2021-22 Around the NBA Thread

[Ronin]

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[JCSunsfan]

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Tampering by means of Woj. Brilliant.

 

[Dback Jon]

Stix with 17 points and 12 boards in 23 minutes today

 

[Mainstreet]

Stix with 17 points and 12 boards in 23 minutes today

Congrats for STIX. I hope he continues to play well for the Pacers.

 

[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

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That's a tough loss for the Clippers.

 

[Finito]

Stix with 17 points and 12 boards in 23 minutes today

Kids gonna be a player. Suns really screwed this one up.

 

[Proximo]

Stix with 17 points and 12 boards in 23 minutes today

Sucks, and I’m happy for him at the same time.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Kids gonna be a player. Suns really screwed this one up.

Just wish we picked up his option even if it only meant we could have gotten more in a trade.

 

[Dback Jon]

Just wish we picked up his option even if it only meant we could have gotten more in a trade.

Yup.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm glad Stix landed in Indiana. Hopefully they are able to sign him long term. I think that is their best chance of keeping him, offering him a longer deal. I can see another team gambling on him and offering more than Indiana can in that first year but it would be risky to offer him more than a 2 year deal since his sample size is so small. If he doesn't work out then you've got a bad contract on your hands. Meanwhile the Pacers will see enough as to whether he's worth retaining long term and could make up salary over time.

I think teams should have longer to pick up that option. Requiring a team picks up a players 3rd or 4th year option a full season in advance is a big ask. Maybe extend the deadline to December 15th, which is when players acquired over the offsesson can be dealt, or around January 1st or so when all contracts become guaranteed for the current season. That would give teams an extra 20-30 games and about 2 months to decide.

Stix was a Sun for roughly 16 months due to the late draft. The Suns, and Stix, were robbed of a summer league also.

 

[Bobster]

Kids gonna be a player. Suns really screwed this one up.

I'm glad Stix landed in Indiana. Hopefully they are able to sign him long term. I think that is their best chance of keeping him, offering him a longer deal. I can see another team gambling on him and offering more than Indiana can in that first year but it would risky to offer him more than a 2 year deal since his sample size is so small. If hs doesn't work out then you've got a back contract on your hands. Meanwhile the Pacers will see enough as to whether he's worth retaining long term and could make up salary over time.

I think teams should have longer to pick up that option. Requiring a team picks up a players 3rd or 4th year option a full season in advance is a big ask. Maybe extend the deadline to December 15th, which is when players acquired over the offsesson can be dealt, or around January 1st or so when all contracts become guaranteed for the current season. That would give teams an extra 20-30 games and about 2 months to decide.

Stix was a Sun for roughly 16 months due to the late draft. The Suns, and Stix, were robbed of a summer league also.

Teams wanted that earlier option so they wouldn't be on the hook for young players who didn't pan out. The trade off is this. They just screwed up by not picking up a relatively cheap option on a player they didn't give enough time to establish himself.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I was on a Pacers board and posters there are speculating that there must be some deep character issue or something that kept the Suns from picking up his option.

The real issue is that he just does not fit our window. However, picking up his option would have gotten us more in trade. Potentially a first-round pick coming back. Oh well, We got AH and TC. Nice save.

 

[Phrazbit]

I was on a Pacers board and posters there are speculating that there must be some deep character issue or something that kept the Suns from picking up his option.

The real issue is that he just does not fit our window. However, picking up his option would have gotten us more in trade. Potentially a first-round pick coming back. Oh well, We got AH and TC. Nice save.

Getting Craig back takes a lot of the sting off, but there is no doubt, the Suns screwed that one up bad. Worst case scenario... he is a somewhat empty stat guy who averages 12-7 if given decent playing time, more if given starters minutes, those guys get paid far more than the 4.7 mil we dumped him over.

But all will be forgiven if we win a title and Craig throws down some crowd screaming dunks and some big defensive stops along the way.

 

[Sparky16]

I was on a Pacers board and posters there are speculating that there must be some deep character issue or something that kept the Suns from picking up his option.

The real issue is that he just does not fit our window. However, picking up his option would have gotten us more in trade. Potentially a first-round pick coming back. Oh well, We got AH and TC. Nice save.

What i saw from Craig in game 1 is more than enough for Stix. Stix is still 3+ years and about 40lbs from making a real impact

 

[Raindog]

Stix with 17 points and 12 boards in 23 minutes today

Yeah, that's going to go about the way I expected once the Suns sent him somewhere he got more time. It was a major screwup not picking up his option. As I have posted before, I can't prove it, but I don't believe that decision was on Jones... but far more likely the ever meddling owner.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It certainly looks like Jones has free reign. Keeping the cap in order is one of his responsibilities. This team has an embarrassment of riches as far as players.

This was a mistake, but I am saying it was Jones mistake unless proven otherwise. The decision is in his job description.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, that's going to go about the way I expected once the Suns sent him somewhere he got more time. It was a major screwup not picking up his option. As I have posted before, I can't prove it, but I don't believe that decision was on Jones... but far more likely the ever meddling owner.

I guess they don't make "major screwups" the way they used to. To me, it was a minor mistake set up by unusual circumstances - no summer league, out for injury, out for Covid, out for Covid protocols, shortened season, shortened pre-season and whatever else I'm missing.

Jalen showed us nothing, absolutely nothing. Until a few months ago almost everything said about him by Suns fans was negative and JJ was constantly ripped for drafting someone that had no business being drafted that high, if at all. I can't prove it either but I don't believe that decision was mostly on Sarver - if Monty or JJ wanted him here this would never have happened whether Robert meddled or not.

 

[Chaplin]

I guess they don't make "major screwups" the way they used to. To me, it was a minor mistake set up by unusual circumstances - no summer league, out for injury, out for Covid, out for Covid protocols, shortened season, shortened pre-season and whatever else I'm missing.

Jalen showed us nothing, absolutely nothing. Until a few months ago almost everything said about him by Suns fans was negative and JJ was constantly ripped for drafting someone that had no business being drafted that high, if at all. I can't prove it either but I don't believe that decision was mostly on Sarver - if Monty or JJ wanted him here this would never have happened whether Robert meddled or not.

Sarver signed off on Shamet's extension and everyone is saying he's the sole reason we didn't pick up Smith's option? LOL

 

[Russ Smith]

The fact that GSW had to work hard to beat the Lakers is telling.
Scrubs

It's actually obvious if you watch them enough. Because of the injuries to Draymond, Iggy etc, the bench is playing lots of minutes and now the bench is wearing down too. Notice Payton's seeing less time because he's not scoring as much. They are supposed to fairly close to Draymond coming back and then Wiseman, couldn't come at a better time both Porter and Bjelica are wearing out

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sarver signed off on Shamet's extension and everyone is saying he's the sole reason we didn't pick up Smith's option? LOL

I agree. I love James Jones, but this one is on him unless proven otherwise. JJ chose Shamet above Smith. That is what he did. He had JaVale at CP3's request, and was already in talks with Boyimbo. They wanted Smith to be able to play PF and he was not doing well at that. So he made his choice.

When injuries and sickness hit the center crew at the first of the year, Smith clicked as a center (not as a pf). He seems to be a Channing Frye type. No GM is going to bat 1000.

 

[JCSunsfan]

LeBron laying the groundwork to leave the Lakers. All he has to do is convince the team he wants to draft his son in the second round or sign him as a FA.

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[Dback Jon]

LeBron laying the groundwork to leave the Lakers. All he has to do is convince the team he wants to draft his son in the second round or sign him as a FA.

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Trainwreck approaching.

So Bronny isn't very good, but in a two-for-one ego trip, he'll get a deal.

what team sucks and needs to sell circus tickets?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree. I love James Jones, but this one is on him unless proven otherwise. JJ chose Shamet above Smith. That is what he did. He had JaVale at CP3's request, and was already in talks with Boyimbo. They wanted Smith to be able to play PF and he was not doing well at that. So he made his choice.

When injuries and sickness hit the center crew at the first of the year, Smith clicked as a center (not as a pf). He seems to be a Channing Frye type. No GM is going to bat 1000.

I really think Jones, Monty and Sarver all played a role in this situation. And as has been mentioned, because of factors outside our control, we got far less opportunity to assess him than usual and he had far less opportunity to grow and improve. I think we made a mistake but far less egregious than it's being made out to be.

 

[Mainstreet]

LeBron laying the groundwork to leave the Lakers. All he has to do is convince the team he wants to draft his son in the second round or sign him as a FA.

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Do it Lebron. I don't know if it has ever happened before. A chance for father and son to play together is a rare opportunity.

Life is more than money.