4th round pick - Logan Thomas QB VT

[Dayman]

If Thomas can reach 80% of his potential, he'll change the fate of the franchise for the next decade. Seems like a worthy gamble in the middle of the fourth round.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He was VERY good his sophomore year when they actually had some talent around him on the offense. The last two years, the team had some of the worst offensive talent in the country. His accuracy issues came from a few things he does wrong with footwork (Staying on toes for example) but he CAN be very accurate and can make some throws that only a handful of QBs in the NFL can make.

Without watching many full VT games it is really hard for most to judge. They don't realize how hard it is to throw to guys that stop on routes, run wrong routes and can't catch the football. For most QBs, they could get a one-on-one with a safety and basically put the ball up for grabs resulting in a long completion or PI. When Thomas did that, his WRs had such bad ball skills that the defender would be the only one in the air making a play on the ball and it would results in INTs.

He became the player that many Hokie fans decided to blame for anything negative that happened. In the Alabama game his receivers had 13 plays where they either dropped a pass or stopped on a route. It got to the point where he could throw a hot read to a WR on a slant route, the WR would completely stop because they didn't want to get hit and it goes for a pick-6. He was the only thing the VT offense had and he had to force a lot of plays. Sometimes he forced far too much and it resulted in poor decisions on his part.

He is VERY humble and very intelligent. If he fails, it won't be because he didn't apply himself, or work as hard as he possibly could. I would be excited as a Cardinals fan because he isn't your typical great athlete with potential that lacks intelligence and work ethic. I would not be surprised if he became a great NFL QB but I am sure many other Hokie fans would disagree with me on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b_t3kmfruo

I don't usually expect to find a whole lot of well thought out comments like this one on youtube, but this guy seems to know what he is talking about and after watching some film on Thomas I can certainly see some of the things he is saying. Receivers stopping on routes, dropping passes and not making plays on the ball when it's in the air. There is no denying that Thomas had his struggle with accuracy, but there were also a ton of plays that were missed because of either poor talent at WR or poor coaching to these WRs to cause them to play poorly. Though I will have to go watch the Alabama tape to see if they were really that bad in that game.

Also consider how bad our offense looked early in the season this past year when nobody seemed to be on the same page. The receivers and the QB being on a different page alone can make a QB look terrible. Just imagine how terrible it might look on the QB when his receiver runs a deep in as apposed to the deep post that he was supposed to run. The ball will look like it was just inaccurate, but it was actually a wrong route by a receiver. That is what it has been like for essentially every year that Thomas has played, but with less and less offensive talent around him every year. That just isn't a recipe for success especially for a guy that is just getting his feet wet at the QB position.

 

[juza76]

Sorry guys but every player drafted is a project.do u think bortles is a sure franchise qb?
Thomas had a great sophomor season and then he wasnt surrounded by good receivers.
Look at the stats of tom brady this year with a mediocre group of receiver.
If people dont get open u cant be accurate.
Do u know guys how many receivers of virginia tech has been selected in the draft in the last 2 years?
4th round is worth the risk.so lets wait how he pan out.
I trust bruce arians,he has spend 30 years in the nfl,and he knows football better then his pockets,i dont think he is a masochist and drafting a player that cant be correctable

 

[THESMEL]

I think its a load of crap- We need our diaper changed! I don't think he would have been drafted - or we could have traded that pick for many 7th rounders - If this is our best move by ESPN standards- We really suck at drafting.




http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-car...cardinals-draft-wrap-up?ex_cid=espnapi_public

Best move: Drafting Logan Thomas. Quarterback has been a touchy subject around the Cardinals all offseason, especially since Carson Palmer has just one more year on his contract. Adding Thomas gives the Cardinals an option for the future. The best part of drafting Thomas is, as long as Palmer stays healthy, he won’t be forced into action this coming season. The longer Thomas can sit behind Palmer and learn Bruce Arians’ offense, the better he’ll be in the long run. Anyone watching the Cardinals in 2013 saw how long it took for the offense to grasp the intricate scheme Arians installed. Having a young quarterback immersed in it for about 10 months before he’s handed the keys will allow him to make a seamless transition. It’ll also take at least that long for Thomas to be ready to start. He has the physical tools, but there are accuracy issues that need to be addressed. It's a small trade-off for having a quarterback who can eventually be a starter.

 

[D-Dogg]

I think its a load of crap- We need our diaper changed! I don't think he would have been drafted - or we could have traded that pick for many 7th rounders - If this is our best move by ESPN standards- We really suck at drafting.




http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-car...cardinals-draft-wrap-up?ex_cid=espnapi_public

Best move: Drafting Logan Thomas. Quarterback has been a touchy subject around the Cardinals all offseason, especially since Carson Palmer has just one more year on his contract. Adding Thomas gives the Cardinals an option for the future. The best part of drafting Thomas is, as long as Palmer stays healthy, he won’t be forced into action this coming season. The longer Thomas can sit behind Palmer and learn Bruce Arians’ offense, the better he’ll be in the long run. Anyone watching the Cardinals in 2013 saw how long it took for the offense to grasp the intricate scheme Arians installed. Having a young quarterback immersed in it for about 10 months before he’s handed the keys will allow him to make a seamless transition. It’ll also take at least that long for Thomas to be ready to start. He has the physical tools, but there are accuracy issues that need to be addressed. It's a small trade-off for having a quarterback who can eventually be a starter.

Dude, you are so consistently wrong that it's an almost guarantee that this is the best draft class we've ever had and Logan Thomas will lead us to multiple Super Bowls and will be in the Hall of Fame.

Your perpetual high-blood-pressure posting has reached epic proportions in this draft, and I'm taking that as a good thing. The Leenart rating system pales in comparison to this freakout you've been having.

If you put a wet towel on your head and calm down, then re-read what you posted from ESPN, you'll see that it is pretty much exactly what others have said in the positive on this pick, and echoes BA and SK on the matter.

 

[Red Dawn]

 

[Mulli]

Dude, you are so consistently wrong that it's an almost guarantee that this is the best draft class we've ever had and Logan Thomas will lead us to multiple Super Bowls and will be in the Hall of Fame.

Your perpetual high-blood-pressure posting has reached epic proportions in this draft, and I'm taking that as a good thing. The Leenart rating system pales in comparison to this freakout you've been having.

If you put a wet towel on your head and calm down, then re-read what you posted from ESPN, you'll see that it is pretty much exactly what others have said in the positive on this pick, and echoes BA and SK on the matter.

I rate this 100 oUt of A hUnDRed! leEnuRT!!

 

[HoodieBets]

I rate this 100 oUt of A hUnDRed! leEnuRT!!

Very few posts make me laugh out loud but this made me laugh so hard people started looking at me.

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[Southpaw]

Who was the last player from Va Tech selected by the Cards? Not that it matters.

Kinda weird that so many college recruiters passed him by and so many Pro scouts/GMs passed him by and he is a future super star?

Thomas is admittedly a fluke pick, worth more as an athlete than as a quarterback who proved he cannot shoot straight.

 

[THESMEL]

yea

Wow just wow - Ok the plan is pass on Leinart and draft Logan Thomas in the 4th - even though probably nobody else would have drafted him? Like forever!

Yea I'm pretty fanatic and freaked out by this fanbase and ESPN's perspective. I wonder why The Harbaughs, Carrol and Fisher didn't think of this plan first?

The Big Stupids could have got Thomas in the 3rd! The best move of our draft would have been thorted!

Dude, you are so consistently wrong that it's an almost guarantee that this is the best draft class we've ever had and Logan Thomas will lead us to multiple Super Bowls and will be in the Hall of Fame.

Your perpetual high-blood-pressure posting has reached epic proportions in this draft, and I'm taking that as a good thing. The Leenart rating system pales in comparison to this freakout you've been having.

If you put a wet towel on your head and calm down, then re-read what you posted from ESPN, you'll see that it is pretty much exactly what others have said in the positive on this pick, and echoes BA and SK on the matter.

 

[desertdawg]

Yup, football is officially back.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I just can't wait for us to roll the "Log" out there in preseason

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't know about you guys but damn I'm excited to hear Shane and others report on Thomas arm in TC and watch the preseason games.

Logan Thomas is our Johnny Manziel. Both have fatal flaws that I am not sure they can overcome. I can't be a hypocrite and say accuracy in college isn't important because its one of the main tenants of what I believe. Johnny is a douchebag who make Leinart look like a choir boy and doesn't have half the arm talent Thomas does.

But Thomas has Arians/Tom Moore. Manziel has Shannahan fresh off the RG3 debacle. And we spent a 4th rd pick.

Will be fun to watch play out. And if he doesn't develop? Well I LOVE next years QB class with my guys Mariota and Winston, and secondary love for Bryce Petty, Hundley, and Kevin Hogan. If Thomas isn't the guy I'm all about trading the farm to get one of those top QBs.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

My favorite thing about this pick?

Like Chopper pointed out yesterday (like I did) Arians very much has a type of QB. As long as he is the HC you can bet we won't be taking guys like Manziel or Bridgewater. And I admit I watched a bit jealously as Wilson and Kap would scramble for first downs and wasn't sure at would ever be a part of the Cardinals Offense.

But damn did we just draft a guy who is 6'6, weighs 260, throws 60 mph (highest in combine history) and runs a 4.58?

I mean that highlight reel had me salivating if only for his running ability. Like others have said he doesn't work out flip him to TE in 2 years. But you got to get a physical beast like this on field. He's as impressive physically as Clowney if not more so.

 

[Totally_Red]

Don't like the pick, but if he doesn't work out 'we' have a solid tight end.

 

[desertdawg]

Don't like the pick, but if he doesn't work out 'we' have a solid tight end.

Yeah and we got him from Notre Dame, and his name isn't Logan. This is one thing that I keep reading over and over, and all the research I've done says it just isn't so. Logan is not, does not, and won't play TE in the NFL.

 

[GuernseyCard]

My favorite thing about this pick?

Like Chopper pointed out yesterday (like I did) Arians very much has a type of QB. As long as he is the HC you can bet we won't be taking guys like Manziel or Bridgewater. And I admit I watched a bit jealously as Wilson and Kap would scramble for first downs and wasn't sure at would ever be a part of the Cardinals Offense.

But damn did we just draft a guy who is 6'6, weighs 260, throws 60 mph (highest in combine history) and runs a 4.58?

I mean that highlight reel had me salivating if only for his running ability. Like others have said he doesn't work out flip him to TE in 2 years. But you got to get a physical beast like this on field. He's as impressive physically as Clowney if not more so.

And why Bortles would have been our pick - imo

 

[THESMEL]

I hope him the best, hope he can throw it through a block wall. Am preparing myself for another slobbering love affair with A QB in Arizona. Maybe BA will kiss this frog and He'll stay turned into his prince. Rah Rah

 

[Arizona's Finest]

And why Bortles would have been our pick - imo

I don't think that's opinion based on what I have read. Sounds like fact.

Makes me like the Jaguars draft that much better.

 

[kerouac9]

Has anyone watched him actually play?

Va Tech and Frank Beamer are all about Defense and Special teams play. It is not an offensive juggernaut. Does no one remember Jim Druckenmiller? Sean Glennon? Marcus(not Michael Vick)? Will Furrer? Tyrod Taylor? Same HC, same system, musical chair OCs. No one else recruited Thomas as a QB except Va Tech and surely they thought he would agree to switch positions once on campus.

Even Don Strock only ever became more than Dan Marino's fluffer. Va Tech has never been the Cradle of QBs. I don't care that if he is better than Stanton or whatisname, If he is the future, I have seen the future, and the future is brutally bad.

Come on folks. These guys running the Cards are not veteran proven football gurus. The blind faith in them is blinding and has no basis, yet. Let's give them the required 3 years before anointing them as genius.

Yeah... I was wondering if Beemer was still with the Hokies and whether anyone understood that the VaTech style of offense is to hang around for a few minutes until the defense can get back on the field and score some points. They're the college version of the 2011 Arizona Cardinals.

Who was the last player from Va Tech selected by the Cards? Not that it matters.

Kinda weird that so many college recruiters passed him by and so many Pro scouts/GMs passed him by and he is a future super star?

Hey, that's Ryan Williams' music! Always skeptical of VaTech RBs and DBs because they play in such a supportive system.

Arians very much has a type of QB.

Giants who can't hit the broad side of a barn? Exciting times.

 

[moklerman]

Regardless of how he turns out, that was one of the most impressive highlight reels I've seen of a QB throwing the ball. One of the most compact, quick, powerful passers I recall seeing.

 

[Buckybird]

Regardless of how he turns out, that was one of the most impressive highlight reels I've seen of a QB throwing the ball. One of the most compact, quick, powerful passers I recall seeing.

Wow, just wow. Thank goodness they didn't show his other 400 hundred hours of stinky QB play.

You guys remember John Skelton right? Ya know, the guy who's passes seemed to hit the Coors Light vendor in row 35, then three plays later knocked the cotton candy out of the kids hand in section 213 row 5 with another errant pass. Thomas IMO is less accurate than him at this point. I still say accuracy can't be taught to improve much & I could care less whom that QB genius is. Tim Teblow could be changed too right? Hehehe

The game tape don't lie fellas!!! If the Seahwaks, Niners or Lambs would've picked this kid, most here would've been howling & rolling with laughter on what a crappy pick it was.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Wow, just wow. Thank goodness they didn't show his other 400 hundred hours of stinky QB play.

You guys remember John Skelton right? Ya know, the guy who's passes seemed to hit the Coors Light vendor in row 35, then three plays later knocked the cotton candy out of the kids hand in section 213 row 5 with another errant pass. Thomas IMO is less accurate than him at this point. I still say accuracy can't be taught to improve much & I could care less whom that QB genius is. Tim Teblow could be changed too right? Hehehe

The game tape don't lie fellas!!! If the Seahwaks, Niners or Lambs would've picked this kid, most here would've been howling & rolling with laughter on what a crappy pick it was.

On your last point. More likely, we'd have worried that they knew something we didn't.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Has anyone watched him actually play?

Va Tech and Frank Beamer are all about Defense and Special teams play. It is not an offensive juggernaut. Does no one remember Jim Druckenmiller? Sean Glennon? Marcus(not Michael Vick)? Will Furrer? Tyrod Taylor? Same HC, same system, musical chair OCs. No one else recruited Thomas as a QB except Va Tech and surely they thought he would agree to switch positions once on campus.

Even Don Strock only ever became more than Dan Marino's fluffer. Va Tech has never been the Cradle of QBs. I don't care that if he is better than Stanton or whatisname, If he is the future, I have seen the future, and the future is brutally bad.

Come on folks. These guys running the Cards are not veteran proven football gurus. The blind faith in them is blinding and has no basis, yet. Let's give them the required 3 years before anointing them as genius.

What? Seriously, who do you think you are? Not proven football gurus? You think what Arians did with the Colts and then what he did with us in one year was a fluke? Come on Southpaw, Tom Moore's 10% of football knowledge tells you to be quiet alone and Moore is a guru at the QB position. Tom Moore is the guy that makes me believe Logan Thomas with a little tutoring has a chance... Tom Moore is an ace we have not had in our deck of Cards before

 

[football karma]

Why I don't like the pick:

Overall, the odds of post round 2 QBs becoming solid starters are extraordinarily low

Further, I can't recall a big armed, low accuracy college QB becoming an acceptable accuracy QB in the pros. Kaepernick perhaps?

On one hand, they say it's just the footwork -- but that must be a really hard thing to chNge consistently ( witness Skelton).

So this just seems like such a waste of pick. I guess gambling a 6th would have been fine, but a 4th is reasonably precious currency.