A Rams' Fan's View

[slanidrac16]

Is that what I said? Why all the animosity on this board?

I don't think the Rams win with their offense or put up a big score with their offense. NEXT time we meet, it will be a different story.

Yes, the Rams have done a complete rebuild over 3 seasons. This is the end game, not a rebuilding team with no QB.

No animosity from me, brother. Just point , counterpoint.

Yes , you did say this in another post.
"However, at some point the Rams are going to be very good on offense and that will be soon. MAYBE even this week."

Counterpoint. Your offens will have as much or more trouble with our defense as we will with your defense. And by the way, aside from our punter, our special teams are pretty good too.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No, I don't. I see those points coming from defense and special teams. I will be shocked if the Rams O scores 20, as I said.

If you look at the Rams with a new OC, scheme, QB, o-line and without RB1 RB2, and WR1 and think that's who they are offensively for the season, you are indeed going to be shocked. They are stacked with talent.

Most of us don't think they will be ready offensively until after the bye...but it's possible it can be sooner.

All teams can look great against weak defenses. Only the Niners are in the top half at number 15. This is the real deal. It's not just a D line either, it's the same mistake every fan I've heard from has said and then the secondary shut them down. This is the best D in football, bar none, and few are even close.

No defense that lets Kirk Cousins and the awful Redskins offense put up 24 points against it is the best D in football, bar non, and few are even close. Your D is good, but to be beating your chest about it being GREAT right now is laughable. Again, Kirk Cousins and the ragtag group of trash in Washington put up 400 yards of offense against your D. They looked good against the Hawks (who haven't looked good against anyone, even the Bears this season) and against the Steelers (who DO have a very good O), but both games were at home, where your team plays much better then it does on the road, where they're awful.

As for your O, it does have nice pieces and potential... but they've done nothing so far to show they can reach it. Gurley probably won't be Gurley until next season (most players take a full year to come back to full health from an ACL tear), your O-line still sucks, Foles is an average at best QB and you don't have a legit #1 WR.

That's your reality right now. A good D with the possibility to be very good, an offense that has potential at spots but hasn't come close to putting it together and a team that doesn't play well on the road. How anyone but the most homerific Rams fan can argue that is beyond me.

 

[RamzFanz]

The Rams blow on the road, Kirk Cousins posted a 110 QBR vs them, ONE HUNDRED AND TEN! KIRK COUSINS!!!

Last year the Rams lost to the Cards twice, in Stanton/Lindley games! Rams offense has averaged 8 points in the last 2 weeks.

The game has passed Jeff Fischer by, in-fact, it did so nearly a decade ago.

With the caveat "as long as Carson stays healthy", Cardinals win this by at least 17.

Cardinals 34, Rams 13.

I didn't know we only played one game this season. I thought we beat the Hawks and held the most prolific offense in the NFL to 12 points.

Rams are not ready for this game. I already said that. It's too soon. After the bye, they will be taking all comers. Bet on it. Not having your RB1, RB2, and WR1 in a new offense makes you look bad, it doesn't make you bad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I didn't know we only played one game this season. I thought we beat the Hawks and held the most prolific offense in the NFL to 12 points.

Rams are not ready for this game. I already said that. It's too soon. After the bye, they will be taking all comers. Bet on it. Not having your RB1, RB2, and WR1 in a new offense makes you look bad, it doesn't make you bad.

the Rams are not ready for this game... and yet they're going to go on the road and beat a team that is on fire right now and was on fire all last year before Palmer went down? And they're going to win by 10 points? Come on. There's some cognitive dissonance going on here.

 

[slanidrac16]

I didn't know we only played one game this season. I thought we beat the Hawks and held the most prolific offense in the NFL to 12 points.

Rams are not ready for this game. I already said that. It's too soon. After the bye, they will be taking all comers. Bet on it. Not having your RB1, RB2, and WR1 in a new offense makes you look bad, it doesn't make you bad.

Another mistake. I will argue the most prolific offense would be the team that has scored the most points this season....that would be us.

 

[slanidrac16]

the Rams are not ready for this game... and yet they're going to go on the road and beat a team that is on fire right now and was on fire all last year before Palmer went down? And they're going to win by 10 points? Come on. There's some cognitive dissonance going on here.

Cognitive dissonance! LOVE IT. Don't really know what it means , but I'm with you 100% CB! LOL!

 

[vince56]

The Rams took out Palmer and Stanton last year, costing Arians a playoff run. Don't count out a 50-burger being lit on your grill this weekend. This one is going to be personal.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Honestly, I get, sick and tired of opposing fans coming on this board every year. I don't care what your opinions are, you don't know our team and don't know us.

You, or someone like you, comes on here very year and wants to make all nice. I'm not about that. Screw your team and screw you. Your team has destroyed our QBs and I really hope the Cardinals make you and your family miserable. I hope you kick the dog and treat the wife like crap after you lose. I don't just say that, I really hope it happens.

Please don't post here anymore, I'll troll you and just get banned.

What a stupid and disrespectful thing to say. You must really be a 49ers fan.

 

[RamzFanz]

Your "best D in football" got 24 dropped on it by the Skins, 31 dropped on it by the not exactly high powered Seahawks, and you held the Steelers to 12 largely because you maimed their QB, Big Ben was on pace for over 300 yards.

Your D is ranked 18th vs by opposing QB rating, Cards are ranked 2nd, you are 21st in yards per carry, Cards are 6th. Your defense is ranked DEAD LAST in opposing QB completion percentage. Basically, unless you get a sack then the opposition is completing a pass.

So, in reality, you have some great guys at hitting the QB... and nothing else... on either side of the ball.

As long as Carson doesn't get wrecked the Cards are going to obliterate the Rams.

Wow...dude...I hope you are just smack talking and know better than that.

The Hawks O put up 18 points and the Steelers 12. How much better is the cards O than those?

"Big Ben was on pace for over 300 yards, no TDs, and multiple interceptions." I finished it for you. If you are going to extrapolate, at least extrapolate all the stats.

This is what every Hawks fan said to me. We put up so many yards on the Rams at home last season! Then I reminded them that there are no points for yards and they also lost.

Rams play bend but don't break defense. ANY TEAM can get yards on the Rams. But they are also one of the best in red zone defense. I hope the Cards' kicker is ready.

I'm not going to repeat why the Rams O, stacked with talent, is struggling. Believe me or not that the Rams O is just coming on-line.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wow...dude...I hope you are just smack talking and know better than that.

The Hawks O put up 18 points and the Steelers 12. How much better is the cards O than those?

"Big Ben was on pace for over 300 yards, no TDs, and multiple interceptions." I finished it for you. If you are going to extrapolate, at least extrapolate all the stats.

This is what every Hawks fan said to me. We put up so many yards on the Rams at home last season! Then I reminded them that there are no points for yards and they also lost.

Rams play bend but don't break defense. ANY TEAM can get yards on the Rams. But they are also one of the best in red zone defense. I hope the Cards' kicker is ready.

I'm not going to repeat why the Rams O, stacked with talent, is struggling. Believe me or not that the Rams O is just coming on-line.

are you just consciously ignoring that your D plays much better at home than it does on the road? You do realize this is a road game, right?

I'd actually get being as confident as you are if this game was being played in St. Louis. Your squad plays much better ball there, but it's not.

 

[slanidrac16]

Wow...dude...I hope you are just smack talking and know better than that.

The Hawks O put up 18 points and the Steelers 12. How much better is the cards O than those?

"Big Ben was on pace for over 300 yards, no TDs, and multiple interceptions." I finished it for you. If you are going to extrapolate, at least extrapolate all the stats.

This is what every Hawks fan said to me. We put up so many yards on the Rams at home last season! Then I reminded them that there are no points for yards and they also lost.

Rams play bend but don't break defense. ANY TEAM can get yards on the Rams. But they are also one of the best in red zone defense. I hope the Cards' kicker is ready.

I'm not going to repeat why the Rams O, stacked with talent, is struggling. Believe me or not that the Rams O is just coming on-line.

I must admit that the Cards in the Red Zone is not perfect. Although we've scored every time but had to settle for a FG...once.

 

[Jake6233]

I didn't know we only played one game this season. I thought we beat the Hawks and held the most prolific offense in the NFL to 12 points.

Rams are not ready for this game. I already said that. It's too soon. After the bye, they will be taking all comers. Bet on it. Not having your RB1, RB2, and WR1 in a new offense makes you look bad, it doesn't make you bad.

You keep bringing up the Seahawks game (which was only one game by the way) so why aren't we allowed to bring up the redskins game (which I honestly think is a better representation of what the rams are going to be as a football team this year). Beating the seahawks is great but how about following that up with a few more good performances as opposed to scoring 16 combined points in you're next two games.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

I didn't know we only played one game this season. I thought we beat the Hawks and held the most prolific offense in the NFL to 12 points.

Rams are not ready for this game. I already said that. It's too soon. After the bye, they will be taking all comers. Bet on it. Not having your RB1, RB2, and WR1 in a new offense makes you look bad, it doesn't make you bad.

Uh...actually you face the most prolific offense this Sunday...just sayin'.

 

[RamzFanz]

I can buy the Rams defense. No questions there

However, not sure Foles is the answer. Pretty rare for a team to give up on a young, cheap QB that can play. Yet the Eagles did just that. After a solid first game, Foles has regressed, playing worse in each week. This follows his Philly pattern. The skill people around him are NFL avg at best-- none would be a top 16 player at his position.

Gurley may be something, but unproven right now. Hard to see him having a major impact after only 6 carries last week. I suspect Fischer works him in pretty gradually during the year. Their entire approach to Gurley has been to be patient.

So it feels like the best the Rams could hope for is a low scoring game where a defensive or ST td could win it for them. That could always happen, but that's a tough way to win regularly- especially on the road.

Foles is a victim of dropped passes, a leaky o-line, and no RBs. He's not regressing, he's playing damn good ball considering. But, no stats to back that up so you'll just have to see for yourself.

The Rams didn't trade Warner, they cut him. How'd that work out for the Cards? A QB struggling in one system can thrive in another. No QB sets best in the history of the NFL records, gets a pro-bowl AND pro-bowl offensive MVP, and isn't good at some level in the right system.

Foles is perfect for the Rams. He will do what Bradford won't and the long list of backups couldn't. He throws a deep ball perfectly matched to the big receiver game like Quick's and Britt's. When those two are both on the field together for the first time this season, it will be a game changer.

Gurley? Great unproven expectations AFTER the bye. We know this. He's probably not a threat this weekend. We still have a stable of backs and Tavon Austin that CAN perform at a high level. Will the o-line make holes this week? No idea. But EVENTUALLY they will. They are almost all new at their positions with 3 new starters, two of them rookies. It's a work in progress but that o line is absolutely massive and hand picked to make running holes.


I don't know what the Rams hope for. I hope Palmer doesn't get hurt. I have no problem with the Cards and hope they keep on kicking ass. Is a low scoring D battle and ST or D scoring the BEST the Rams can hope for? Not even close. Not even in the ballpark. They can hope that the O is finally healthy and all starting and comes together and produces big numbers as they will at some point this season.

What I do know is that the Rams you think you are going to see all season, aren't the Rams who lost in Washington. I'm not just homering, I study this team and am a realist, not blowing smoke.

 

[RamzFanz]

Uh...actually you face the most prolific offense this Sunday...just sayin'.

This season. Fair enough.

 

[RamzFanz]

Rams D will ensure that this will be a close game. Tough game for sure. Turnovers and mistakes will make the difference.

If it's not, then hat's off to the Cards. Steelers and Hawks couldn't score on the Rams D. If Cards do, damn, I'm on board for a SB run.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I don't know what the Rams hope for.

I'd guess nice houses close to the beach after they go back to L.A. and put the Frontiere/Shaw years far, far behind them.

 

[Phrazbit]

You're a realist... and you say "Rams are not ready for this game, its too soon..." "Rams by 10".

So... if they were ready it would be Rams by 50? The league's worst offense and a mediocre D are going to explode into being the best team in the NFL in a few short weeks?

 

[RamzFanz]

No animosity from me, brother. Just point , counterpoint.

Yes , you did say this in another post.
"However, at some point the Rams are going to be very good on offense and that will be soon. MAYBE even this week."

Counterpoint. Your offens will have as much or more trouble with our defense as we will with your defense. And by the way, aside from our punter, our special teams are pretty good too.

Yes, it is possible the switch for the O is thrown this week. Possible, but not probable. I'm looking to after the bye with a monster at season's end. We have no idea why a healthy Quick isn't playing. Gurley is on a slow progression in his second week. Mason has been out and playing hurt. The o-line is improving, but not ready for prime time.

Could you see a glimpse of what I'm selling here this week? You absolutely could.

The Rams actually draft AND choose their starters for ST. If you're a rookie who can't play lights out ST, you aren't making the team unless you are Todd Gurley. They are bad ass at every level. Lockett scoring on a punt return against the Rams was just amazing. It just doesn't happen. That kid has a future.

The Rams kicker will set the longest FG record eventually. I've watched him kick 75 yard FGs in TC at a 50/50 ratio, I kid you not. The Punter is amazing. Not just at punts, but until last game, as a former QB, at fake punts. Last week was his first ever failure at a fake in the NFL. The sick part is it was all perfect until he threw low. Trust me, no one cares, he's amazing.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Dude you are drinking the coolaid. You just named a bunch of things based upon perception, none of it is reality. The ONLY thing the Rams have proved is that they have a pass rush.

What has trey mason done?
Gurley?
Foles?
Britt?
Tavon?
Rams secondary?
Jeff Fischer?
Oline?
Whats the Rams record?

Cards have proved everything with the exception of a passrush.

Not sure whats in your coolaid

 

[RamzFanz]

No defense that lets Kirk Cousins and the awful Redskins offense put up 24 points against it is the best D in football, bar non, and few are even close. Your D is good, but to be beating your chest about it being GREAT right now is laughable. Again, Kirk Cousins and the ragtag group of trash in Washington put up 400 yards of offense against your D. They looked good against the Hawks (who haven't looked good against anyone, even the Bears this season) and against the Steelers (who DO have a very good O), but both games were at home, where your team plays much better then it does on the road, where they're awful.

As for your O, it does have nice pieces and potential... but they've done nothing so far to show they can reach it. Gurley probably won't be Gurley until next season (most players take a full year to come back to full health from an ACL tear), your O-line still sucks, Foles is an average at best QB and you don't have a legit #1 WR.

That's your reality right now. A good D with the possibility to be very good, an offense that has potential at spots but hasn't come close to putting it together and a team that doesn't play well on the road. How anyone but the most homerific Rams fan can argue that is beyond me.

My reality right now is opposing fans making good points where I can say nothing except, just watch, you'll see. Just as I watched the Cards last season knowing the Rams crushed their hopes because you can't win a SB with no QB. It sucked. I know. So did my reality when Bradford went down yet again. I doubt you see this, but Cards and Rams would have led the NFCW last season with QBs.

Everything you just said is an amazing exaggeration of the Rams mistakes in a new system missing key players. That's OK, I get it, the most you know is from the media. I've seen **** in open and closed training camps and practices that will blow your mind when they roll them out.

Fair warning: The Cards are not running away with the NFCW unchallenged.

 

[ajcardfan]

If it's not, then hat's off to the Cards. Steelers and Hawks couldn't score on the Rams D. If Cards do, damn, I'm on board for a SB run.

The hawks scored 31 on the Rams.... come on, man. It's cool you are optimistic about your team, but your pro-Rams arguments are incredibly myopic.

 

[AZCrazy]

I'll go ahead and say welcome to the board for the week. The forum isn't just for like minded people to sit in a circle and pat each other on the back, it's for intelligent discussion. You are the first Rams fan here this year, and I'm sure you'll be followed by less erudite fellow fans.

The Rams D Line is stacked, of course. Some young but occasionally flashy offensive skill position guys. A linebacker or two. It's a decent framework to build on, but the O isn't going anywhere without an O Line and Fisher is a mediocre coach. He knows his X's and O's but no one is running through a wall for him.

Your team's problem this week is they are running into a Cardinals team that is firing on all cylinders at the same time. Strong O, strong D, great leadership, depth, and coaching. Good luck, and no injuries, but it's looking like this is our year.

 

[HeavyB3]

The only thing, and I do mean the only single thing, that concerns me about the rams is the pass rush. Nothing else I worry about. If Carson Palmer gets time to throw, no secondary in the league stands a chance. That's the bottom line. This year, we are much better on the o-line and have a much better rushing attack. Arians and company are no dummies, they'll figure out ways to slow down that pass rush long enough for Palmer to find open receivers.

Jeff Fisher teams are horribly inconsistent and the road is not a place to gain consistency. All those 10-6 predictions were all pipe dreams. I still fail to see the allure of Fisher. One time he got to the Superbowl. But I guess that's how Whis keeps finding work too.

 

[RamzFanz]

the Rams are not ready for this game... and yet they're going to go on the road and beat a team that is on fire right now and was on fire all last year before Palmer went down? And they're going to win by 10 points? Come on. There's some cognitive dissonance going on here.

Is that what I think? Yes, yes it is. Probably. Maybe. It depends. Could the Rams win by 10 in arizona? Damn straight they could.

I think the Cards have played easy teams and, from what I'm reading on here, are WAYYYY over confident. I think the Rams have been punched in the mouth by lesser teams because they have early season issues the Cards don't have and issues we KNEW they would have, but will go away soon.

The Cards are a very good team, perhaps great, and it will be a battle between them and the Rams for the NFCW and that's exactly the way I want it. You don't see it? OK. Just watch, it's coming.

By the way, the points will come from ST and D scores, not the Rams O. Never discount the Rams D and ST. I'm serious.