2023 Phoenix Suns Offseason

[Mainstreet]

Luckily, I only believe about 10% of the stuff I read here.

 

[Muggz]

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Luckily, I only believe about 10% of the stuff I read here.

10% of the stuff here is 100% right 10% of the time.

 

[Mainstreet]

10% of the stuff here is 100% right 10% of the time.

Yeah, but it's knowing which 10% of the stuff is right.

 

[CardNots]

Yeah, but it's knowing which 10% of the stuff is right.

Being 80 percent opinion leaving 20 percent stated facts means half the stated facts are true. Pretty good…

 

[Sparky16]

I do not agree with you that he is incapable of change.

His goal of getting a 2nd contract was reached..... and he quit

 

[Sparky16]

Not sure he is quite like the rest of the Suns.

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he probably did not work on free throws since he is soft as tissue and never draws any fouls

 

[BirdGangThing]

Not sure he is quite like the rest of the Suns.

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idk what the gym has to do with anything - Ayton already knows how to basketball - that's not the problem

 

[Finito]

Please elaborate.

Monty has a very long history of getting into it with players. He’s super childish he seems like he can’t separate his feelings from his work.

Eric Gordon, Chris Paul, Jay Crowder, Ayton

It’s what Monty does and who he’s proven to be over the years.

 

[Sunburn]

Monty has a very long history of getting into it with players. He’s super childish he seems like he can’t separate his feelings from his work.

Eric Gordon, Chris Paul, Jay Crowder, Ayton

It’s what Monty does and who he’s proven to be over the years.

I don't understand this. It's part of the job, no? Pop has a very long history of chewing players out. Is he super childish too?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't understand this. It's part of the job, no? Pop has a very long history of chewing players out. Is he super childish too?

I've never heard anyone say that Pop refused to communicate with another player. And with Monty v Ayton we're not talking about just shutting off communication with a key player for a quarter or a game or a week or a month or even a summer.

 

[Finito]

I don't understand this. It's part of the job, no? Pop has a very long history of chewing players out. Is he super childish too?

You’re talking about two very different things dude. Honestly we’ve gone over this a million times on this board about Monty and his lack of communication and people skills.

If you think Monty and Pop are the same then IDK

 

[Finito]

I've never heard anyone say that Pop refused to communicate with another player. And with Monty v Ayton we're not talking about just shutting off communication with a key player for a quarter or a game or a week or a month or even a summer.

Not just Ayton though. Ayton got the attention but legit media was reporting Monty and Paul were getting into it at the end of our 64 win season and in that Dallas series.

Then you have the whole Crowder situation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not just Ayton though. Ayton got the attention but legit media was reporting Monty and Paul were getting into it at the end of our 64 win season and in that Dallas series.

Then you have the whole Crowder situation.

I know it wasn't just Ayton. And I remember hearing the stories about him alienating and freezing out players when he coached the Hornets too.

 

[BirdGangThing]

lmao when Ayton checks out AGAIN this year I want you all to come back and read all your Monty Williams fault BS

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I know it wasn't just Ayton. And I remember hearing the stories about him alienating and freezing out players when he coached the Hornets too.

Yeah, it's two times now that has had issues dealing with players as a head coach. It's clear that a lot of players like him, but he just can't help, but to piss off some of them every where he goes.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

lmao when Ayton checks out AGAIN this year I want you all to come back and read all your Monty Williams fault BS

I doubt many if any on here think it is all on Monty. Though I think it's weird that you don't seem to want to admit that Monty was at least partially at fault here.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, it's two times now that has had issues dealing with players as a head coach. It's clear that a lot of players like him, but he just can't help, but to piss off some of them every where he goes.

Yeah I think he gets along well with most of the players but there appear to be too many exceptions.

 

[Germz249]

It's funny how you say you're old because I know how old you are, roughly, and I'd say you're in the younger group of posters here. This board skews older. Quite a few posters remember the Suns becoming a team and the Kareem coin flip. I don't mean they had vision quests to relive those moments either.

I feel old. I think being in your 40s is old.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I doubt many if any on here think it is all on Monty. Though I think it's weird that you don't seem to want to admit that Monty was at least partially at fault here.

I'm not sure anyone here thinks it's all on Monty or maybe even mostly on Monty. But Monty is supposed to be the grownup when things like this happen.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I doubt many if any on here think it is all on Monty. Though I think it's weird that you don't seem to want to admit that Monty was at least partially at fault here.

I think it's weird you're trying to act like it was only a Monty Williams and DeAndre Ayton situation when it clearly wasn't

Ayton pulled the same exact crap with CP3, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant AND THAT WAS ALL JUST THIS YEAR

So it's all of their faults too??

Does Monty deserve part of the blame? I reckon we'll know the answer to that this season when Frank Vogel can't get more out of DeAndre Ayton

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I think it's weird you're trying to act like it was only a Monty Williams and DeAndre Ayton situation when it clearly wasn't

Ayton pulled the same exact crap with CP3, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant AND THAT WAS ALL JUST THIS YEAR

So it's all of their faults too??

Does Monty deserve part of the blame? I reckon we'll know the answer to that this season when Frank Vogel can't get more out of DeAndre Ayton

I think it's clear that Monty played a role in the team flaming out 2 years in a row. Not only due to in game coaching, but also due to issues with personnel.

Ayton's exit interview with JJ after the season was all about how they planned on using him going forward and according to JJ, Ayton has been in the gym this offseason working on those things. Seems fair to say that those things aren't the things that Monty had him doing.

It's also clear that once Monty likes you he will ride with you regardless how you are playing and once he doesn't like you he will tend to keep you on the sidelines regardless how the other guys are playing.

 

[GatorAZ]

Monty did a piss poor job b/c a coach can’t ignore or give up on a player. You just have to lie or fake it no matter how frustrating it gets. Ayton wrecks my mental state as a fan but it’s not my job to coach him.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think it's weird you're trying to act like it was only a Monty Williams and DeAndre Ayton situation when it clearly wasn't

Ayton pulled the same exact crap with CP3, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant AND THAT WAS ALL JUST THIS YEAR

So it's all of their faults too??

Does Monty deserve part of the blame? I reckon we'll know the answer to that this season when Frank Vogel can't get more out of DeAndre Ayton

Except this ignores Monty had issues with other players like McGee and Crowder. He went through long stretches of playing guys that were clearly struggling because other guys fell out of favor. This isn't just an Ayton problem. I am with you on all your stuff on Ayton but Monty definitely takes some blame no matter what Vogel does. This doesn't even address Monty's horrible track record with game adjustments.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think it's clear that Monty played a role in the team flaming out 2 years in a row. Not only due to in game coaching, but also due to issues with personnel.

Ayton's exit interview with JJ after the season was all about how they planned on using him going forward and according to JJ, Ayton has been in the gym this offseason working on those things. Seems fair to say that those things aren't the things that Monty had him doing.

It's also clear that once Monty likes you he will ride with you regardless how you are playing and once he doesn't like you he will tend to keep you on the sidelines regardless how the other guys are playing.

I am rather familiar with these opinions - and again - Ayton spending time in the gym isn't going to solve a damn thing because his issues are mental issues - issues that can't be simulated in or fixed in a practice setting

Problem is Ayton chokes on the big stage - and Monty never once put his hands around the big man's neck - we're talking self induced chokage - he just can't handle the moment

But anyways I'll be more than happy to revisit all of this later in the season should Ayton continue to disappear or magically turn into a different person

 

[BirdGangThing]

Monty is gone, from now on you won't have anyone to blame Ayton on