2018 NFL Draft Class: QB

[BleedRed]

MATTHEW STAFFORD!

For real!

 

[juza76]

Bridgewater?

 

[Solar7]

MATTHEW STAFFORD!

Like he's going to magically become available?

The pipe dreams of moving into the top 5 or getting Pro Bowl QBs are frustrating.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Like he's going to magically become available?

The pipe dreams of moving into the top 5 or getting Pro Bowl QBs are frustrating.

He's an unrestricted free agent next year. There is a legit chance that we could be high on his list of teams to go to.

 

[Solar7]

He's an unrestricted free agent next year. There is a legit chance that we could be high on his list of teams to go to.

An unrestricted free agent that will be unquestionably franchise tagged, because Detroit cannot afford to let him go.

 

[oaken1]

An unrestricted free agent that will be unquestionably franchise tagged, because Detroit cannot afford to let him go.

so whats your point? Most often when a player wants to move on his team will trade him off for a single first round pick even when he is tagged.
but if folks think it would cost us multiple first rounders to move up and pick a guy then why stress about trading two first rounders for a guy already nfl proven?

a franchise tag does not make a player unavailable..it just makes him expensive.......with the exception of course for the exclusive rights tag..but that cant be placed on Stafford

 

[Sunburn]

I'd trade two first rounders for Stafford in a heartbeat. He's only 29. Chances are those two picks spent on QB prospects would crap out, let alone be as good as Stafford.

 

[Sunburn]

Especially not into the late 20s or early 30s.

People need to accept we're not getting Peyton Manning, we're getting Andy Dalton and are going to have to pay or reach for it, barring a miracle.

Dalton went in the second round.

 

[Solar7]

so whats your point? Most often when a player wants to move on his team will trade him off for a single first round pick even when he is tagged.
but if folks think it would cost us multiple first rounders to move up and pick a guy then why stress about trading two first rounders for a guy already nfl proven?

a franchise tag does not make a player unavailable..it just makes him expensive.......with the exception of course for the exclusive rights tag..but that cant be placed on Stafford

It does actually make a player unavailable - it gives the team that applied the tag the ability to match the contract offered by the signing team. If a team is willing to pay any amount for a player (which they will do for their franchise QB), and "poison pill" contract terms can't happen anymore,that player isn't coming free. The exclusive rights tag is only slightly more ironclad, in that it restricts the player from negotiating with another team.

The price for a franchised, non-exclusive player, is still two first round picks, and a contract that the original franchise won't match.

They're already going to pay him a ridiculous amount of money, and we'd have to significantly outbid them for it.

My point: I don't understand why anyone is okay with backing ourselves into a corner where we're going to have to pay all-time money or compensation to someone that is not an all-time star because we did not try. I'm not saying this year's draft class is going to produce Dak Prescott, but we drafted Brandon Williams before Dak Prescott. Who we scouted. How can you not be mad that we didn't take a shot at a QB at all in the past three years? And that even if you want to count Barkley, we cut him?

In 2018 we are going to have to put all of our chips on one number and hope our wife doesn't kick us out of the house.

 

[Solar7]

Dalton went in the second round.

My point wasn't about the round that they went, but reasonably what we can hope from talent where we'll be picking and the situation we've forced our way into. The Bengals had literally no other option to replace Palmer, and were forced to take Dalton in the second round to start immediately. I like him enough, but he's panned constantly as a guy who can't win in the playoffs and needs to be replaced.

Dalton only has two, MAYBE 3 other useful QBs drafted between #15 and the end of the second round in the past ten years, and that's Carr and Flacco, with Kaepernick maybe out of the league.

The jury is out on Garoppolo, and Bridgewater was middling, but his career might be over.

That's essentially what we're looking at in the draft next year.

 

[Solar7]

Sorry, one last point before I head off to bed.

Keim himself called it a "chickens--- call" that he didn't take Russell Wilson after scouting him because he didn't come up with a good comp.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...hicken-bleep-call-not-to-take-russell-wilson/

My concern is that BASK has been talking themselves out of players for fear of not getting a perfect prospect. That's understandable for BA from a coaching position at his age, but as fans, we're going to suffer.

 

[juza76]

Sorry, one last point before I head off to bed.

Keim himself called it a "chickens--- call" that he didn't take Russell Wilson after scouting him because he didn't come up with a good comp.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...hicken-bleep-call-not-to-take-russell-wilson/

My concern is that BASK has been talking themselves out of players for fear of not getting a perfect prospect. That's understandable for BA from a coaching position at his age, but as fans, we're going to suffer.

And it repeat the same mistake with dak Prescott, not for comps but for a little misdemaneor

 

[cardsfanmd]

If "the guy" is available I go all Saints-for-Ricky Williams and trade our entire draft (including comp pics) to go up and get him. If he's a stud for 15 years he's worth every one of those picks.

If we go to the playoffs this year, "the guy" is going to cost a hell of a lot more than one year of picks.

 

[Garthshort]

Since Las Vegas has our over/under at 7.5 we should get a pretty good draft pick, next year. So there's that.

 

[Stout]

I'm with Solar7. It's laughable we're talking about how we'll get a QB from the 2018 class, because next year everyone will complain that the QB class is crap, that NEXT year it'll be better, so we should wait, again. Happens every fracking year, like a broken record. And every year, posters protest too much that no, really, THIS time it will be different! LOL As if anyone can believe that sentiment any more.

The more things change, the more they stay the same on this board. Problem is, our FO seems to have the same philosophy, which means we are royally boned.

 

[Veer]

Once QB prospects enter their senior year or declare for the draft, the scouts, pundits and fans start digging deeper into their tape and tons of flaws are "discovered". The flaws were always there though. Sam Darnold is considered a potential 1st overall pick right now. But if he doesn't improve his mechanics, he could just be what Pat Mahomes was in this class. Still a 1st round pick on pure talent, but nothing close to Andrew Luck or even Jameis Winston as a prospect.

 

[az jam]

I'm with Solar7. It's laughable we're talking about how we'll get a QB from the 2018 class, because next year everyone will complain that the QB class is crap, that NEXT year it'll be better, so we should wait, again. Happens every fracking year, like a broken record. And every year, posters protest too much that no, really, THIS time it will be different! LOL As if anyone can believe that sentiment any more.

The more things change, the more they stay the same on this board. Problem is, our FO seems to have the same philosophy, which means we are royally boned.

Good points, Stout. The Cards are going to be in scramble mode after the 2017 season looking everywhere for a qb. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." (i.e. Warner's retirement)

 

[POISON]

Mason Rudolph keeps showing up between picks 10 -20 in most mock drafts. I've watched this guy since day 1. His td/int ratio in 2016 is off the charts. Big arm that Arians likesand fairly mobile. Have to go to work or I'd put up career stats, maybe 1 of you guys can before I get back. He's worth looking at

 

[Stout]

Good points, Stout. The Cards are going to be in scramble mode after the 2017 season looking everywhere for a qb. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." (i.e. Warner's retirement)

+1 Billion

 

[Mitch]

I'm with Solar7. It's laughable we're talking about how we'll get a QB from the 2018 class, because next year everyone will complain that the QB class is crap, that NEXT year it'll be better, so we should wait, again. Happens every fracking year, like a broken record. And every year, posters protest too much that no, really, THIS time it will be different! LOL As if anyone can believe that sentiment any more.

The more things change, the more they stay the same on this board. Problem is, our FO seems to have the same philosophy, which means we are royally boned.

Too much scrutiny regarding QBs, imho. Deshaun Watson ripped apart the two best defenses in college football (chock-full of NFL starters) to win a NCAA Championship for a program that hadn't won one in eons, and yet to some he will suck in the NFL.

The problem isn't so much the board -- it's that in 5 years BA&SK have not found one QB prospect they agree on. Although, they claim they've had guys names written on the card and had teams right ahead of them take the QBs they wanted. But still, after 5 years that excuse gets a little hard to accept.

Bottom line is -- BA has neither the patience nor the desire to groom another young QB. With BA it truly is all or nothing at this point in his career, and to that extent it is understandable. This is exactly why Steve Keim is going to sign a veteran QB or make a trade for when when Carson Palmer retires, that is if BA is not retiring.

 

[JeffGollin]

I think fooling around - with how you feel the pool of talent might be be a year from now for any position - is a dangerous way to do business.

Too many surprises can occur over the next 12 months. Priorities can change. Suddenly, you wake up a year from now - without a QB (or with one that's too expensive or a poor fit with your system or injured or not as good as you expected).

That could happen anyway, but my gut tells me that, in personnel matters, we're usually better off operating in the "here & now."

 

[Dback Jon]

Josh Allen. QB Wyoming.

 

[POISON]

Mason Rudolph keeps showing up between picks 10 -20 in most mock drafts. I've watched this guy since day 1. His td/int ratio is off the charts. Big arm that Arians likes and fairly mobile. Have to go to work or I'd put up career stats, maybe 1 of you guys can before I get back. He's worth looking at

Here are his career stats, he only played a few games a a true freshman as was forced in as the 3rd quarterback and beat OU! http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3116407/mason-rudolph

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I just texted Jax friend to see if there is anything to that rumor. I kind of doubt it seeing Jax picked up Bortles 5th year option at $18 mill.


edit: nothing to that rumor.