2022-23 Around the NBA Thread

[Mainstreet]

The new full-sized broncos are on a truck frame. The Bronco sports are not.

This is good to know. I didn't know they were making them again.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is good to know. I didn't know they were making them again.

Waiting for motor and transmission. Some parts had to be special ordered. It would still run and drive before this. Original color, will be 100% like the day it was driven off the lot.

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[Mainstreet]

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This is an older model, right?

 

[Russ Smith]

The Kings/GS game #2 was tight until 7 minutes left in game when the Intimidator Green stomped on Sabonis'
gut, which got Green sent to the locker. It seems to me that Green's antics usually end up hurting the Warriors,
and inspire the opposing fan base to generate a energy spark for their team.

Sabonis spent many minutes in pain and/or on the floor flat. He's tough but I wonder if he will survive this
series if he continues to get hammered and clobbered.

It was a 4 point game when that play happened, they won by 8 and they won by 8 because the Warriors missed several late 3's in desperation time. CUrry made a T, Sabonis missed both so it was a 3 point game after that. The Warriors tied it at 95 but wound up losing.

In terms of impact on the game the biggest play was at 102-101, Fox missed, sabonis shoved Looney with 2 hands in the back, no call gets the rebound and scores Kings up 3. Fox then made a 3, 6 point lead ball game.

Clearly the Warriors are better off with Draymond than without him but I don't think they lost that game because he got thrown out, they lost because down the stretch Fox made big shots 1 on 1, and Steph was having to try and beat 2 defenders and didn't make the shots. Someone else needed to step up there to punish the Kings for doubling Steph at halfcourt, they didn't.

 

[ajcardfan]

This is an older model, right?

The original - 1965.

 

[Mainstreet]

The original - 1965.

Very nice.

Now all you need is a 1965 Mustang to go with it.

 

[Ronin]

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[AzStevenCal]

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I'm not sure of all the reasons he's worn out his welcome so many times but this a talented 27 year old big man about to suit up for his 8th NBA team. If we could get him and a legit point guard in an Ayton trade, I'd probably do it despite his reputation as a stat padder and lazy/tempermental when he's not getting his touches. If we can't have a great all around big man, I'd rather put up with an equally flawed one that doesn't eat up so much of the Cap.

 

[Ronin]

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[Covert Rain]

Some GM's are projecting 90 Million dollar deal for Cam J.

NBA rumors- Multiple teams interested in signing Cam Johnson to a long-term deal

Fourth-year sharpshooting forward Cam Johnson experienced a post-trade deadline breakout with the Brooklyn Nets.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[AzStevenCal]

Some GM's are projecting 90 Million dollar deal for Cam J.

NBA rumors- Multiple teams interested in signing Cam Johnson to a long-term deal

Fourth-year sharpshooting forward Cam Johnson experienced a post-trade deadline breakout with the Brooklyn Nets.

www.sportskeeda.com

He's worth it if you ignore the injury risks. Great teammate, solid defender and strong scoring threat from outside with the ability to occasionally put the ball on the floor and drive. But IMO this is the wrong sport to gamble on committing big money to players that have a noticably greater than average injury risk/history.

 

[Ronin]

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[Phrazbit]

I'm not sure of all the reasons he's worn out his welcome so many times but this a talented 27 year old big man about to suit up for his 8th NBA team. If we could get him and a legit point guard in an Ayton trade, I'd probably do it despite his reputation as a stat padder and lazy/tempermental when he's not getting his touches. If we can't have a great all around big man, I'd rather put up with an equally flawed one that doesn't eat up so much of the Cap.

I don't think they're equally flawed.

Ayton is a frustrating player who comes up short of expectations and his own hype but is a net positive.

I don't think Wood is a net positive and whatever contract he gets is likely to be a really bad one. IMO, Wood makes teams worse.

I'm for trading Ayton but not just for the sake of trading him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think they're equally flawed.

Ayton is a frustrating player who comes up short of expectations and his own hype but is a net positive.

I don't think Wood is a net positive and whatever contract he gets is likely to be a really bad one. IMO, Wood makes teams worse.

I'm for trading Ayton but not just for the sake of trading him.

I've typed that same message many times but I'm no longer convinced he's a net positive, quite the opposite.

In his great games, he's a gamechanger but he's only had a handful of those in his NBA career. In his good games, he's a net positive but not demonstrably so. In his typical games he collects his stats but has little impact on the outcome. But on his bad nights, he's a huge negative. And he has far too many bad nights. IMO we're better off paying that money to an empty seat, at least that way we're forced to address the problem.

 

[Phrazbit]

I've typed that same message many times but I'm no longer convinced he's a net positive, quite the opposite.

In his great games, he's a gamechanger but he's only had a handful of those in his NBA career. In his good games, he's a net positive but not demonstrably so. In his typical games he collects his stats but has little impact on the outcome. But on his bad nights, he's a huge negative. And he has far too many bad nights. IMO we're better off paying that money to an empty seat, at least that way we're forced to address the problem.

I'd rather trade him for an expiring deal to clear his money than to get Christian Wood.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him, but I am not trading him for garbage. Wood is going to get some stupid team to pay him something like 3 years, 40 million and that team is going to regret it within a week of the season starting.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd rather trade him for an expiring deal to clear his money than to get Christian Wood.

Again, I'm not opposed to trading him, but I am not trading him for garbage. Wood is going to get some stupid team to pay him something like 3 years, 40 million and that team is going to regret it within a week of the season starting.

I'm not in love with the idea at all, I think Wood can easily become a chemistry killer. But we're up against it and can't just jettison Ayton without star level return. If we hadn't made the KD trade I'd be dead set against some of the ideas I'm trying to justify here (Christian Wood and Trae Young specifically). We need to add a third player that can be a true difference maker, we're not getting the perfect player for that role for what little we can offer. We're going to have to take a pretty big gamble on somebody. Maybe they aren't the answer but we don't have much to choose from.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not in love with the idea at all, I think Wood can easily become a chemistry killer. But we're up against it and can't just jettison Ayton without star level return. If we hadn't made the KD trade I'd be dead set against some of the ideas I'm trying to justify here (Christian Wood and Trae Young specifically). We need to add a third player that can be a true difference maker, we're not getting the perfect player for that role for what little we can offer. We're going to have to take a pretty big gamble on somebody. Maybe they aren't the answer but we don't have much to choose from.

I don't think Wood is a star level player, not even close. I don't think he'd start on almost any team.

I think there will be better offers that don't have "star" level players involved. I think Portland and Charlotte are both teams that can offer us good depth parts and picks and both seem very desperate to make a splash.

If Ayton goes to Dallas I guarantee it would be for Irving... and I'd be nauseated.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't think Wood is a star level player, not even close. I don't think he'd start on almost any team.

I think there will be better offers that don't have "star" level players involved. I think Portland and Charlotte are both teams that can offer us good depth parts and picks and both seem very desperate to make a splash.

If Ayton goes to Dallas I guarantee it would be for Irving... and I'd be nauseated.

No, Wood isn't a star. But Ayton isn't a star either despite the fact he's paid like one. Both of them can play like stars at times but neither of them can be counted on. With Wood, it's basically his personality. With Ayton, whatever it is, I think we've proved we can't solve the problem.

I don't like our chances of fixing Wood just like I don't like our chances of fixing Trae Young but if you can get through to them they are both capable of being star level players. It would be a huge risk, but like I said, I think we have to take a big gamble. Otherwise we're just going to add more players that can't beat out Craig or Okogie and that's not going to be enough.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think the Suns are going to get a star level player in return for Ayton.

A trade I considered some time ago was to trade Ayton for Davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes and Richaun Holmes.

I'm sure there are better trades to be had, but I think Davion Mitchell might be able to start at point guard for the Suns.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don't think the Suns are going to get a star level player in return for Ayton.

A trade I considered some time ago was to trade Ayton for Davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes and Richaun Holmes.

I'm sure there are better trades to be had, but I think Davion Mitchell might be able to start at point guard for the Suns.

I'd jump all over that trade after the series Mitchell had. Barnes is what he is and Holmes is a stop gap. Mitchell could be legit.

 

[Yuma]

I don't think the Suns are going to get a star level player in return for Ayton.

A trade I considered some time ago was to trade Ayton for Davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes and Richaun Holmes.

I'm sure there are better trades to be had, but I think Davion Mitchell might be able to start at point guard for the Suns.

I agree. No one wants that contract versus production, and at the center spot. I am thinking we should NOT have matched that offer for Ayton. We would have cleared cap space. Assuming everything proceeded after that as it did, we would be looking at CP3, who we can move off from this next season, KD and Booker, and the ability to be super flexible this next season. We just couldn't LOSE Ayton for NOTHING. Sometimes, like with a time share, sure I didn't get a fair return for getting rid of my timeshare, but sometimes you just have to stop digging a hole!!!

 

[Germz249]

Word is Brooks won’t be brought back by the Grizz. Is he worth a look?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Word is Brooks won’t be brought back by the Grizz. Is he worth a look?

No
Nah
Nope
No way
Never ever
Not happening
Not a chance in hell

 

[AzStevenCal]

Word is Brooks won’t be brought back by the Grizz. Is he worth a look?

He's far more trouble than he's worth right now. He helped that team quite a bit but every year he went just a little further into psycho territory. To me he's a much crazier version of a very poor man's Draymond.

 

[Phrazbit]

Word is Brooks won’t be brought back by the Grizz. Is he worth a look?

No, they could do nothing else but dump him and I expect they will improve.

If you buy into advanced stats, Brooks was one of the worst rotation players in the league. Toss in the drama he brings on himself and the team and the 18 Ts he got...

He was probably the most detrimental player on any playoff roster.