All quiet on Washington front

[Cardiac]

Looks like Mike Jurecki recently exchanged text msg's with DW...

http://www.foxsports910.com/onair/m...washington-confident-that-something-13695887/

Thanks for the link, this is the information that all of us have been looking for.

So it sounds like it's in the comishes hands now and DW will be in shape to play football.

Well that's what I got out of the article but I'm not getting my hopes up because DWashout has a poor track record.

 

[JCSunsfan]

At this point, suspending Washington further would be punishing good behavior. He has done everything right, finally, for 12 months. The DV is now a misdemeanor and he has been clean.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Goodell to make a big deal about a turnaround story. From a PR perspective for the NFL it would be "no more punishment, one year is enough" and promote it as a "bad actor becomes good guy" story.

For them to suspend him two more games while talking about how horrible his crime was would just be more negative PR.

 

[BigRedRage]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-something-will-work-out-with-reinstatement/

 

[Dude]

I didn't like the part about seeing if the Cardinals would want him back. I would hope if he stays out of trouble we give him his last shot. Our luck he would have 5 pro-bowl years with another team.

 

[BigRedRage]

I didn't like the part about seeing if the Cardinals would want him back. I would hope if he stays out of trouble we give him his last shot. Our luck he would have 5 pro-bowl years with another team.

if he can play he will be here.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I didn't like the part about seeing if the Cardinals would want him back. I would hope if he stays out of trouble we give him his last shot. Our luck he would have 5 pro-bowl years with another team.

That was the writer's opinion, nothing more. Everything indicates they want him back.

 

[Cheesebeef]

At this point, suspending Washington further would be punishing good behavior. He has done everything right, finally, for 12 months. The DV is now a misdemeanor and he has been clean.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Goodell to make a big deal about a turnaround story. From a PR perspective for the NFL it would be "no more punishment, one year is enough" and promote it as a "bad actor becomes good guy" story.

For them to suspend him two more games while talking about how horrible his crime was would just be more negative PR.

completely disagree. the guy did the crime, he needs to do the time. period. ESPECIALLY since he did the crime WHILE ALREADY on thin ice.

 

[TimTheToolmanTebow]

DWash = God. We all saw how bad the defense was without him last year.

 

[speedy]

completely disagree. the guy did the crime, he needs to do the time. period. ESPECIALLY since he did the crime WHILE ALREADY on thin ice.

I had a couple of bad times in my life when I was wrong. It seems as though when I made one bad decision, I easily made a couple-few more. Even to this day, some weeks are just really challenging for me, and its usually because I haven't taken the time to get focused or I need to change something about my attitude. I understand he committed a couple of offenses/incidents where he violated the leagues conduct policy, but I do believe a full year out of the league, the rehab he has complied with, and the drug tests he has presumably came up negative on, should allow for a full reinstatement. Let's face it, one more incident and he is gone and out of the league. I think he knows he is on thin ice.

With that said, I have a hard time believing Roger Goddell would have the balls to make such a decision, especially now that the anti-domestic violence coalition has the league by their balls... He will be facing anywhere from a 2-6 game suspension, mark it down.

 

[juza76]

I had a couple of bad times in my life when I was wrong. It seems as though when I made one bad decision, I easily made a couple-few more. Even to this day, some weeks are just really challenging for me, and its usually because I haven't taken the time to get focused or I need to change something about my attitude. I understand he committed a couple of offenses/incidents where he violated the leagues conduct policy, but I do believe a full year out of the league, the rehab he has complied with, and the drug tests he has presumably came up negative on, should allow for a full reinstatement. Let's face it, one more incident and he is gone and out of the league. I think he knows he is on thin ice.

With that said, I have a hard time believing Roger Goddell would have the balls to make such a decision, especially now that the anti-domestic violence coalition has the league by their balls... He will be facing anywhere from a 2-6 game suspension, mark it down.

best post of the thread

 

[Cheesebeef]

I had a couple of bad times in my life when I was wrong. It seems as though when I made one bad decision, I easily made a couple-few more. Even to this day, some weeks are just really challenging for me, and its usually because I haven't taken the time to get focused or I need to change something about my attitude. I understand he committed a couple of offenses/incidents where he violated the leagues conduct policy, but I do believe a full year out of the league, the rehab he has complied with, and the drug tests he has presumably came up negative on, should allow for a full reinstatement. Let's face it, one more incident and he is gone and out of the league. I think he knows he is on thin ice.

I'm betting you'd think differently if a player on the Niners or Seahawks were in similar positions.

Bottom line... he paid for his stupidity with the drug suspensions, but hasn't yet done time for his much worse crime, beating a woman.

 

[cardncubfan]

At this point, suspending Washington further would be punishing good behavior. He has done everything right, finally, for 12 months. The DV is now a misdemeanor and he has been clean.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Goodell to make a big deal about a turnaround story. From a PR perspective for the NFL it would be "no more punishment, one year is enough" and promote it as a "bad actor becomes good guy" story.

For them to suspend him two more games while talking about how horrible his crime was would just be more negative PR.

Good post JC. Never thought of it that way but it's a good idea from a PR standpoint.

 

[cardncubfan]

best post of the thread

I agree

 

[speedy]

I'm betting you'd think differently if a player on the Niners or Seahawks were in similar positions.

Bottom line... he paid for his stupidity with the drug suspensions, but hasn't yet done time for his much worse crime, beating a woman.

Yes he has paid for it. He was charged, attended 36 weeks of a diversionary program, paid a settlement, and most likely had it stuck in and broke off in the family court... Whether you like it or not, he has paid the piper IAW the provisions set forth in ARS title 13...

 

[schutd]

Good post JC. Never thought of it that way but it's a good idea from a PR standpoint.

I don't know, man. What if he completely poops the bed again? I don't think the league would roll the dice to put a positive spin on a story that could just as easily go south. The potential for eggy face is a little too high.

They're going to do what works, and there will be no PR behind it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yes he has paid for it. He was charged, attended 36 weeks of a diversionary program, paid a settlement, and most likely had it stuck in and broke off in the family court... Whether you like it or not, he has paid the piper IAW the provisions set forth in ARS title 13...

He hasn't paid for it as far as the league is concerned because he was an idiot and got busted for something else before they could punish him for beating his ex up.

Bottom line, he hasn't done the time for the crime as far as the league is concerned and the league would be RIGHTFULLY raked over the coals by everyone if they just decided he didn't need to be punished for assaulting his ex. I mean... You guys talk about how it could even be a GOOD PR move to not suspend him at all. That's ludicrous. The message everyone would take from that is the league cares more about a guy getting high then beating women. The NFL would get KILLED for that... And rightfully so.

Just because Washington has complied with MANDATORY court orders doesn't relieve him of the burden of his actions which he hasn't been punished by the league for yet.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Yes he has paid for it. He was charged, attended 36 weeks of a diversionary program, paid a settlement, and most likely had it stuck in and broke off in the family court... Whether you like it or not, he has paid the piper IAW the provisions set forth in ARS title 13...

He has not been punished by his employer yet. Big difference between jumping through the hoops the law makes you jump through once you've committed a crime and facing a suspension at work because they have consequences for off-the-field crimes as well.

 

[Zeno]

He has not been punished by his employer yet. Big difference between jumping through the hoops the law makes you jump through once you've committed a crime and facing a suspension at work because they have consequences for off-the-field crimes as well.

Yep if I did similar to what he did I would be fired by now, the multiple failed drug tests would likely have been enough but adding a DV on top of it would have guaranteed my career was done.

 

[splitsecond]

He hasn't paid for it as far as the league is concerned because he was an idiot and got busted for something else before they could punish him for beating his ex up.

Bottom line, he hasn't done the time for the crime as far as the league is concerned and the league would be RIGHTFULLY raked over the coals by everyone if they just decided he didn't need to be punished for assaulting his ex. I mean... You guys talk about how it could even be a GOOD PR move to not suspend him at all. That's ludicrous. The message everyone would take from that is the league cares more about a guy getting high then beating women. The NFL would get KILLED for that... And rightfully so.

Just because Washington has complied with MANDATORY court orders doesn't relieve him of the burden of his actions which he hasn't been punished by the league for yet.

Let's be honest here, no one can do enough time as far as the league is concerned anymore. Goodell still arrogantly tries to punish players under the new rules for things that happened before they were in place - which is CLEARLY a due process violation and has been held to be so by a Judge at this point.

I doubt he gets off scott free. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Goodell be an idiot and try and use the new rules AGAIN. IMO he just needs to be given his 2 gamer like he would have if he hadn't been popped for weed and be done with it. Then everyone can move on, with or without him.

 

[speedy]

He has not been punished by his employer yet. Big difference between jumping through the hoops the law makes you jump through once you've committed a crime and facing a suspension at work because they have consequences for off-the-field crimes as well.

I get the point both you and Cheese are making here Brian, but consider this:

Gregg Hardy inevitably had charges dropped in his DV case, but the league took it upon themselves to investigate the situation on their own, and dole out punishment HOWEVER they saw fit. Nothing was ever "proven," both sides of the story were never weighed in court, all charges were dropped, he was never found guilty, yet still faces a 8-9 game suspension by the league (above the 6 game just set less than a year ago).

I would argue that, if the league feels free to overstep the legal system/due process, and punish a player in spite of charges being dropped (and yes, I realize there was a payoff/settlement that was reached outside of court which allowed for this), AND punish him more than the 6 games they set forth for 1st time DV, then SURELY they could also weigh the progress/compliance/good behavior Darryl Washington has demonstrated over the course of the last year.

Remember, Darryl pled guilty, took his punishment, and followed through with his rehabilitative process... This crap the league is doing should cut both ways IMO.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Charges were dropped against Ray Rice as well. Doesn't change the fact that his actions and the actions of DWash reflect poorly on the league.

This isn't some kind of double jeopardy or violation of due process. They are punished separately from the law because of the harm they do to the league's image as spelled out it the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf

Standard of Conduct:

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful.

Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Charges were dropped against Ray Rice as well. Doesn't change the fact that his actions and the actions of DWash reflect poorly on the league.

This isn't some kind of double jeopardy or violation of due process. They are punished separately from the law because of the harm they do to the league's image as spelled out it the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf

Standard of Conduct:

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful.

Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it is double jeapardy. The NFL is perfectly within its rights to suspend him more. Its just been a long time since the offense, and Washington, by all accounts, has turned himself into a good citizen in that time. It is also within their rights to recognize that.

We will see.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I get the point both you and Cheese are making here Brian, but consider this:

Gregg Hardy inevitably had charges dropped in his DV case, but the league took it upon themselves to investigate the situation on their own, and dole out punishment HOWEVER they saw fit. Nothing was ever "proven," both sides of the story were never weighed in court, all charges were dropped, he was never found guilty, yet still faces a 8-9 game suspension by the league (above the 6 game just set less than a year ago).

I would argue that, if the league feels free to overstep the legal system/due process, and punish a player in spite of charges being dropped (and yes, I realize there was a payoff/settlement that was reached outside of court which allowed for this), AND punish him more than the 6 games they set forth for 1st time DV, then SURELY they could also weigh the progress/compliance/good behavior Darryl Washington has demonstrated over the course of the last year.

Remember, Darryl pled guilty, took his punishment, and followed through with his rehabilitative process... This crap the league is doing should cut both ways IMO.

Right... Daryl plead GUILTY and hasn't been punished for that yet. End of story as far as I'm concerned and the league trying to clean up it's terrible image is far from crap and the PLAYERS AGREED to the code of conduct. You don't want to get suspended? Don't do enough drugs to get suspended before your assault charges can even be levied. Simple as that.

 

[Reddog]

and Washington, by all accounts, has turned himself into a good citizen in that time. It is also within their rights to recognize that.

We will see.

The NFL is full of lawyers and lawyers think about liability. Given how little info there really is on DWash and how good a citizen he is or isn't I think it is tough to project. I am not sure the NFL would go out on a limb with a guy who copped to domestic violence and give him much of a pass and then risk that he does it again. They have nothing to win by cutting him slack and everything to lose PR wise. I suspect he will get whatever they deem fit for the crime - two games, four or maybe six - who knows?

 

[Cheesebeef]

The NFL is full of lawyers and lawyers think about liability. Given how little info there really is on DWash and how good a citizen he is or isn't I think it is tough to project. I am not sure the NFL would go out on a limb with a guy who copped to domestic violence and give him much of a pass and then risk that he does it again. They have nothing to win by cutting him slack and everything to lose PR wise. I suspect he will get whatever they deem fit for the crime - two games, four or maybe six - who knows?

Agree with. And it would be PR SUICIDE to give him a pass for the domestic violence charge. How any of you think there is in any way shape or form that Washington doesn't get suspended, I don't even know what to say.