing which the Wonderlic really can express is how quickly a QB will be able to assimilate a NFL playbook because the test is strictly analytical with numbers for the most part and shows nothing about his overall intelligence, and not that he won't be able to learn a playbook. A guy like Victor Hugo or Vincent Van Gogh might have sucked at that test but you surely would not call them stupid. Take a look at the quotes by Stephen Hawking, anything removed from his brilliance in abstract thought in his field of physics sound rather cliche and uninspiring to say the least. I do not think LJ's score means he cannot visually read a defense in real time for example but will just take time to understand the terminology of his pro playbook before he can apply to what he already knows. The guy has played football his whole life, familiar with the knowledge of the sport, and his instincts on the playing field trump whether or not he can crunch numbers or excel at letter games, which though do show a spectrum of intelligence, do not define intelligence

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Those scores only show that Allen is more white than the others, thus will definitely be the more elite QB.

El Oh El. That's got to be hall of fame for worst comments ever made. Bravo!

 

[Jetstream Green]

Those scores only show that Allen is more white than the others, thus will definitely be the more elite QB.

Now, that is racist and requires a ban... even more so than the use of vulgarity on this forum because that is a personal attack on the character of all who identify themselves as a Cardinal fan

 

[TJ]

Those scores only show that Allen is more white than the others, thus will definitely be the more elite QB.

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[GimmedaBall]

The only thing which the Wonderlic really can express is how quickly a QB will be able to assimilate a NFL playbook because the test is strictly analytical with numbers for the most part and shows nothing about his overall intelligence, and not that he won't be able to learn a playbook. A guy like Victor Hugo or Vincent Van Gogh might have sucked at that test but you surely would not call them stupid. Take a look at the quotes by Stephen Hawking, anything removed from his brilliance in abstract thought in his field of physics sound rather cliche and uninspiring to say the least. I do not think LJ's score means he cannot visually read a defense in real time for example but will just take time to understand the terminology of his pro playbook before he can apply to what he already knows. The guy has played football his whole life, familiar with the knowledge of the sport, and his instincts on the playing field trump whether or not he can crunch numbers or excel at letter games, which though do show a spectrum of intelligence, do not define intelligence

You are drawing a distinction between 'right-brain' and 'left-brain' thinkers. The idea has been popular for some time although it is currently in dispute.

The original concept was that those who are right-brained are supposed to be intuitive and creative free thinkers. They are “qualitative,” big-picture thinkers who experience the world in terms that are descriptive or subjective. For example, “The skies are gray and menacing; I wonder if it’s going to rain?”

Meanwhile, left-brained people tend to be more quantitative and analytical. They pay attention to details and are ruled by logic. Their view of the weather is more likely, “The forecast said there was only a 30% chance of rain but those cumulonimbus clouds will probably bring thunder as well as rain.”

Another dimension is social intelligence---how we get along with and relate to one another.

The aspect of intelligence that an employer is looking for is defined by the test they use to measure it. Unfortunately for the 'right-brains' and those with high social intelligence are not rated as high as those who are left-brain and analytical when it comes to the NFL use of the Wonderlic. Think of the NFL players who are 'out-there' ---chances are they are right-brain/creative types. Not many QBs fall into that category.

A more recent article from Psychological Reports, however, showed that the Wonderlic was highly accurate at testing overall intellectual functioning, but is not as accurate at determining levels of fluid or crystallized intelligence. In other words, it is great at identifying sharp, quick-witted concrete thinkers, but not so great at measuring the intelligence of “outside-the-box” thinkers.

from http://wonderlictestsample.com/

 

[GimmedaBall]

Mike Jurecki (@mikejurecki) tweeted at 1:59 PM on Thu, Mar 29, 2018:
FWIW in a column for Sports Illustrated, Edward Krupat, PhD, wrote, that the Wonderlic is "an outdated way of thinking about intelligence when it comes to predicting performance on the football field."

Problem is teams are still using it as an intelligence test and it has become Standard Operating Procedure.

 

[Jetstream Green]

You are drawing a distinction between 'right-brain' and 'left-brain' thinkers. The idea has been popular for some time although it is currently in dispute.

The original concept was that those who are right-brained are supposed to be intuitive and creative free thinkers. They are “qualitative,” big-picture thinkers who experience the world in terms that are descriptive or subjective. For example, “The skies are gray and menacing; I wonder if it’s going to rain?”

Meanwhile, left-brained people tend to be more quantitative and analytical. They pay attention to details and are ruled by logic. Their view of the weather is more likely, “The forecast said there was only a 30% chance of rain but those cumulonimbus clouds will probably bring thunder as well as rain.”

Another dimension is social intelligence---how we get along with and relate to one another.

The aspect of intelligence that an employer is looking for is defined by the test they use to measure it. Unfortunately for the 'right-brains' and those with high social intelligence are not rated as high as those who are left-brain and analytical when it comes to the NFL use of the Wonderlic. Think of the NFL players who are 'out-there' ---chances are they are right-brain/creative types. Not many QBs fall into that category.

A more recent article from Psychological Reports, however, showed that the Wonderlic was highly accurate at testing overall intellectual functioning, but is not as accurate at determining levels of fluid or crystallized intelligence. In other words, it is great at identifying sharp, quick-witted concrete thinkers, but not so great at measuring the intelligence of “outside-the-box” thinkers.

from http://wonderlictestsample.com/

I have no reservations that doing well on the Wonderlic will show how a potential QB can process the playbook but only wanted to point out that it does not fully determine the level of intelligence. I'm a professor, in the field of Fine Art and cultural history. I can take the IQ test which is more standardize and my results will show average intelligence, if I take one which is more contemplative and visually oriented I grade out as extremely intelligent. You are correct that what I am differentiating is the 'left' and 'right' brain, though it's probably more complex that just two areas of intellectual ability. Only wanted to make it known that LJ's Wonderlic score does not mean he is stupid by any stretch of the imagination, though as you pointed out those analytical scores do have some bearing for his profession. I think as some posted he probably did not approach the test with a sense of significance, be it foolhardiness for the most important job interview of his life or the misguided approach of not having an agent

 

[THESMEL]

lower the IQ score the better one follows direction...

 

[cardpa]

Do you know for a fact that LJ did not prepare or practice for the Wonderlic? That is a 'Yes' or 'No' question.

What can you possibly know as to how important it is to LJ to do well on this test---he wants to be a pro-NFL QB. Did he personally tell you or state anywhere that the Wonderlic doesn't matter to him. That is a 'Yes' of 'No' question.

If you don't know, please stop asserting that he didn't practice or prep or that it was not important to him.

I've been critical of LJ's decision to not run at the combine and at his pro-day. I see it as a poor decision when applying for a job and refusing to do what potential employers are asking of everyone in the hiring process. On second thought, I think we need to fully understand the 'Why' before we heap criticism on this young man.

Like I stated in my last post, there can be other reasons for not doing well on the Wonderlic---plenty that have nothing at all to do with effort or practice time.

Major college programs have an army of tutors to help their athletes get through their classes, prepare for exams, write term papers, pick a major, etc. It would be a very big surprise if they didn't have a program to prep their football players for the Wonderlic. The scores their players earn on the Wonderlic reflects back on the entire University and the football program as well.

Let's wait for more facts before we draw too hasty a conclusion.

Of course I don't know if he studied for the test or not just as you have no idea if he did or didn't either. What I can say is "IF" he did study for it and still got a 13, that is not a good sign. If he didn't study and scored a 13 it's still not a good sign. Did you go to the link and give it a try? It's 50 questions in 12 minutes. There are enough simple and I mean simple questions that anyone who has a high school education can score a 12-13 without even trying to answer the questions that require some thought and logical processing. Some of the questions were as follows:

3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 13 which number doesn't belong. If Joe had 287 apples and then received 168 more how many apples does he have. If Ed and Joe are 10 meters apart and then walked 5 meters away from each other, then turned left and walked 3 meters, then turned left again and walked 3 meters how far apart would they now be?

In my opinion these are really simple questions that most anyone should be able to figure out the answer in a few seconds at most. Let's make an assumption that your assumption of having a program to help football players at the university is correct. If he received help and still scored a 13 on the test do you think that's a good score?

 

[cardncubfan]

I'm pretty sure Sissy's comment was sarcasm but even so probably shouldn't have been made.