Amare Lobbying For Knicks Gig In 2010

[elindholm]

Good lord, what makes you think Memphis would agree to that? Are you sure you don't want to ask for Gay and Gasol while you're at it?

 

[WildBB]

I posted this else where.. but it is EXACTLY what we need to do with memphis...

Suns Trade:

Amare

Suns Receive:

Darko Milicic (expiring contract)
Greg Buckner (expiring contract)
Darrell Arthur
#2 pick
#35 pick

Amare will not be a suns after the 2010 season... We need to be working the phones HARD before the draft, and secure Rubio...

anyone who thinks we should just keep amare and HOPE to resign him is living in lalal land, it isn't happending, we need to take charge and get something for him....

I don't think Memphis even wants him now. They could have gotten him at the trade deadline last yr. but pulled out. Suns wanted too much for him. Rudy Gay and someone else I think.

Stodemire will be a FA and won't stay in Memphis, that's for sure.

 

[cly2tw]

And NY would never do that. At least not this summer. Wanna talk about ridiculous??

NY might do the deal for Nash, not for Amare. That's too high of a price to pay for anybody who has not been 2xMVP.

I understand some of you don't want him on your team, but I want him on my team. Hope his eye is healthy and I like his bravado. Just about every good very fighter has it. When we don't have a dominant inside finisher with a decent jumpshot, you may rethink what Amare brings to the table, instead of what he doesn't.

I miss Suns playoffs...Amare is no T-Mac. We wont play better without him or with a filler but some will always want what they don't have. Only time will tell.

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Agree. I believe Amare can't be traded this offseason anyway. It'd be the so-called winner's curse for any team that acquires him. For Suns, the worst is that he opts out and walks out next year, leaving us at least the additional cap of 17mil.

In this sense, what Amare now says or not is irrelevant. We'll see the season whether he is healthy enough.

 

[jandaman]

If Stoudemire stays, Suns will need to get a elite point guard to get hiim the ball...and run the offense so Stoudemire is a finisher and pick and roll partner....
because Suns werent very successful going through him in the offense as a focal point inside, primarily because he doesnt play enough defense.... ala Garnett, Duncan etc... he is Nowitski type....



Or just rebuild Suns and establish a better defensive lineup

 

[AsUdUdE]

Good lord, what makes you think Memphis would agree to that? Are you sure you don't want to ask for Gay and Gasol while you're at it?

Actually yeah, if we could get Gay as well, I would LOVE that

The bottom line is we are trading an elite player for a couple expiering contracts and a draft pick.... It is not that ridculous...

Memphis would have a starting lineup of

PG: Conley/Jaric
SG: OJ Mayo/Jaric
SF: Rudy Gay/Warrick
PF: Amare/Arthur
C: Gasol/Foyle

Mayo/Gay/Amare is a pretty damn good 1-2-3....

And yeah the trade may have to be tweaked a bit, (ala, subtract the #35 pick, add #14) but it could work for both teams...

 

[cly2tw]

If Stoudemire stays, Suns will need to get a elite point guard to get hiim the ball...and run the offense so Stoudemire is a finisher and pick and roll partner....
because Suns werent very successful going through him in the offense as a focal point inside, primarily because he doesnt play enough defense.... ala Garnett, Duncan etc... he is Nowitski type....



Or just rebuild Suns and establish a better defensive lineup

Going through Amare in the offense was quite successful, considering that was never tried under DA. At least, with such limited experience he did better than Dwight Howard in the 5 years before this current. If Suns had given Amare the same treatment Howard got in Orlando....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

When, where, and how does Stoudemire think he's ever going to have a better supporting cast than what he's had the last few years?

Stoudemire, Tucker, and the #14 for David Lee (sign and trade starting at $8.5 million), Jared Jeffries (salary filler, expires 2011), Wilson Chandler, and the #8. Just do it now.

Hellz yeah! Sign me up for that trade NOW!

Go with Earl Clark at #8 and Tyreke Evans at #14 and we could run Nash-Richardson-Hill-Lee-Shaq with Clark-Evans-Barbosa-Chandler-Dudley-Dragic-Jeffries-Lopez off the bench.

We don't have a pick next year, so we presumably go into 2010 with a lineup of Dragic-Evans-Clark-Lee-FA/Trade with Barbosa-Chandler-Dudley-Lopez off the bench.

That team gets us a top 5 pick in the 2011 draft and we have experienced youth to go with a high pick and some money to spend in FA....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Dammit! Just noticed that you have the #14 going in that trade. I'm not so sure we'd have to go there, but I'd let NYK keep Chandler so we could keep #14 and proceed with my plan above....

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Trade him at his peak. Yeah right, anyone who thinks right now that Amare is "at his peak" is delusional.

Chap,

I just want to point out that this post had been reported. While your intention may not have been to come off so condescending, to a few posters you did.

I would rather not ban anyone, so please just try to consider how someone may take your posts before posting.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm confused, what trade value do you think he has?? He pretty much has NONE right now.

Hmm...Tim Legler was on the local radio the other day stating that he knows of multiple teams that would be interested in Amare.

You know what they say about one man's trash being another's treasure...

I was a bit suprised but hey if someone wants him by all means.

His "peak value" was really at the start of last season.

 

[chickenhead]

Unfortunately it's still reflexive sometimes to harken back to what an Amare package might have brought in a trade a few years ago (like Garnett). But that was at a point where a trade partner would have wanted to extend him long-term--as the Suns did, hence no trade--and those partners are few if any now.

It really seems that given his health concerns and lack of defensive improvement, he's really a candidate for a mid-season trade targeted to put a team over the top. I agree with the others who doubt that an offseason trade is at all likely. With Gentry coaching a lot of early season games and healthy players, seems possible that we'll see Amare, Nash, and Shaq being showcased for a few months.

 

[jandaman]

Going through Amare in the offense was quite successful, considering that was never tried under DA. At least, with such limited experience he did better than Dwight Howard in the 5 years before this current. If Suns had given Amare the same treatment Howard got in Orlando....

You missed Howard's ability to anchor the middle defensively... with very little help for the Magic.

Stoudemire might put up 25+ points as the focal point inside offensively. But he will give up career nights for mediocre big men and astounding numbers for "good" big men.

Imagine Stoudemire in place of Howard against the Celtic's Perkins and Davis... Stoudemire might put up 30ppg on those 2. But Perkins will also score on him almost at will and Davis too.


A BIG man in the middle, has to be able to play DEFENSE to the T.... grab boards and alter penetrations and shooters within the 10 foot range from the rim... Stoudemire CANNOT do that.

Stoudemire to be effective needs to be next to a defensive stalwart big man, while he roams defensively going for block shots helping out the perimeter. Get Okafor, or Chandler (and pray he stays healthy) and Stoudemire's short comings can be hidden somehow.


Magic's offense is gimmicky in a sense that they are fortunate enough to have 2 shooters, quick agile 6'9+ guys in Lewis, Turkoglu who other teams struggle to matchup with due to length and ability to put the ball down.

Gasol -> Howard
Odom -> Lewis
Ariza -> Turkoglu
Bryant -> Pietrus
Fischer -> Alston


Obviously, its pretty much a wash all around except the PG spot...

 

[cly2tw]

You missed Howard's ability to anchor the middle defensively... with very little help for the Magic.

Stoudemire might put up 25+ points as the focal point inside offensively. But he will give up career nights for mediocre big men and astounding numbers for "good" big men.

Imagine Stoudemire in place of Howard against the Celtic's Perkins and Davis... Stoudemire might put up 30ppg on those 2. But Perkins will also score on him almost at will and Davis too.


A BIG man in the middle, has to be able to play DEFENSE to the T.... grab boards and alter penetrations and shooters within the 10 foot range from the rim... Stoudemire CANNOT do that.

Stoudemire to be effective needs to be next to a defensive stalwart big man, while he roams defensively going for block shots helping out the perimeter. Get Okafor, or Chandler (and pray he stays healthy) and Stoudemire's short comings can be hidden somehow.


Magic's offense is gimmicky in a sense that they are fortunate enough to have 2 shooters, quick agile 6'9+ guys in Lewis, Turkoglu who other teams struggle to matchup with due to length and ability to put the ball down.

Gasol -> Howard
Odom -> Lewis
Ariza -> Turkoglu
Bryant -> Pietrus
Fischer -> Alston


Obviously, its pretty much a wash all around except the PG spot...

You missed my point, or actually your own point. You brought up that Amare was disappointing when Porter/Gentry instructed the offense to go through him. I was only pointing out that he did actually above average for big men given the limited chances he has received for that task his whole career. Suns couldn't afford failures Howard's and Al Jefferson's lowpost game development caused to their teams the first couple of years in the league. So, on offense alone, Amare's potential has not been fully uncovered yet.

I agree with your point on defense. Amare is not a natural defender the way Dwight is. But when motivated, he could do it a lot better with effort. Actually, he defended Dwight quite well in the past, probably motivated to show people who is the better of the two most promising bigs of this generation. His couple of straight up blocks on Howard have been the sickest of all. But until he develops that natural instinct, which he might never, his defense will stay poor.

I also agree that Lakers match up way better to Magics than Cavs do. Now Ariza is so confident, Turkoglu won't be as effective. Howard will also face much harder test in Gasol, Bynum, Odom than the aging Ben, Z plus Varajao. Add in the Kobe favorism by the refs, Lakers are favored, though it'd have been easier for them to beat the one-man show Cavs.

 

[schutd]

Chap,

I just want to point out that this post had been reported. While your intention may not have been to come off so condescending, to a few posters you did.

I would rather not ban anyone, so please just try to consider how someone may take your posts before posting.

And this is why I no longer post here....

 

[Chaplin]

Chap,

I just want to point out that this post had been reported. While your intention may not have been to come off so condescending, to a few posters you did.

I would rather not ban anyone, so please just try to consider how someone may take your posts before posting.

Apologies everyone, never intended to personally attack anyone. My bad.

 

[Chaplin]

Hmm...Tim Legler was on the local radio the other day stating that he knows of multiple teams that would be interested in Amare.

You know what they say about one man's trash being another's treasure...

I was a bit suprised but hey if someone wants him by all means.

His "peak value" was really at the start of last season.

I think what is more at issue here is his value. I'm sure many teams would love to have Amare, but at what cost? A value given to a player, IMO, is directly related to whatever we could get back in trade. I simply don't think an Amare trade at this point of the summer would get us back anything useful in return.

 

[mojorizen7]

Well among the three(Nash/Shaq/Amare) I would have to agree and say that hanging onto Amare makes the most sense at this point. His trade value may still increase if things go right in the next 10 months.
I do think that playoff teams that get sent home fishing prematuraly are at a point of weakness early on in the offseason to make risky trades in hopes of adding a special player to their championship puzzle.
Personally I think Nash could help a few teams....teams that have leadership issues...and teams that have a supporting cast of defensively capable players.

 

[Covert Rain]

I was only pointing out that he did actually above average for big men given the limited chances he has received for that task his whole career.

You do realize Amare has been a leader in touches on this team every year right? He is also a leader in touches among big men in the NBA. Amare's touches have not been "limited" since his rookie season. Also, I think this team has done a great job "feeding the beast" when Amare was having a great game. IMO, Amare has not been "limited" at all.

 

[greensborohill]

IMO Bosh is a way better fit for your team than Amare.


Now Amare at the 5 and Bosh at the 4. . . . . golden!!

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

IMO Bosh is a way better fit for your team than Amare.


Now Amare at the 5 and Bosh at the 4. . . . . golden!!

Depending on how desperate Toronto is to get rid of Chris Bosh, we might be able to swing a deal involving Steve Nash. Now that would be some instant rebuilding. We might have to throw in Barbosa to make it work, but Amare/Bosh would be twin towers part two. Then, throw in a Shaq for Deng + Hinrich deal.

1: Hinrich
2: J-Rich
3: Hill/Duds
4: Bosh
5: Amare

 

[Covert Rain]

IMO Bosh is a way better fit for your team than Amare.


Now Amare at the 5 and Bosh at the 4. . . . . golden!!

Amare's defensive numbers are horrible when he plays the Center. IMO, Amare can never play center and be effective on the defensive end. When Amare was in the middle we had one of the worst paints in the NBA on the defensive end.

 

[Chaplin]

Amare's defensive numbers are horrible when he plays the Center. IMO, Amare can never play center and be effective on the defensive end. When Amare was in the middle we had one of the worst paints in the NBA on the defensive end.

Then again, our power forward at the time was Shawn Marion. I'd say that would also be a reason why we had an awful defensive pain presence.

 

[nashman]

I am done with this idiot ship him out as soon as possible, well for fair value don't trade him for nothing.

 

[shazaam6]

Then again, our power forward at the time was Shawn Marion. I'd say that would also be a reason why we had an awful defensive pain presence.

good point

d'antoni ball had built in disadvantages that were spread over the whole team. Not just one guy. Amare's defense and Nash's became exposed as they got rid of our defenders-Marion, Bell, Doris. Nash and Amare are a great offensive combo but they need defenders again to complement their skills. Hill very good but we need more. Dudley and Amundson will never dominate but they are not bad. We need a Bell again. Or Joe Johnson. Sarver send Joe an apology bag full of money so we can contend again.

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Would anyone trade Shaq for JJ? Atlanta would laugh but isn't Joe's contract running out soon? Let Shaq expire and sign Joe. Save 5 mil.

Nash - Dragic
Joe J - Barbosa
JRich - G Hill
Amare - Amundson - Dudley
Batman - Robin

 

[cly2tw]

You do realize Amare has been a leader in touches on this team every year right? He is also a leader in touches among big men in the NBA. Amare's touches have not been "limited" since his rookie season. Also, I think this team has done a great job "feeding the beast" when Amare was having a great game. IMO, Amare has not been "limited" at all.

When did I say touches on offense? jandaman and me, we were talking about him directing the offense, not generic touches on offense. Before the past season, he was given limited chances to actually make offensive decisions but rather got a lot of touches to finish. Scoring on assists is not "making decisions". Decisions are made for you. You just need to finish. You do know there is a huge difference in decision making whether you get the ball at low post backing down your defender or as the pick-setter in a PnR play, don't you? FYI, I didn't mean finishing touches in the latter and similar cases.

good point

d'antoni ball had built in disadvantages that were spread over the whole team. Not just one guy. Amare's defense and Nash's became exposed as they got rid of our defenders-Marion, Bell, Doris. Nash and Amare are a great offensive combo but they need defenders again to complement their skills. Hill very good but we need more. Dudley and Amundson will never dominate but they are not bad. We need a Bell again. Or Joe Johnson. Sarver send Joe an apology bag full of money so we can contend again.

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Would anyone trade Shaq for JJ? Atlanta would laugh but isn't Joe's contract running out soon? Let Shaq expire and sign Joe. Save 5 mil.

Nash - Dragic
Joe J - Barbosa
JRich - G Hill
Amare - Amundson - Dudley
Batman - Robin

The point is still with both Amare and Nash to pamper around on defense, it's hard to imagine a team that's not one-and-down like the team of 2008. Why bother!