2018 Draft: Wonderlic Scores of top QBs

[Shane]

I'm pretty sure Sissy's comment was sarcasm but even so probably shouldn't have been made.

That is not sarcasm! Not in anyway shape or form that is ignorance of the highest order!

 

[GimmedaBall]

I have no reservations that doing well on the Wonderlic will show how a potential QB can process the playbook but only wanted to point out that it does not fully determine the level of intelligence. I'm a professor, in the field of Fine Art and cultural history. I can take the IQ test which is more standardize and my results will show average intelligence, if I take one which is more contemplative and visually oriented I grade out as extremely intelligent. You are correct that what I am differentiating is the 'left' and 'right' brain, though it's probably more complex that just two areas of intellectual ability. Only wanted to make it known that LJ's Wonderlic score does not mean he is stupid by any stretch of the imagination, though as you pointed out those analytical scores do have some bearing for his profession. I think as some posted he probably did not approach the test with a sense of significance, be it foolhardiness for the most important job interview of his life or the misguided approach of not having an agent

Just out of curiosity---do you have any idea on how many of the students majoring in Fine Arts/Cultural History at your school are on the football team?

True that the American notion of intelligence is skewed toward the logical, analytical, math, etc and discounts those who are more creative, artistic, etc.

There is also the cultural aspect to what is considered 'intelligence.' For example, Eskimos have over 50 words to describe snow whereas someone living in Phoenix AZ has one---guess how 'intelligent' someone from Phoenix would appear on the Eskimo Wonderlic test. LOL.

A quickie test to determine if you are a 'right brain' or a 'left brain' http://braintest.sommer-sommer.com/en/

(The left half of the brain controls the right side of the body while the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body.)

For artists, Drawing on the Right-side of the Brain by Betty Edwards

 

[GimmedaBall]

Now, that is racist and requires a ban... even more so than the use of vulgarity on this forum because that is a personal attack on the character of all who identify themselves as a Cardinal fan

Agree.

 

[cardncubfan]

That is not sarcasm! Not in anyway shape or form that is ignorance of the highest order!

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think Allen is the highest rated QB. That alone tells you it's sarcasm. In poor taste mind you but sarcasm none the less. His prior posts show that he watches a lot of college ball. He knows what Allen is & it sure isn't the highest rated QB.

Forgot to add imo.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Of course I don't know if he studied for the test or not just as you have no idea if he did or didn't either. What I can say is "IF" he did study for it and still got a 13, that is not a good sign. If he didn't study and scored a 13 it's still not a good sign. Did you go to the link and give it a try? It's 50 questions in 12 minutes. There are enough simple and I mean simple questions that anyone who has a high school education can score a 12-13 without even trying to answer the questions that require some thought and logical processing. Some of the questions were as follows:

3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 13 which number doesn't belong. If Joe had 287 apples and then received 168 more how many apples does he have. If Ed and Joe are 10 meters apart and then walked 5 meters away from each other, then turned left and walked 3 meters, then turned left again and walked 3 meters how far apart would they now be?

In my opinion these are really simple questions that most anyone should be able to figure out the answer in a few seconds at most. Let's make an assumption that your assumption of having a program to help football players at the university is correct. If he received help and still scored a 13 on the test do you think that's a good score?

Good point on if LJ did or did not prep for the Wonderlic. Since the initial post, I looked up the website for Louisville Cards Tutoring Program for their athletes---they have an entire building available to tutor the scholar-athletes attending school.

https://gocards.com/sports/2015/3/26/GEN_2014010174.aspx?id=74

Plenty of opportunity there with 80 tutors available. LJ is in hot water if he failed to take advantage and, even if he did, he's in hot water for the terrible score.

One thing to keep in mind. There are reasons some cannot take a written test and it has nothing to do with their innate IQ---learning disabilities are very real and something a lot of people have to cope with.

LJ just needs to be upfront with his Wonderlic score and also his refusal to run. He's stated he doesn't want to be a WR but a QB---teams will still want to see him run. If there is any explanation for the 13---he should address that with teams as well. He can have his privacy in that regard as long as the teams know full well what he has to offer. We'll find out on draft day if these issues mattered to teams looking for a QB.

All the best to the young man as he pursues his dream to play in the NFL.

 

[Vacard]

That is not sarcasm! Not in anyway shape or form that is ignorance of the highest order!

And yet you justify a black man being shot at 20 times!! You kidding me?? Chin up!

 

[Shane]

And yet you justify a black man being shot at 20 times!! You kidding me?? Chin up!

It can be justified... hahaha... in the instance in question I specifically stated it seems to be too much... This is a false equivalent lol.... nice try though...

 

[Vacard]

It can be justified... hahaha... in the instance in question I specifically stated it seems to be too much... This is a false equivalent lol.... nice try though...

No it can’t. You cry about a message post that was sarcasm yet you support 20 shift to someone who wasn’t a threat. Your hypocrscy was exposed. Get over it.

 

[Shane]

No it can’t. You cry about a message post that was sarcasm yet you support 20 shift to someone who wasn’t a threat. Your hypocrscy was exposed. Get over it.

Yea you clearly are very clueless... When you’ve been engaged and are in a fire fight with a suspect trying to kill you then and only then can you tell me 20 rounds is never justified....

 

[Shane]

No it can’t. You cry about a message post that was sarcasm yet you support 20 shift to someone who wasn’t a threat. Your hypocrscy was exposed. Get over it.

And can you quote my post that I said 20 was justified in the Sacramento shooting???

 

[Vacard]

Yea you clearly are very clueless... When you’ve been engaged and are in a fire fight with a suspect trying to kill you then and only then can you tell me 20 rounds is never justified....

As a military vet whose deployed I can tell you there’s NOTHING that can justify 20 shots to a person WHOSE NEVER EVEN SHOT BACK. Talking about he deserved to die and the autopsy exposed their LIES but you sitting up in here bitching about a post shows you’re a hypocrite!

You’re most likely a rent-a-cop whose never fired a gun and does posh babysitting security jobs thinking he’s in danger waiting for his pension talking about firefights like you’re LA SWAT! Hilarious!

 

[Shane]

As a military vet whose deployed I can tell you there’s NOTHING that can justify 20 shots to a person WHOSE NEVER EVEN SHOT BACK. Talking about he deserved to die and the autopsy exposed their LIES but you sitting up in here bitching about a post shows you’re a hypocrite!

You’re most likely a rent-a-cop whose never fired a gun and does posh babysitting security jobs thinking he’s in danger waiting for his pension talking about firefights like you’re LA SWAT! Hilarious!

Yea you got me sooooo pegged... How’d you know? hahaha

But Again please show me where I said that a non shooter and the subject in the call your referencing was justified??? Oh that’s right you can’t? SMH

 

[cardpa]

Good point on if LJ did or did not prep for the Wonderlic. Since the initial post, I looked up the website for Louisville Cards Tutoring Program for their athletes---they have an entire building available to tutor the scholar-athletes attending school.

https://gocards.com/sports/2015/3/26/GEN_2014010174.aspx?id=74

Plenty of opportunity there with 80 tutors available. LJ is in hot water if he failed to take advantage and, even if he did, he's in hot water for the terrible score.

One thing to keep in mind. There are reasons some cannot take a written test and it has nothing to do with their innate IQ---learning disabilities are very real and something a lot of people have to cope with.

LJ just needs to be upfront with his Wonderlic score and also his refusal to run. He's stated he doesn't want to be a WR but a QB---teams will still want to see him run. If there is any explanation for the 13---he should address that with teams as well. He can have his privacy in that regard as long as the teams know full well what he has to offer. We'll find out on draft day if these issues mattered to teams looking for a QB.

All the best to the young man as he pursues his dream to play in the NFL.

I'm not questioning his IQ at all. I truly understand learning disabilities as my daughter has one. It was a real struggle at times. As far as LJ is concerned your question of maybe not taking advantage of the resources available to him makes one wonder why. I just get the impression that he isn't doing everything he can to help himself. Maybe he's getting bad advice. We don't know what his childhood was like and certainly don't know what his Mom may have gone through. These could be factors on how they are approaching his preperation fo rthe draft. Let's hope they are making the right decisions and not hurting his future with questionable ones.

 

[Southpaw]

That is not sarcasm! Not in anyway shape or form that is ignorance of the highest order!

Sad excuse for humor on his part. Imagine the outcry if the "shade" was reversed.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I'm not questioning his IQ at all. I truly understand learning disabilities as my daughter has one. It was a real struggle at times. As far as LJ is concerned your question of maybe not taking advantage of the resources available to him makes one wonder why. I just get the impression that he isn't doing everything he can to help himself. Maybe he's getting bad advice. We don't know what his childhood was like and certainly don't know what his Mom may have gone through. These could be factors on how they are approaching his preperation fo rthe draft. Let's hope they are making the right decisions and not hurting his future with questionable ones.

No doubt that LJ has a special set of skills at QB and is a unique athlete playing football. His college stats and awards:

https://gocards.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=6874

That's why some of his decisions during the pre-draft process are so puzzling. He is acting the nonconformist trying to get a job in the very conformist NFL. He should be doing everything he can to separate himself from the other draft candidates and show teams he is worth the draft pick investment.

Instead, he is sending up red flags that, when taken into account by teams, will get him dropped and/or eliminated on their draft board. It will require some coaching effort to correct his throwing motion and eliminate his 'flutter' ball throws that will go for INTS in the pros---also, the O will have to be developed around his talent. Like the other QBs in this draft, he's not a plug-and-play QB who will work in every O but will need plays designed to his strengths---in his case as a runner.

All it takes is one team to turn in his name during the draft.

 

[Southpaw]

As a military vet whose deployed I can tell you there’s NOTHING that can justify 20 shots to a person WHOSE NEVER EVEN SHOT BACK. Talking about he deserved to die and the autopsy exposed their LIES but you sitting up in here bitching about a post shows you’re a hypocrite!

You’re most likely a rent-a-cop whose never fired a gun and does posh babysitting security jobs thinking he’s in danger waiting for his pension talking about firefights like you’re LA SWAT! Hilarious!

Nope... Shane is the real deal.

 

[gmabel830]

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[cardpa]

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Well not for everyone, I think Gimmedaball and I are having a nice discussion about Lamar Jackson.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Just out of curiosity---do you have any idea on how many of the students majoring in Fine Arts/Cultural History at your school are on the football team?

True that the American notion of intelligence is skewed toward the logical, analytical, math, etc and discounts those who are more creative, artistic, etc.

There is also the cultural aspect to what is considered 'intelligence.' For example, Eskimos have over 50 words to describe snow whereas someone living in Phoenix AZ has one---guess how 'intelligent' someone from Phoenix would appear on the Eskimo Wonderlic test. LOL.

A quickie test to determine if you are a 'right brain' or a 'left brain' http://braintest.sommer-sommer.com/en/

(The left half of the brain controls the right side of the body while the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body.)

For artists, Drawing on the Right-side of the Brain by Betty Edwards

Very few athletes enroll in Fine Arts but I do have few athletes every so often and a lot tend to be women in the basketball program, which is just a practical approach which I do not blame them in the least since they are already running a risk trying to make a living as a professional athlete. Like art, professional sports is feast or famine as a career. Society as a whole in the States is not very cultured anymore, and we are turning into Japan with a more trade school approach to doing one job and a individual is not as rounded in all fields as college used to be. Funny you mentioned Eskimos and their varied definitions for snow, because I think in Greek there are close to twenty seven definitions for love. English like German not being a very descriptive language lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

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Nah, we are just taking the scenic route... Lamar Jackson is an artist with the creative ways he can cause havoc on a defense

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Now, that is racist and requires a ban... even more so than the use of vulgarity on this forum because that is a personal attack on the character of all who identify themselves as a Cardinal fan

My only assumption of Cardinal fans was that they were smart enough to know something that has been accepted for decades now: That standardized tests are very discriminatory with regard to culture and economic diversity. That some of you wouldn't know this, is truly surprising. Allow me to educate those of you who criticized my statement.

"That the Wonderlic might have a built-in racial bias — like many standardized tests — is a common criticism. Studies have consistently found disparities in scores between white test takers and minorities, both among NFL players and people who are assigned the test for real-world jobs: the 2011 quarterback study, for instance, found that African-American QBs average a score of 20.2, while white QBs average 27.7.

It's unclear whether this sort of disparity is caused by an unfair test with questions that are inherently harder for minorities. But a 2012 study did find that NFL teams, on the whole, seem to interpret Wonderlic scores differently based on race: for a white player, a test score that's ten points higher leads to getting drafted 14.7 spots earlier, while for a black player, it only means a rise by 6.4 spots.

Companies other than the NFL that administer the Wonderlic to screen potential hires have repeatedly been sued on the grounds that the test is discriminatory. In 1971, as part of a case against Duke Energy, the Supreme Court ruled that because the test effectively discriminated on the basis of race and had no relationship with job performance, it couldn't be used."

 

[Ronin]

Wat?

 

[Jetstream Green]

My only assumption of Cardinal fans was that they were smart enough to know something that has been accepted for decades now: That standardized tests are very discriminatory with regard to culture and economic diversity. That some of you wouldn't know this, is truly surprising. Allow me to educate those of you who criticized my statement.

"That the Wonderlic might have a built-in racial bias — like many standardized tests — is a common criticism. Studies have consistently found disparities in scores between white test takers and minorities, both among NFL players and people who are assigned the test for real-world jobs: the 2011 quarterback study, for instance, found that African-American QBs average a score of 20.2, while white QBs average 27.7.

It's unclear whether this sort of disparity is caused by an unfair test with questions that are inherently harder for minorities. But a 2012 study did find that NFL teams, on the whole, seem to interpret Wonderlic scores differently based on race: for a white player, a test score that's ten points higher leads to getting drafted 14.7 spots earlier, while for a black player, it only means a rise by 6.4 spots.

Companies other than the NFL that administer the Wonderlic to screen potential hires have repeatedly been sued on the grounds that the test is discriminatory. In 1971, as part of a case against Duke Energy, the Supreme Court ruled that because the test effectively discriminated on the basis of race and had no relationship with job performance, it couldn't be used."

Then pull out a question from the Wonderlic which is racial in its disadvantage. I didn't think so and neither could the people making that observation... it's hard to have a racial variance on a test which is analytical since numbers have no particular inherent color

 

[GuernseyCard]

I've read that NFL teams also use AIQ testing, which removes cultural, ethnic and race bias.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Then pull out a question from the Wonderlic which is racial in its disadvantage. I didn't think so and neither could the people making that observation... it's hard to have a racial variance on a test which is analytical since numbers have no particular inherent color

Ya...pretty sure 1+1 always equals 2 no matter what race/color/ethnicity you are.