2019 1st round pick is QB Kyler Murray

[BullheadCardFan]

To your point, KM completion % last season was better than the more experienced:

Mahomes, Newton, Brady, Roeth, Tannehill, Ryan, Jackson, Stafford, Wentz.

How many of those were behind the line or really short throws?

 

[QuebecCard]

How many of those were behind the line or really short throws?

A question that can be asked of all QBs.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kyler "this sack is on me. It's a hot read we practice all week. I have got to get the ball out of there"

@Chopper0080 I believe you were looking for this sort of self accountability

Love it.

 

[BigDavis75]

How many of those were behind the line or really short throws?

His deep ball accuracy is incredible and, as another poster mentioned, a lot of offenses have those gimme throws so it’s an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

His deep ball accuracy is incredible and, as another poster mentioned, a lot of offenses have those gimme throws so it’s an apples to apples comparison.

It’s only an apples to apples comparison if the percentage of easy throws are similar or the same. I’ve not seen anyone present that data. So we don’t know if it’s apples to apples or apples to aardvarks at this point.

 

[Hoodhero]

Not sure if correct but 67% completion is a franchise record? I'm sure Cardinals have had a lot of past quarterbacks dinking & dunking more than K1 so it is pretty impressive tbh

 

[BigDavis75]

It’s only an apples to apples comparison if the percentage of easy throws are similar or the same. I’ve not seen anyone present that data. So we don’t know if it’s apples to apples or apples to aardvarks at this point.

So you’re saying we shouldn’t use completion percentage in general?

 

[SoonerLou]

I love it but I believe Lawrence will easily do this.

Herbert as well (assuming he stays injury free)

 

[Garthshort]

Back a ways, I would have said the same about Peyton Manning.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It’s only an apples to apples comparison if the percentage of easy throws are similar or the same. I’ve not seen anyone present that data. So we don’t know if it’s apples to apples or apples to aardvarks at this point.

This

We would need to know how many bubble screens other teams threw

 

[Ronin]

Young was an ultra-efficient, frightening dual-threat quarterback at the collegiate level who could win from inside the pocket and could erupt with his legs thanks to high-level athleticism. That is Murray to a T ... Young could take over a game with pinpoint accuracy or as a scrambler in the NFL. Murray only showed it for one year in college, but I truly believe he has "take over the game" type skills as a refined passer and runner. Young was pretty unique. So is Murray.

https://www.cbssports.com

 

[jf-08]

https://www.cbssports.com

Article is here:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...season-and-what-he-must-do-to-take-next-step/

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So you’re saying we shouldn’t use completion percentage in general?

No. I never said anything of the sort. I’m saying it shouldn’t be viewed in a vacuum. It should be viewed in context. For instance if a QB hits 90% of his screens and 3 yard passes but low percentages elsewhere and throws a disproportionate amount of this screens and 3 yard passes to get to that 67% completion percentage it’s not exactly equal to a guy who hits a consistent 67% on passes of all lengths. Right? Simple logic.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

No. I never said anything of the sort. I’m saying it shouldn’t be viewed in a vacuum. It should be viewed in context. For instance if a QB hits 90% of his screens and 3 yard passes but low percentages elsewhere and throws a disproportionate amount of this screens and 3 yard passes to get to that 67% completion percentage it’s not exactly equal to a guy who hits a consistent 67% on passes of all lengths. Right? Simple logic.

Here are the average air yards (average yards past the line of scrimmage the ball is in the air) per completion/per attempt amongst the players mentioned earlier.

Murray - 5.9/7.8
Mahomes - 6.3/8.4
Newton - 5.8/6.8
Brady - 7.1/9.1
Roethlisb. - 4.6/6.9
Tannehill - 7.3/8.4
Ryan - 7.2/8.5
Jackson - 6.6/8.6
Stafford - 6.9/8.7
Wentz - 6.4/8.8

Competitive numbers with those guys, but most of them were at least a little ahead in both air yards attempts and completions. Ultimately I think this somewhat points to him throwing more screens than many QBs, but of course this doesn't detail completion percentage at different levels.

 

[kerouac9]

No. I never said anything of the sort. I’m saying it shouldn’t be viewed in a vacuum. It should be viewed in context. For instance if a QB hits 90% of his screens and 3 yard passes but low percentages elsewhere and throws a disproportionate amount of this screens and 3 yard passes to get to that 67% completion percentage it’s not exactly equal to a guy who hits a consistent 67% on passes of all lengths. Right? Simple logic.

Football outsiders tracks a metric called ALEX (air yards less expected) that is meant to identify empty calorie completions:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020

Kyler was 6th in ALEX last year. Alex Smith was last among qualifiers.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Football outsiders tracks a metric called ALEX (air yards less expected) that is meant to identify empty calorie completions:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2020

Kyler was 6th in ALEX last year. Alex Smith was last among qualifiers.

Just want to point out that is for 3rd downs only. At least according to the explanation on the site.

 

[kerouac9]

Just want to point out that is for 3rd downs only. At least according to the explanation on the site.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/failed-completions-2020

Yikes that’s much worse.

 

[juza76]

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2021/failed-completions-2020

Yikes that’s much worse.

This stat put Trubinsky ahead anyone else

Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are not even in the top 10

I would take this stat with a grain of salt

 

[Garthshort]

This stat put Trubinsky ahead anyone else

Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are not even in the top 10

I would take this stat with a grain of salt

Salt might not be good for you, especially too much. A grain here, a grain there. It adds up.

 

[cardncubfan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...en-stats-most-explosive-nfl-runner/ar-AAKuMLB

 

[juza76]

Salt might not be good for you, especially too much. A grain here, a grain there. It adds up.

Yes getting older salt must be reduced, but then the food is less tasty
Don't know what to do

 

[gimpy]

Being old, it's got to be salty, spicy or sweet. Or, it's no good.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

Steve Keim recognizes value of building around Kyler Murray on his rookie contract

https://sports.yahoo.com/steve-keim-recognizes-value-building-140327146.html

 

[SoonerLou]

If that changes in 2021, Murray will be a significant part of the reason why. Kirk said in an appearance on NFL Network this week that he’s seen nothing but improvement from the QB.

“[H]im going into his third year, you just kind of see him taking that next step every single year. And he just keeps on getting better,” Kirk said. “When you first come into the NFL, you’re still trying to learn how things go and just be a pro. And I think he’s made that adjustment really fast.

“So I think for Kyler, he doesn’t put too much pressure on himself. But the main thing is he just wants to win so bad and that’s why you see him getting a little fiery on the sideline, and you see that emotion coming out, just because every time we step on the field, he just wants to win. And that’s what you want from your quarterback.”

Christian Kirk: Kyler Murray just keeps on getting better

Cardinals receiver Christian Kirk has been around his quarterback Kyler Murray for a while.

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