2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[Yuma]

The guy is worthless.

the pick swaps could be extreemly valuable if we suck, worth way more the 3 2nds which usually amount to nothing.

just saying I think we are too ‘All IN’

I also look at the Dbacks as a model. We owed money for a LONG time for the pieces we got to win a Championship, and our ownership group at the time was way less capable of paying that bill.

 

[SunsTzu]

The guy is worthless.

the pick swaps could be extreemly valuable if we suck, worth way more the 3 2nds which usually amount to nothing.

just saying I think we are too ‘All IN’

If we sucked those picks were already going to Washington.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The guy is worthless.

the pick swaps could be extreemly valuable if we suck, worth way more the 3 2nds which usually amount to nothing.

just saying I think we are too ‘All IN’

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but aren't we swapping picks that we would have already swapped? The likelihood that the swap we end up with being "extremely valuable" is slim IMO.

 

[Yuma]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but aren't we swapping picks that we would have already swapped? The likelihood that the swap we end up with being "extremely valuable" is slim IMO.

Evidently it's allowed, and we already had a pick double swapped before this trade. I don't know why if you are a GM you accept a swap on a pick that's already swapped. The likelihood you get that swap is really low at that point.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Evidently it's allowed, and we already had a pick double swapped before this trade. I don't know why if you are a GM you accept a swap on a pick that's already swapped. The likelihood you get that swap is really low at that point.

Oh I know it's allowed, I just mean that our "extremely valuable" pick would have already been swapped for a less desirable pick. So there's a fair chance that no matter how bad we are in those years, the picks we'd have been swapped from Brooklyn or Washington wouldn't interest Memphis or whoever.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don’t like this. We are so screwed if we fall off.

I think ishiba is way to confident we can stay good. Sometimes things out of your control can screw you.

The Suns were fully committed after the Kevin Durant trade. Every move after that has been gravy.

The Bradley Beal trade was pivotal. Now the Suns are reclaiming assets.

 

[Proximo]

The Suns were fully committed after the Kevin Durant trade. Every move after that has been gravy.

The Bradley Beal trade was pivotal. Now the Suns are reclaiming assets.

Memphis and a lot of the nba don’t see it that way, they think we are going to be awful by 2026, and they aren’t making this deal because they are helping us.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Memphis and a lot of the nba don’t see it that way, they think we are going to be awful by 2026, and they aren’t making this deal because they are helping us.

But again, we probably won't be swapping OUR pick to Memphis in 2026, we'll have already swapped that pick to Washington thanks to the Beal deal. And yes it's quite possible we'll be horrible in 2026 but it's unlikely to benefit Memphis.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

But again, we probably won't be swapping OUR pick to Memphis in 2026, we'll have already swapped that pick to Washington thanks to the Beal deal. And yes it's quite possible we'll be horrible in 2026 but it's unlikely to benefit Memphis.

Well it would benefit Memphis if both us and Washington were dreadful. There’s a good likelihood Washington is because, well, Washington. Less likely for us considering book will just be hitting 29-30 and Beal just be hitting 33-34 and likely still have other players looking to join them.

 

[Yuma]

So having Devin Booker in 2026 and we will be horrible? I like my chances.

 

[Yuma]

So Brendon Kleen, Suns content writer, thinks these second round picks we got for Isiah Todd now help make the trade exception the Suns have come back into play! Another JJ chess move. Points out Toppin, Duarte, KJ Martin all traded for two second round picks. Seems like a trend. Now we have picks to help make use of trade exception. Saric trade exception with 4.9 mil.

So for example Daniel House makes $4.7 million, so Suns could have used trade exception for House if we have an open roster spot, and bring him in, and send back a second round or two.

So he says we have Trade exemption and Cameron Payne as trade chips now that we have some second round picks to help facilitate moves. He says Payton Pritchard, Emanuel Quigley, etc. are now the type of guys that are opened back up. Guys their teams don't want to pay the next contract on, for the Trade Exception.

 

[nashman]

So having Devin Booker in 2026 and we will be horrible? I like my chances.

Exactly people act like we will be losing Booker or something, when KD is done we still have Book and Beal and 50mil off the cap you don’t think this owner is gonna add players lol… we aren’t gonna suck for along time!

 

[Absolute Zero]

I am having trouble wrapping my head around this pick swap trade. Can someone explain it like on a 3rd grade level?

 

[Sparky16]

I am having trouble wrapping my head around this pick swap trade. Can someone explain it like on a 3rd grade level?

The suns would basically get the worst of the 3 slots between DC/MEM/PHX. My assumption is if Phx Swaps with DC then MEM can swap with the DC pick that PHX would then own. Very low risk for Phx to dump salary on a player that is not in plans in addition to getting 3 2nds which could be used as trade bait or at least should use as draft and stach euro's in my opinion

 

[Proximo]

He keeps acting like there is something else in the works. Not sure what that could be.

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[Germz249]

He keeps acting like there is something else in the works. Not sure what that could be.

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There is always something in the works. Might be big.. might be small.. may never happen.. but when you make a statement like that and it does happen its like yep I told you.. if it doesn’t happen then its yea it was in works but didn’t happen.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Has Ishbia taken the handcuffs off of James Jones?

 

[Austin Zonie]

Has Ishbia taken the handcuffs off of James Jones?

Or is Ishbia pushing Jones? Would be interesting to know.

 

[Proximo]

Or is Ishbia pushing Jones? Would be interesting to know.

I think Ishiba pushing him is much more likely.

 

[Mainstreet]

Memphis and a lot of the nba don’t see it that way, they think we are going to be awful by 2026, and they aren’t making this deal because they are helping us.

IMO, the best time to express concern was when the Suns made the trade for Durant. They gave up way too much for him. The rest of the moves have been made trying to balance the equation. The trade for Beal was a huge step in this direction. The Suns had a great off season.

What I see them doing now is preparing for the future. Unless the Suns make a big trade down the line such as Ayton, they are gradually restoring assets.

Once the Suns dove through the playoff window, there was no going back. The best thing they can do now is swim.

 

[Mainstreet]

Has Ishbia taken the handcuffs off of James Jones?

Mat Ishbia and James Jones seem made for each other. They are leading the fast break.

 

[Hoop Head]

I don’t like this. We are so screwed if we fall off.

I think ishiba is way to confident we can stay good. Sometimes things out of your control can screw you.

What I'm worried about also is if/when Ishbia loses interest. Right now we're his shiny new toy and he's building a contender but if it doesn't work? When does he get bored and move on to the next project. There's definitely some questions. I trust he'll be dedicated for the next 2-3 years but we'll be paying for Durant and Beal for 7 years. There is a real possibility he's not a hands on owner when those final picks convey.

Everyone is acting like he's some lone billionaire who will buy us whatever we want or need but there are 30+ billionaires who own NBA teams. There's no shortage of them in the world Ishbia just entered. Cuban acted similarly when he bought the Mavericks and it got him nothing except enemies in the league office. No one knows Ishbia, we have less than 6 months of history to base things on. His name was never floated around here before he became the winning bidder earlier last season. So people saying he'll do anything should recognize he just paid a small fortune for 60% of the team and no one knows how long he'll remain active as owner and whether that's a positive or negative.

I do get the relief Sarver is gone and Ishbia seems quite different but Sarver wasn't really someone we all disliked right away. It takes time to learn who someone is.

 

[taz02]

It's always hard to predict the future, anything can happen. But at the present moment our new owner has committed 100% to winning/spending.

 

[Mainstreet]

More on the Isaiah Todd trade. Looking at it from the Suns side, they save $9 million plus regain flexibility to make other moves with the three second round picks.

The Suns window is NOW.

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[overseascardfan]

I feel Jones needs to fill the starting PF spot as none of the FA signings are suited for that role full time. Durant needs to stay at SF as he shouldn't be banging with bigger and stronger PF's. I would take a flier on Bol but maybe Ishbia has his sights on a bigger name.

On a side note, Christian Wood still available is a surprise. I know people criticize his defense but he looked like an All Star the first part of last season before be got hurt and Kidd cut his playing time. Even if he defense isn't great, hard to see why a 17 / 7 guy with a 51%/38%/74% shooting line is still available unless he is not ready to take a minimum but the free agent money well is tapped so he will need to settle for a minimum deal or hope a team with the full MLE is interested in him.