All quiet on Washington front

[CFLredzoned]

Am I the only one who doesn't believe he was skipping drug tests over weed? The last time we saw DWash playing at a Pro Bowl level, he was ridiculously jacked. To the point where anyone with eyes had to think 'oh crap, I hope he doesn't get drug tested.' And he didn't. Because he skipped the tests. I think he rolled the dice hoping he wouldn't get tested, but lost.

I have a hard time believing DWash will ever get back to the same level. I think the position lends itself to PEDs more than any other position. You're asking a 220-lb guy to add 25 lbs of lean muscle and not lose a step on his 40 time. There's a reason elite players at that position disappear once they're "in the program". See Sean Merriman. How many Pro Bowls has Brian Cushing been to since he won defensive rookie of the year, then got popped and had to enter the program? I think DWash can be an above average ILB if he has to do it clean. But will he do it?

These are all just theories of course. I hope I'm completely full of **** and we do see DWash back playing at a high level. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have a hard time believing DWash will ever get back to the same level.

+1.

But, not because I think he used PED (he very well could've BTW), but just because he has not been practicing his skills, and that he is going to be 29 years old.

Its not like he is getting younger, and his best assets are his speed and quickness, if those start to go before he can get his skills polished again, he will just be an undersized linebacker.

Guys like Ray Lewis, or Brian Urlacher stay in the league so long because they are fast, AND big. They lose a couple steps but can still play because of their power. Washington does not have that option. He loses his speed and he becomes worthless.

 

[BigRedRage]

Am I the only one who doesn't believe he was skipping drug tests over weed? The last time we saw DWash playing at a Pro Bowl level, he was ridiculously jacked. To the point where anyone with eyes had to think 'oh crap, I hope he doesn't get drug tested.' And he didn't. Because he skipped the tests. I think he rolled the dice hoping he wouldn't get tested, but lost.

I have a hard time believing DWash will ever get back to the same level. I think the position lends itself to PEDs more than any other position. You're asking a 220-lb guy to add 25 lbs of lean muscle and not lose a step on his 40 time. There's a reason elite players at that position disappear once they're "in the program". See Sean Merriman. How many Pro Bowls has Brian Cushing been to since he won defensive rookie of the year, then got popped and had to enter the program? I think DWash can be an above average ILB if he has to do it clean. But will he do it?

These are all just theories of course. I hope I'm completely full of **** and we do see DWash back playing at a high level. But I'm not holding my breath.

I believe it was weed. Hes been popped for dirty weed UAs enough that it is believable that he was avoiding them because of weed.

It could be steroids but I am not naive, I believe most of the league is on PEDs and is just good at passing tests.

 

[Dude]

I believe it was weed. Hes been popped for dirty weed UAs enough that it is believable that he was avoiding them because of weed.

It could be steroids but I am not naive, I believe most of the league is on PEDs and is just good at passing tests.

+1

 

[CardLogic]

this is where I'm at. He put himself ahead of the team multiple times, hurt them in both seasons and beat up a woman... while already facing a suspension. If this guy was on any other team, the overwhelming majority of you espousing the "second chance" theory would be railing that he should be out of the league.

I don't condone anything DWash did, because he put himself in that situation.

However your statement is far from factual. Shoving someone; that was flailing away at you; who then falls and breaks their collarbone because of the shove, is not "beating them up".

 

[juza76]

I don't condone anything DWash did, because he put himself in that situation.

However your statement is far from factual. Shoving someone; that was flailing away at you; who then falls and breaks their collarbone because of the shove, is not "beating them up".

i m pretty sure he will say that shoving a woman is like beating her cause if u play football there is a huge differents of weight .
we werent there to know what lead dwash act in that way,sometimes women are able to make u crazy
i just think his intention was not to break her collarbone,and a shove cant be considered like punching or slapping a woman
it was the first time he has been charged with aggression so i think we (as a fans) could give him a second chance

 

[splitsecond]

shoving, shaking, holding down - it is ALL the same thing. he gets a little bit of mitigation because he was provoked, but its all inexcusable. period.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

shoving, shaking, holding down - it is ALL the same thing. he gets a little bit of mitigation because he was provoked, but its all inexcusable. period.

Agreed.

But, someone has to to talk to women about how it is inexcusable to exploit the fact they have a "I can do what ever I want and I won't get touched" card. Just sayin'

Sent from my intergalactic transmorgapher

 

[Goldfield]

Agreed.

But, someone has to to talk to women about how it is inexcusable to exploit the fact they have a "I can do what ever I want and I won't get touched" card. Just sayin'

Sent from my intergalactic transmorgapher

This x 1000

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't condone anything DWash did, because he put himself in that situation.

However your statement is far from factual. Shoving someone; that was flailing away at you; who then falls and breaks their collarbone because of the shove, is not "beating them up".

and putting his hands around her neck and choking her was him just playing ring around the rosey? That TOO is FACT. Give me a break. He beat her up, got charged with aggravated assault and plead GUILTY. Maybe choking a woman and then shoving her down to the ground isn't beating someone up in your world, but it is in mine... and apparently the view of courts as well... and likely yours if he was wearing a Niners jersey.

 

[Covert Rain]

and putting his hands around her neck was him just playing ring around the rosey? Give me a break. He beat her up, got charged with aggravated assault and plead GUILTY. Maybe choking a woman and then shoving her down to the ground isn't beating someone up in your world, but it is in mine... and apparently the view of courts as well... and likely yours if he was wearing a Niners jersey.

+1

 

[speedy]

Agreed.

But, someone has to to talk to women about how it is inexcusable to exploit the fact they have a "I can do what ever I want and I won't get touched" card. Just sayin'

Sent from my intergalactic transmorgapher

+1


Cheese- you are a pretty judgmental character. I happen to work in public safety, so I see a lot of reality. You're pretty much full of hot air bud. You have little idea what the reality of domestic violence actually is. I actually have a hard time believing you would manage to get laid with as out of touch as you are. 50 shades of gray bud, and it aint just about a chic flick on sex....

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

+1


Cheese- you are a pretty judgmental character. I happen to work in public safety, so I see a lot of reality. You're pretty much full of hot air bud. You have little idea what the reality of domestic violence actually is. I actually have a hard time believing you would manage to get laid with as out of touch as you are. 50 shades of gray bud, and it aint just about a chic flick on sex....

No need to be a jackass about it, the irony of your judgemental response is fun.

 

[speedy]

No need to be a jackass about it, the irony of your judgemental response is fun.

I truly don't think I'm the one being a jackass about it loyalty. I suppose if you say it was, than ok.

Cheese has made it a point to toss blanket statements regarding DV at every turn of this DW saga. The "court" doesn't even operate with such absolute pigheadedness.

Im actually a victim of DV. I wasn't identified as such until I went through prosecution for DV, when through the course of my trial, it became clear I didn't commit the acts I was accused of, but rather acted to defend myself. The fact I opted to go to trial, vs just take the diversion option offered to me, was extremely brazen; there are many dudes just like me who just submitted to the diversion program because the deck is so stacked against you at trial. Because people like cheese exist, who can't see past the headlines/attention grabbers, and think they have this "zero tolerance" policy (when in reality it's zero critical thinking ability) for ANY MAN WHO LAYS HIS HANDS ON A WOMAN, most men are afraid to stand up and risk losing everything (child custody, firearms, a job, etc.). There is always more to the story.

I'm hardly suggesting DW is innocent- just saying there is probably a lot more to the story than what meets the eye (as it is in many cases). People should keep an open mind about DW.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think this bit by Bill Burr covers it (language):

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[Cheesebeef]

+1


Cheese- you are a pretty judgmental character. I happen to work in public safety, so I see a lot of reality. You're pretty much full of hot air bud. You have little idea what the reality of domestic violence actually is. I actually have a hard time believing you would manage to get laid with as out of touch as you are. 50 shades of gray bud, and it aint just about a chic flick on sex....

Stay classy Speedy!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I dont give a ish about any of the off field. Get him on the field asap. He messes up again see ya later. But damn he is a good player. Really really good. We need him. Im not going to judge anything beyond that. If the Cards are ok with keeping him (and Arians said the players felt this way which is important) then im more then okay with it.

Hopefully this gets some clarity soon. OUr ceiling with Washington is much higher then without. He would be the AP level impact to our defense we sorely need.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I dont give a ish about any of the off field. Get him on the field asap. He messes up again see ya later. But damn he is a good player. Really really good. We need him. Im not going to judge anything beyond that. If the Cards are ok with keeping him (and Arians said the players felt this way which is important) then im more then okay with it.

Hopefully this gets some clarity soon. OUr ceiling with Washington is much higher then without. He would be the AP level impact to our defense we sorely need.

I agree with this. If he's re-instated by the NFL and the Cards are okay with him, I'm okay too. I'd much rather have him playing for the Cards than a division rival.

 

[cardpa]

Some interesting posts here. Seems there are several camps regarding this subject. What I found most interesting in the Billy Burr video is how often he mentioned that there are a bunch of reasons you may want to hit a woman but it doesn't mean you actually act it out or do it.

I think Speedy is a bit bias on the subject because he went through a DV prosecution and it seems quite apparent that he holds some resentment even though it appears to me that the court found him innocent. I do applaud him for having the courage to take it to trial because like he said that can be a touch and go situation unless you have good evidence or witnesses that can back you up.

There are a certain percentage of guys out there that really do have a problem and will hit a woman at a flip of a switch. For others it's a loss of temper and the inability to control their emotions and not having enough sense to just walk away from a volatile situation.

I get the desire to hit a woman however I can never condone actually carrying out the desire to hit a woman. Guys need to be smarter than that. And as always there is an exception to the rule. If a woman ever came at me with a weapon, say a knife, of a baseball bat or whatever then a guy does have a right to defend himself from bodily harm. I would just hope they would do only what is necessary to disarm the woman and nothing more.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If a woman ever came at me with a weapon, say a knife, of a baseball bat or whatever then a guy does have a right to defend himself from bodily harm. I would just hope they would do only what is necessary to disarm the woman and nothing more.

Life or Death situations only have one of two outcomes, and I don't care, who or what is in Thunderdome with me, but if anyone, or anything puts me in a "life or death" situation. My one and only thought is to survive by any means necessary. I am not going to think about how to disarm a woman when she is thinking of how to kill me. Sorry, that is crazy.

Because in reality, a lot of these civil rules, and laws are just that, a product of civilization, so in order for those rules/laws to apply to the current situation, whatever it may be, it must stay in the world of civility.

If someone, or something forces me into a life or death situation, then civility is out the window, and I will go back to old school, anarchy and feral behavior. Being P.C. and civil is all well and good, but its not a one way street. People are not going to just let you kill them, or threaten them with a weapon. Woman or man. Cause that is just plain crazy town.

 

[kerouac9]

If a woman ever came at me with a weapon, say a knife, of a baseball bat or whatever then a guy does have a right to defend himself from bodily harm. I would just hope they would do only what is necessary to disarm the woman and nothing more.

This is profoundly stupid. If a woman is coming at you with a weapon, you've already done something to escalate the situation and displayed profoundly bad judgement. No one just knocks on their door and their ex opens it up with a knife in their hand unless there's a pretty terrible history that the one who knocks is ignoring.

A comment like this reminds me of this classic Onion article:

Man Always Carries Gun In Case He Needs to Escalate Situation

 

[TJ]

If a woman ever came at me with a weapon, say a knife, of a baseball bat or whatever then a guy does have a right to defend himself from bodily harm. I would just hope they would do only what is necessary to disarm the woman and nothing more.

What if that person was a man? In the interest of equality, should we also "only" do what it takes to disarm the person and nothing more?

 

[cardncubfan]

This is profoundly stupid. If a woman is coming at you with a weapon, you've already done something to escalate the situation and displayed profoundly bad judgement. No one just knocks on their door and their ex opens it up with a knife in their hand unless there's a pretty terrible history that the one who knocks is ignoring.

A comment like this reminds me of this classic Onion article:

Man Always Carries Gun In Case He Needs to Escalate Situation

There are a lot of crazy ass people out there be it man or woman. What if it's just a woman on bath salts & she's trying to eat your face? You did absolutely nothing to escalate the situation. Why does it have to be the man did something wrong to make a woman attack?

 

[kerouac9]

There are a lot of crazy ass people out there be it man or woman. What if it's just a woman on bath salts & she's trying to eat your face? You did absolutely nothing to escalate the situation. Why does it have to be the man did something wrong to make a woman attack?

Wrong. I challenge you to justify this in the case of domestic violence.

 

[SO91]

Wrong. I challenge you to justify this in the case of domestic violence.

Are you saying if a man is unfaithful, they've escalated the situation to the point that the woman acting crazy and coming at him with a knife is...justified?