2018 QB Class

[AsUpRoDiGy]

From what I have seen, Lamar Jackson has made the same transition that Mariota did. Mariota chose to try and become a better thrower from the pocket. I have seen a similar development in Jackson form last year to this year. However, in his third year, Mariota still struggles with the change and looks unnatural at times in the pocket. I imagine Jackson will be the same. I think Jackson, like Mariota is worth a first round selection. However, you will need a good offensive scheme and coaching to help him make the transition. (that is the case for most young QBs I would add.) Ideally, you want Jackson to be able to develop into Russell Wilson/Aaron Rodgers in terms of their ability to use their mobility to extend plays and create opportunities outside of structure. It will allow him to feel more natural as a QB.

Agreed. If Jackson gets a coach that allows him to get outside the pocket and use his athleticism...he could be great. If he gets a coach that wants him to be strictly a pocket passer...he will struggle. Jackson has a better arm than Mariota, but not as accurate.

 

[DVontel]

Sure, he improved...he went from abysmal to average. Compared to Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Rudolph...he's still behind all of them in terms of going through progressions. He's showing that he can learn and improve in that area though, which was by far his biggest fault from a year ago.

You say Lamar is behind Rudolph in terms of going through progressions even though Rudolph is a 1-read-&-go just like most Big 12 QBs? Rudolph literally plays in a offense that doesn’t make him go through all his progressions. I can’t take you seriously if you think Rudolph is ahead of Lamar in that department(or any other department for that matter).

Lamar went from average to good in terms of scanning the field. If you watched all his games, you would see it.

 

[DVontel]

From what I have seen, Lamar Jackson has made the same transition that Mariota did. Mariota chose to try and become a better thrower from the pocket. I have seen a similar development in Jackson form last year to this year. However, in his third year, Mariota still struggles with the change and looks unnatural at times in the pocket. I imagine Jackson will be the same. I think Jackson, like Mariota is worth a first round selection. However, you will need a good offensive scheme and coaching to help him make the transition. (that is the case for most young QBs I would add.) Ideally, you want Jackson to be able to develop into Russell Wilson/Aaron Rodgers in terms of their ability to use their mobility to extend plays and create opportunities outside of structure. It will allow him to feel more natural as a QB.

I agree, though I feel Mariota would be a lot better under a better OC & not someone that runs a 1940s offense like Mularkey.

 

[juza76]

You say Lamar is behind Rudolph in terms of going through progressions even though Rudolph is a 1-read-&-go just like most Big 12 QBs? Rudolph literally plays in a offense that doesn’t make him go through all his progressions. I can’t take you seriously if you think Rudolph is ahead of Lamar in that department(or any other department for that matter).

Lamar went from average to good in terms of scanning the field. If you watched all his games, you would see it.

Lamar has just 1-weapon on his team and he still having great games and confirming his 2016 phenomenal stats

Him and mayfield are far ahead the rest of the group

 

[POISON]

You say Lamar is behind Rudolph in terms of going through progressions even though Rudolph is a 1-read-&-go just like most Big 12 QBs? Rudolph literally plays in a offense that doesn’t make him go through all his progressions. I can’t take you seriously if you think Rudolph is ahead of Lamar in that department(or any other department for that matter).

Lamar went from average to good in terms of scanning the field. If you watched all his games, you would see it.

It's pretty amazing that Rudolph leads the country in passing yardage, being only a 1 read guy....lol

 

[DVontel]

It's pretty amazing that Rudolph leads the country in passing yardage, being only a 1 read guy....lol

Graham Harrell is 2nd in career passing yardage in Big 12 history.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

You say Lamar is behind Rudolph in terms of going through progressions even though Rudolph is a 1-read-&-go just like most Big 12 QBs? Rudolph literally plays in a offense that doesn’t make him go through all his progressions. I can’t take you seriously if you think Rudolph is ahead of Lamar in that department(or any other department for that matter).

Lamar went from average to good in terms of scanning the field. If you watched all his games, you would see it.

How can you be a pretty immobile QB (Rudolph), and be a one read and go? That applies more to Jackson than it does to Rudolph. I personally think Rudolph is a system QB and won't amount to much in the NFL, but many scouts have praised his field vision. I've watched several game tapes of Lamar...some plays he looks great in the pocket and scans the field, and then others he looks to run immediately. His tape vs good defenses is what bugs me...when he's forced to stay in the pocket and his #1 is taken away...you can almost bet it's going to be an incompletion..or he's looking to run. Tape doesn't lie. He is playing with crap WR's who have a hard time getting open vs good coverage, so I have to give him that. He stands tough in the pocket...just would like to see more consistency.

 

[Ronin]

Josh Rosen mum on whether his going to declare for the draft.

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[Garthshort]

Heard Herb Herbstreit (Sp?) on the radio, this morning, and he said that he believes that Josh Rosen will go #1 in the draft.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Heard Herb Herbstreit (Sp?) on the radio, this morning, and he said that he believes that Josh Rosen will go #1 in the draft.

Rosen or Darnold will go #1. Which won't be decided after the combine.

 

[overseascardfan]

It's pretty amazing that Rudolph leads the country in passing yardage, being only a 1 read guy....lol

James Washington is a hell of a WR accounting for almost 1400 yard receiving. Can't name another WR on the team.

 

[oaken1]

James Washington is a hell of a WR accounting for almost 1400 yard receiving. Can't name another WR on the team.

so your saying skip Rudolph and draft Washington......

 

[POISON]

James Washington is a hell of a WR accounting for almost 1400 yard receiving. Can't name another WR on the team.

Marcell Ateman who will get drafted fairly high, Jalen McCleskey, Tyron Johnson, Chris Lacy. McCleskey and Lacy might get drafter later rounds.......

 

[Buckybird]

so your saying skip Rudolph and draft Washington......

Yep! Mayfield & Washington then we're ready to roll

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Heard Herb Herbstreit (Sp?) on the radio, this morning, and he said that he believes that Josh Rosen will go #1 in the draft.

As he should.

 

[Mitch]

Heard Herb Herbstreit (Sp?) on the radio, this morning, and he said that he believes that Josh Rosen will go #1 in the draft.

Lamar Jackson will go #1. He's too electric to pass up.

 

[Vacard]

Lamar Jackson will go #1. He's too electric to pass up.

I like Lamar, but playing devil's advocate, he has never thrown 60 percent completion in college. He's no Mariota which would be the closest I'd compare him too who threw above 65 percent in 3 years in Oregon.

Unless you see him more like Cam Newton

 

[Mitch]

I like Lamar, but playing devil's advocate, he has never thrown 60 percent completion in college. He's no Mariota which would be the closest I'd compare him too who threw above 65 percent in 3 years in Oregon.

Unless you see him more like Cam Newton

Lamar is a more dynamic dual-threat QB than Marcus Mariota. You make a good point about completion percentage. There is no question that Lamar is going to refine his passing skills---but he has the requisite arm strength and vision---and he is going to give team fits with his ability to break light a lightning bolt out of the pocket for huge gains. He's a right handed Michael Vick, with similar arm strength and even more electric open field running ability.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Lamar is a more dynamic dual-threat QB than Marcus Mariota. You make a good point about completion percentage. There is no question that Lamar is going to refine his passing skills---but he has the requisite arm strength and vision---and he is going to give team fits with his ability to break light a lightning bolt out of the pocket for huge gains. He's a right handed Michael Vick, with similar arm strength and even more electric open field running ability.

I agree with a lot of this and like Jackson. But accuracy, to me, is not a teachable trait and that's concerning. You either have it or you don't.

 

[juza76]

Lamar is a more dynamic dual-threat QB than Marcus Mariota. You make a good point about completion percentage. There is no question that Lamar is going to refine his passing skills---but he has the requisite arm strength and vision---and he is going to give team fits with his ability to break light a lightning bolt out of the pocket for huge gains. He's a right handed Michael Vick, with similar arm strength and even more electric open field running ability.

Right mitch , watching his highlights i never seen a player so close to Michael Vick

 

[Vacard]

Lamar is a more dynamic dual-threat QB than Marcus Mariota. You make a good point about completion percentage. There is no question that Lamar is going to refine his passing skills---but he has the requisite arm strength and vision---and he is going to give team fits with his ability to break light a lightning bolt out of the pocket for huge gains. He's a right handed Michael Vick, with similar arm strength and even more electric open field running ability.

Maybe he's more of a runner because he's not a passer like Mariota? I remember he was a slinger in college. Even Kaepernick threw 64 percent in his last year in college. So did Russell Wilson. VICK though? He didn't throw 60 percent until he went to the Eagles in that awesome 2010 season.

 

[DVontel]

Lamar Jackson will go #1. He's too electric to pass up.

I like him more than any other QB in this draft, but I guarantee you he won’t.

 

[Mitch]

I like him more than any other QB in this draft, but I guarantee you he won’t.

If you like him best DVontel, I would guarantee that he will go #1.

 

[GatorAZ]

Right mitch , watching his highlights i never seen a player so close to Michael Vick

He's RG3 not Vick. Griffin developed into a great passer at Baylor.

There's some similarities with Mariotta but he was 6'4" 225.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

I really like the Pitt qb Pickett.. it’s sort of off topic since he’s only a freshman, but he’s holding his own, making some key throws and runs and is about to beat Miami