2020 Draft

[Mainstreet]

Teams are having interest in Tyrell Terry including the Suns.

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[JCSunsfan]

Well. Barring any trades. I am all for resigning Baynes and Saric and drafting the BPA at #10. We could use depth at every position.

 

[JerkFace]

I’ve seen/heard the name PJ Tucker a few different places. With Houston picking up #16 yesterday I wonder if a #10 and Kaminsky for #16 and Tucker is something the Suns are looking at?

 

[1Sun]

I’ve seen/heard the name PJ Tucker a few different places. With Houston picking up #16 yesterday I wonder if a #10 and Kaminsky for #16 and Tucker is something the Suns are looking at?

Tucker is 35 years old and had an atrocious PER of 8.29 last year. Stay away. Stay far away.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Tucker is 35 years old and had an atrocious PER of 8.29 last year. Stay away. Stay far away.

PER doesn't tend to look good for guys that are low volume and it doesn't consider defense.

Tucker makes us a better and more versatile defensive team and is a solid catch and shoot 3 point shooter.

 

[Mainstreet]

Tucker is 35 years old and had an atrocious PER of 8.29 last year. Stay away. Stay far away.

That PER is pretty shocking. I wouldn't have guessed it was that low.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

That PER is pretty shocking. I wouldn't have guessed it was that low.

It's been the same for the last 3 seasons with Houston. It is just not a meaningful stat when talking about what PJ brings to the table. If he was a high usage guy than it would be a more telling stat.

 

[1Sun]

PER doesn't tend to look good for guys that are low volume and it doesn't consider defense.

Tucker makes us a better and more versatile defensive team and is a solid catch and shoot 3 point shooter.

He only shot 41% from the field and 35% from three point range last season. And his defense has slipped. And he was never much of a rebounder and isn't a rim protector at all. It would be foolish to bring him back, in my opinion.

 

[1Sun]

That PER is pretty shocking. I wouldn't have guessed it was that low.

I would have. His game has been on the steep decline. It's a big reason Houston flamed out even with a HOF Backcourt.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He only shot 41% from the field and 35% from three point range last season. And his defense has slipped. And he was never much of a rebounder and isn't a rim protector at all. It would be foolish to bring him back, in my opinion.

He was 41% from the field because 80% of his shots are 3s (he shot 55% from 2 point range). He has shot 37% from 3 over the last 3 years and that is above average (he is specifically solid from the corners).

 

[JCSunsfan]

As I have watched the drafts over the last few years, the green and red bubbles on Tankaton have been as good a predictor of a player's future in the NBA as anything else. I suggest you take a look.

 

[Mainstreet]

As I have watched the drafts over the last few years, the green and red bubbles on Tankaton have been as good a predictor of a player's future in the NBA as anything else. I suggest you take a look.

Tankathon is a good source to get an indicator where players should go in the draft. I often refer to it.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

As I have watched the drafts over the last few years, the green and red bubbles on Tankaton have been as good a predictor of a player's future in the NBA as anything else. I suggest you take a look.

Care to link it? I don't see what you are talking about on tankathon.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Care to link it? I don't see what you are talking about on tankathon.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/obi-toppin

Wiseman's numbers are suspect because of small sample size.

The players in this draft that should excel based on the bubbles are:

Toppin
Haliburton
Okongwu (solid, not as good as the other two)
Vassell
Flynn
Carey Jr.
Smith (Ok for his projected draft position)

Busts would be

Edwards
Denny (Int'l is always tough because stats are so inconsistent)
Williams
Okoro
Lewis


There are a number of meh players that are not really good and not really bad at anything. And then there are few that are really good at some things and really bad at others, like:

Nesmith. Huge offensive game, horrible defensive game.

 

[JerkFace]

I am not great with the salary cap so please correct me if I am wrong. If we pick up Kaminsky’s option and combine it with Okobo and Diallo. It gives us around 8.5 million. I believe, even though we are over the cap we can still take back 125% of the out going salary, so that would be around 10.5 million. So I believe if we indeed trade down from the #10 spot the max salary we can take on in a player is around 10.5 million, which is more than I expected. Once again please feel free to fact check my numbers.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

http://www.tankathon.com/players/obi-toppin

Bruh...

http://www.tankathon.com/players/dragan-bender

http://www.tankathon.com/players/marquese-chriss

 

[Yuma]

http://www.tankathon.com/players/obi-toppin

Wiseman's numbers are suspect because of small sample size.

The players in this draft that should excel based on the bubbles are:

Toppin
Haliburton
Okongwu (solid, not as good as the other two)
Vassell
Flynn
Carey Jr.
Smith (Ok for his projected draft position)

Busts would be

Edwards
Denny (Int'l is always tough because stats are so inconsistent)
Williams
Okoro
Lewis


There are a number of meh players that are not really good and not really bad at anything. And then there are few that are really good at some things and really bad at others, like:

Nesmith. Huge offensive game, horrible defensive game.

So how are using the bubbles to predict good versus busts?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bruh...

http://www.tankathon.com/players/dragan-bender

http://www.tankathon.com/players/marquese-chriss

Yep. Should have paid attention to that shouldn't we? You really take huge risks in the draft when you somehow believe a player will become someone different than who he has been.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/cameron-johnson
http://www.tankathon.com/players/mikal-bridges
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jevon-carter
http://www.tankathon.com/players/josh-jackson (small positives, huge negatives)

 

[JCSunsfan]

So how are using the bubbles to predict good versus busts?

It seems pretty straightforward to me. What are their strengths and weaknesses? How strong are their strengths and how bad are the weaknesses? Some players have minimal strengths and weaknesses. They often become bench players. Players with big strengths and big weaknesses are real wild cards.

There are a lot of players that have huge hype, but when you look at their numbers, their games are really weak. Very few real strengths. I also look at position. A pg who is really good at rebounding but has a poor assists and high turnovers is a problem. A PF with lots of assists but weak in rebounding and shot percentage is a problem.

It's true, its all about college numbers, but the numbers usually do mean something.

There are some exceptions. The numbers made Jayson Tatum more of a mediocre player, but he was on a stacked team. Markannen projected to be very good on offense and very poor on defense.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Yep. Should have paid attention to that shouldn't we? You really take huge risks in the draft when you somehow believe a player will become someone different than who he has been.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/cameron-johnson
http://www.tankathon.com/players/mikal-bridges
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jevon-carter
http://www.tankathon.com/players/josh-jackson (small positives, huge negatives)

They have us taking Vassel and his page looks similar to Mikal's.

Looks pretty good for Toppin and Haliburton as well. Both guys I really want in this draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

So how are using the bubbles to predict good versus busts?

The stat strengths and weaknesses are listed as (+) and (-) in the green and red bubbles when you click on a player in the Tankathon mock.

It's simply an easy way to evaluate players in different categories.

For example, here is Tyrese Haliburton.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton

 

[JCSunsfan]

So how are using the bubbles to predict good versus busts?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/anthony-edwards
These numbers point to a young scorer, who does not really excel at anything and is very inefficient. In the top 3 the probability of bust is high.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton
This player has a very complete game on offense and defense. He looks to be a chemistry and glue guy. His only real weakness is that he does not look for his own shot enough and could stand to score more, especially because he scores so efficiently.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/obi-toppin
This player has a dominating game on both ends of the floor, although weak rebounding is a real concern for a pf.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/lamelo-ball
This player excels at the wrong things for his position. He is a good rebounder, but that is not a big deal for a pg. Assists are good for a pg, but the rest of his offense is very inefficient and his defense is a real liability. Not a #1 pick, with the caveat that international numbers can be deceiving.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu
This player does a lot of things well, but not spectacular. His assists are his biggest weakness, but not a really big weakness, and not really alarming for a pf. I would look further to see how deep his college team. This is the type of player that might be a star in the making but had to take a back seat to college teammates.

 

[Mainstreet]

Devin Vassell looks pretty good in the strength and weakness categories.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/devin-vassell

 

[JCSunsfan]

The bubbles prioritize actual production although they do consider some physical traits like size and arm length.

 

[Mainstreet]

Although not all the players in the draft are included in the linked site below, these physical measurements can be quite important in helping to evaluate players such as standing reach, hand size and wingspan.

I find it particularly useful in evaluating big men.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?dir=1&sort=WINGSPAN