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If Keim makes the mistake of drafting the wrong QB(Josh Allen), we’re going to be at the bottom of the division for a long, long time.
the bright side is,...with years of top ten picks, we may get a shot at another QB, lol
 
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So, pretty much with a loss against Seattle next week(we’re not winning), we should be anywhere from 10 to 13.

Dolphins host the Bills at home. I think Miami wins that.

Bengals go on the road to the Ravens. I think Baltimore wins that.

Raiders go on the road to the Chargers. I think LA wins that. However, they also got a game tomorrow against Philly. If they win that, next week won’t matter.

We’re most likely going to be picking at #12.
 

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So, pretty much with a loss against Seattle next week(we’re not winning), we should be anywhere from 10 to 13.

Dolphins host the Bills at home. I think Miami wins that.

Bengals go on the road to the Ravens. I think Baltimore wins that.

Raiders go on the road to the Chargers. I think LA wins that. However, they also got a game tomorrow against Philly. If they win that, next week won’t matter.

We’re most likely going to be picking at #12.
now we need a dance partner... Indy maybe?
 

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So, pretty much with a loss against Seattle next week(we’re not winning), we should be anywhere from 10 to 13.

Dolphins host the Bills at home. I think Miami wins that.

Bengals go on the road to the Ravens. I think Baltimore wins that.

Raiders go on the road to the Chargers. I think LA wins that. However, they also got a game tomorrow against Philly. If they win that, next week won’t matter.

We’re most likely going to be picking at #12.

The dreaded Wendell Bryant slot!
 
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now we need a dance partner... Indy maybe?
Depends who the FO wants. I don’t want us to trade up just for Josh f*****g Allen. Either Lamar or Baker will fall out of the top 10. It’ll probably be Lamar considering the word is that GMs around the league are low on him anyway & plus Baker has a chance to increase his stock even further in the CFB playoffs.
 

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Depends who the FO wants. I don’t want us to trade up just for Josh f*****g Allen. Either Lamar or Baker will fall out of the top 10. It’ll probably be Lamar considering the word is that GMs around the league are low on him anyway & plus Baker has a chance to increase his stock even further in the CFB playoffs.

The NFL has a mold for what a QB is supposed to look like. while the game appears to be changing, big changes like that come slow... most GM's IMO will be hesitant to drop a top five pick on Mayfield strictly due to his size. Cleveland surely wont, they just drafted a small QB a while back..pretty sure they will be looking at Rosen
 

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UCLA QB Josh Rosen on getting drafted by certain teams, if he comes out this year: “I’d rather be a lower pick at the right team than a higher at the wrong team.”
 

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Lol @ Cleveland...they can't even draft a QB high because no one wants to be there.
 

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He has a point, but man do I hate that attitude. It would make me second guess if I wanted him on my "better" team.
Can't fault someone who wants to be in a position to succeed. The culture alone in Cleveland would be awful to walk in to. You're automatically expected to lose, a lot...that has to be demoralizing. I think it's better that he's not just chasing the money.
 

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Can't fault someone who wants to be in a position to succeed. The culture alone in Cleveland would be awful to walk in to. You're automatically expected to lose, a lot...that has to be demoralizing. I think it's better that he's not just chasing the money.


It's also the case that he's been through the ringer at UCLA with a bad OL and no run game. He's had injuries, been beaten up etc, he doesn't want to walk into an NFL situation that's similar.

Which of course makes him a bad fit for the Cards if we don't fix our OL.

Rosen is also of course a very outspoken kid, his family has money, he's a great student, and UCLA just hired Chip Kelly which has to at least intrigue him, I still fully expect him to come out but he has options
 

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He has a point, but man do I hate that attitude. It would make me second guess if I wanted him on my "better" team.

Well, I am pretty sure that attitude is shared by a majority of these QBs and QBs from the proceeding years about going to any franchise which is doo doo... he only voiced the opinion
 

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Well, I am pretty sure that attitude is shared by a majority of these QBs and QBs from the proceeding years about going to any franchise which is doo doo... he only voiced the opinion
Voicing his opinion is a common occurrence and not exactly a red flag but could raise eyebrows. Comes off very Diva. Maybe he should have tanked if he didn't want to go to a bottom dweller franchise. Maybe Browns draft him if he is truly #1qb and trade him.
 

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If the Browns actually hire a HC who can give the franchise a fresh start and image, they could be very good with all the talent they are amassing.
 

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The rookie pay scale takes away a lot of value of being the #1 overall pick. Myles Garrett (#1) got $30M for 4 years, Ryan Ramczyk (#32) got $9M over 4 years which is around a $5M a year difference which isn't a big difference compared to #1 guys getting over $100M contracts prior to the pay scale. Now, with money not being a huge difference guys want to go where they'll play and have a chance to win. CLE & NYJ provide the opportunity to play but also they opportunity to get the hell beat out of you without talent around to help you succeed.
 

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I get where you are coming from Gandhi, but it is lining up to be a bit of a perfect storm for high QBs this year.

You are right, and I am not at all trying to dismiss that point. I just think there is some variables and unknowns.

1-Teams at the top of the draft needing a QB.

We don’t know. Maybe several of them sign quarterbacks through free agency, or maybe their decision makers simply don’t agree with us that they need a new quarterback.

2-QBs expected to be taken at the top of the draft are highly thought of.

Yes, but those thoughts are not necessarily close to the thoughts the teams, the media guys or we have in April. The coaches have not even begun the draft process yet, and based on the last many years we know how much their opinion matter. Not only does it matter in the actual draft, but it also matters and affect the opinion of us the fans. That is why I am saying that what we think right now will change. I think it might be because we simply tend to believe it if the media guys tell us something repeatedly about a player. Another obvious reason is that probably none of us has watched all the game tapes that goes into these evaluation, and even if we had, we are not professional scouts or coaches.

An example could be from the 2011 draft where, at this time that year, Blaine Gabbert was supposed to be picked somewhere between the third and fourth round. He ended up being selected in the top ten, and at least most pundits did not think it was a reach.

On top on those things are the most important one, that we don’t yet know which quarterbacks are even going to be available in the draft.

3-The teams not at the top that don't need a QB sit between the very top and top 10 group. Makes trading in front of someone viable.

This will create a demand for QBs. It will prevent those teams high in the draft from trading too far down. It will increase the compensation for teams who have a QB looking to trade down. We will see what it looks like when the draft order is set, but right now it looks like a good number of teams will be within reach of most of these players.

Yes, but again, this dynamic could change depending on things such as which quarterbacks will be in the draft, what does the general managers and coaches of those teams think, have those teams signed quarterbacks in free agency.

I am in no way saying that it is irrelevant to talk about this stuff. In fact, I usually start to think about the upcoming draft a day or two after a draft has been held. I have even wanted the Cardinals to draft a quarterback in one of the first three rounds for two or three years straight. I really like threads like these, and to discuss everything about the draft. I am just saying that a lot of years following the draft has taught me that it is way to early to feel sure or confident about anything relating to the prospects in the upcoming draft.
 

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Voicing his opinion is a common occurrence and not exactly a red flag but could raise eyebrows. Comes off very Diva. Maybe he should have tanked if he didn't want to go to a bottom dweller franchise. Maybe Browns draft him if he is truly #1qb and trade him.

With the way the rookie contracts are set up now, going to a franchise which limits your ability to get a great second contract is enough to make any sane athlete say what he did especially when young. Going to the Browns is enough to end your NFL career and if a guy has any passion, something like can be expected to blurt out, and I personally would say that too because the Browns are capable not only to take your potential money but your dream to ever make the grade as a pro... I would not want to cry on draft day and would gladly exchange a box of tissue paper for raised eyebrows any day lol
 
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Here's a list of college QB's completion percentage. Mayfield is at the top. Rosen is number 34. Jackson is on the 2nd page at 53. I would think you would want a QB who is accurate first & foremost. What is the deal with some of these senior QB's with a high completion percentage? Don't see many of them listed in mocks or mentioned anywhere else.



http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/755
 
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