Adrian Peterson Crow Eating Thread

[RugbyMuffin]

I want some of y’all to eat crow on Josh McCown. Dude is still.

I could read War and Peace in the dark faster than Josh McCown read defenses when he was here. No. McCown earned his ticket out of AZ.

Since then, he has moved around a lot, but has made a respectable career. He has also since, become much better at pre-snap, and post-snap reads thus his success.

So, while I won't eat crow for McCown and his time here in AZ, I will say I am a big fan of his, and has been. From what I have heard and read Josh McCown is a stand up guy.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

No it's not a stupid analogy. By this logic, we should have been running wild after we got Emmitt Smith too. Adrian Peterson was something 2 seasons ago but the man is coming off of 2 blown out knees and wasn't even being used in NO and Minnesota didn't even want him anymore. All I'm saying is lets leave the corks on the champagne bottles for now because what's everyone going to say if, say, he comes out next week and has 42 yards on 15 carries? If he comes out and has even close to this past weekend then maybe we might be onto something but it's been 1 freaking game. Oh, and if you didn't like my Johnson correlation, then how about Thomas Jones? He had a fairly decent career but only had 1 good game for us.

I agree with you. It is one game!!!

 

[Buckybird]

The only thing that tempers my enthusiasm is:

At one point he had 7 carries for 76 yards.

He finished with 26 carries for 131 yards.

That means after the surprising great start he rushed 19 times for 55 yards.

That's 2.89 yards a carry. On 19 carries. That's a big sample size. And our oline started piling up holding calls. I fear what we saw initially might have been AP shooting his wad and then settling into 2017 cardinals reality. Hoping not, but have that creeping fear.

If you're gonna throw that out there how bout this then: he also had a 42 harder called back, along with about 20 other yards on penalties!!! So let's be real here he was better than the stats shown

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think Ouchie's point is more that as the game wore on, Peterson might have worn down. But I think with such a huge lead and us going conservative, the Bucs loaded up on the run and that gave Peterson less room to operate.

I'm still happy as a pig in slop at game one for AP, but I don't begrudge anyone who's hedging a tiny bit right now.

From my perspective, it did not look as much as Peterson slowing down but the guys on the OL slowing down and of course as you stated the Bucs gave him less room to run

 

[clif]

I could read War and Peace in the dark faster than Josh McCown read defenses when he was here. No. McCown earned his ticket out of AZ.

Since then, he has moved around a lot, but has made a respectable career. He has also since, become much better at pre-snap, and post-snap reads thus his success.

So, while I won't eat crow for McCown and his time here in AZ, I will say I am a big fan of his, and has been. From what I have heard and read Josh McCown is a stand up guy.

Haha. I had that in draft but didn’t realize it was included in this thread. I like Josh as a good guy. He obviously has never taken that next step to be a “Good” Qb. He has been serviceable and been super blessed.

 

[Jetstream Green]

No it's not a stupid analogy. By this logic, we should have been running wild after we got Emmitt Smith too. Adrian Peterson was something 2 seasons ago but the man is coming off of 2 blown out knees and wasn't even being used in NO and Minnesota didn't even want him anymore. All I'm saying is lets leave the corks on the champagne bottles for now because what's everyone going to say if, say, he comes out next week and has 42 yards on 15 carries? If he comes out and has even close to this past weekend then maybe we might be onto something but it's been 1 freaking game. Oh, and if you didn't like my Johnson correlation, then how about Thomas Jones? He had a fairly decent career but only had 1 good game for us.

Another analogy, using Emmitt Smith in comparison. Different person, different running style, different circumstances regarding his life, different team and coach and older. There are some players you cannot classify. Everyone is always so hell bent towards name association, as if it proves a point when it actually says nothing. You have a guy like Peterson, and how many times does this guy have to make everyone look completely moronic after saying what he cannot do. There is only one back in my observation which remotely compares to Peterson and that is Jim Brown, and I would not have doubted that guy either. I think instead of an analogy, we should be using metaphors because you cannot get a bead on him after what he has accomplished because his feats are not logical and under any other player you may very well be right. Peterson is like freaking Hurricane Harvey, he just keeps coming back, not as strong but still can do a lot of damage to you... and Thomas Jones and his 'decent' career to finish your point holds no merit which should be obvious, reaching for a telephone is not Peterson's kryptonite

 

[JCSunsfan]

If this trade got the Cardinals one extra win, it was worth it. Its a conditional pick. The risk is low.

It got them one win. Without AP, that TB game is a loss and the season is basically over.

Can't be anything but a good trade, even if he doesn't play another down.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If you're gonna throw that out there how bout this then: he also had a 42 harder called back, along with about 20 other yards on penalties!!! So let's be real here he was better than the stats shown

Uh those were HOLDING penalties which meant the oline sucked on those plays. And before anyone argues Greshams hold on the 42 yard run, watch it again, it WAS a hold, and that was the ONLY guy that could have stopped AP from the backside of the play, so it WAS a material penalty.

Remember, the run game is a combo of AP’s ability and the oline’s ability. AP showed ability. The oline showed ability in the first half, but returned to form in the second half. You can’t discount the oline sucking. Those penalties happened bc they aren’t very good. I hope additional time together will cause improvement, but other than the first half of Sunday’s game, we haven’t seen much evidence of the oline being any good this season. And the second half of this past game was more evidence of that.

 

[cardinals]

If this trade got the Cardinals one extra win, it was worth it. Its a conditional pick. The risk is low.

It got them one win. Without AP, that TB game is a loss and the season is basically over.

Can't be anything but a good trade, even if he doesn't play another down.

lol season would not have been over.. look around the league.
NY,GB,dallas,.they all suck now.
Seattle cant stop anyone.
Minn. will drop off because they host the SB ( call it what you want but it happens all the time)
the major players are dead.

 

[Proximo]

If this trade got the Cardinals one extra win, it was worth it. Its a conditional pick. The risk is low.

It got them one win. Without AP, that TB game is a loss and the season is basically over.

Can't be anything but a good trade, even if he doesn't play another down.

One extra win would be like 6 wins instead of 5. If that is the case, no it definitely was not worth it, because it ruins our draft position while accomplishing nothing.

This team needs to make the playoffs now or the AP trade was a mistake - that is my view anyway.

 

[JCSunsfan]

lol season would not have been over.. look around the league.
NY,GB,dallas,.they all suck now.
Seattle cant stop anyone.
Minn. will drop off because they host the SB ( call it what you want but it happens all the time)
the major players are dead.

8-8 will not get them the playoffs. If they had gone to 2-4, they would have to go 7-3 over the rest of the season to have a chance. No way that was going to happen. And every commentator was saying the same thing before the game. You are free to think they would have still been in the playoff hunt at 2-4, but I think that would be wrong.

 

[JCSunsfan]

One extra win would be like 6 wins instead of 5. If that is the case, no it definitely was not worth it, because it ruins our draft position while accomplishing nothing.

This team needs to make the playoffs now or the AP trade was a mistake - that is my view anyway.

So. What are the conditions on that conditional pick that we traded for AP?

 

[cardinals]

8-8 will not get them the playoffs. If they had gone to 2-4, they would have to go 7-3 over the rest of the season to have a chance. No way that was going to happen. And every commentator was saying the same thing before the game. You are free to think they would have still been in the playoff hunt at 2-4, but I think that would be wrong.

as a matter of fact..parity has made everyone suck and 8-8 will get you the playoffs all over the place now.
I bet 3 tams make the playoffs this year with a 8-8,7-9 and 9-7 records

 

[devilalum]

The only thing that tempers my enthusiasm is:

At one point he had 7 carries for 76 yards.

He finished with 26 carries for 131 yards.

That means after the surprising great start he rushed 19 times for 55 yards.

That's 2.89 yards a carry. On 19 carries. That's a big sample size. And our oline started piling up holding calls. I fear what we saw initially might have been AP shooting his wad and then settling into 2017 cardinals reality. Hoping not, but have that creeping fear.

The line contributed to his numbers going down in the second half. Those guys coming back from injury looked really gassed in the second half.


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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The line contributed to his numbers going down in the second half. Those guys coming back from injury looked really gassed in the second half.


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Yes, that’s what I’m saying. No matter if AP is capable he still has to run behind this line.

So you’re blaming it on lack of conditioning and not ability on the line.

If the line fails this week is it because we are in the UK? I just want to be prepared . . .

 

[Jetstream Green]

Look, I am not about to say Peterson is a 'top five' back now but he is solid at the very least and with Palmer that is all we really need to compete and score with the way we rely on play action and our WR set, we have to have the threat of a run

 

[BigRedRage]

as a matter of fact..parity has made everyone suck and 8-8 will get you the playoffs all over the place now.
I bet 3 tams make the playoffs this year with a 8-8,7-9 and 9-7 records

Parity is the reason the NFL is king.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Parity is the reason the NFL is king.

This is no longer parity but pure mediocrity in my opinion

 

[JeffGollin]

The most I expected was a bigger clone of CJ2K. Looks like we did a little better than that.

 

[TRW]

If AP gets 35 yards on 20 carries in London I am waiting for the "I Told You So About AP" thread that will pop up. LOL

 

[BigRedRage]

This is no longer parity but pure mediocrity in my opinion

Any team can win any Sunday, that's what matters

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If AP gets 35 yards on 20 carries in London I am waiting for the "I Told You So About AP" thread that will pop up. LOL

Haha. The reverse, or vomiting eaten crow, thread? Won’t be from me. Single success or failure isn’t enough to prove anything.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Any team can win any Sunday, that's what matters

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But it does feel more like mediocrity than parity this year. I suppose it keeps everyone’s hopes up but I’ll be interested to see how accomplished it feels to reach 8-8 or 9-7 and the playoffs (don’t get me wrong I still will be happy with reaching the playoffs, always, in any manner).

 

[BigRedRage]

But it does feel more like mediocrity than parity this year. I suppose it keeps everyone’s hopes up but I’ll be interested to see how accomplished it feels to reach 8-8 or 9-7 and the playoffs (don’t get me wrong I still will be happy with reaching the playoffs, always, in any manner).

I dunno, you can have this or have Golden State vs the Cavs every year. I'll take this every time

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I dunno, you can have this or have Golden State vs the Cavs every year. I'll take this every time

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Cmon, I feel like those are extremes. Something in between is preferable.