Amare on the block.

[pokerface]

All you complain about Amare is in the past. DA is not a coach for real big man and Porter is Porter. To give up some a talent based on this is just damn, unless we get equal value in trade.

1) Its never equal value as far as fans are concerned.

2) We dont need equal value (is there such a thing?) just good solid value in return.

3) Amare has proven he's no centerpiece to a team. He's very good and sometimes great but not a franchise player to be relied on nightly.

4) Amare is not seeming as happy with the Suns plus his knee(s) are questionable in the future. Now would be a good time to trade him valuewise.

 

[HooverDam]

.Amare and Tucker / Troy Murphy and Tinsley.

.or

.Amare/Barnes/Lopez for Vince Carter and Eduardo Najera.

Those are both horrible. They make us less competitive now and don't build for the future.

 

[LV-Suns]

.Amare and Tucker / Troy Murphy and Tinsley.

 

[cly2tw]

1) Its never equal value as far as fans are concerned.

2) We dont need equal value (is there such a thing?) just good solid value in return.

3) Amare has proven he's no centerpiece to a team. He's very good and sometimes great but not a franchise player to be relied on nightly.

4) Amare is not seeming as happy with the Suns plus his knee(s) are questionable in the future. Now would be a good time to trade him valuewise.

Just as Dirk and JoeJ proved before getting their own teams, right? Has he be given the chances Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard got to be the center piece of a team?

 

[Wonder]

Raptors sent to Suns

calderon
bargnani
graham
j.oneal


Suns sent to Raptors

Nash
Lopez
SHAQ



Raptors starters

NASH
PARKER
MOON
BOSH
SHAQ


SUNS Starters

CALDERON
RICHARDSON
HILL
AMARE
J.ONEAL

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3447~592~614~2987~2806~2759~615&teams=28~28~28~21~21~21~21&te=&cash=

i'm really just screwing around, calderon is pretty bad on defense. But this the just one team i picked randomly in figuring out how to get rid of shaq/nash. I'd love to rather rebuild than try to make a quick fix at this point in the season.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1307



Fisher knows what he's talking about, he's connected. We'll see. Obviously, there will be a line waiting to see what they can get Amare for.

That guy writes like an attention ***** who doesnt have a clue about any insider talks.

 

[pokerface]

Just as Dirk and JoeJ proved before getting their own teams, right? Has he be given the chances Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard got to be the center piece of a team?

Havnt been following Jefferson but Howard can at least rebound and defend. Amare is almost too one dimensional to ever carry a team.

 

[mojorizen7]

My Proposal:

Atlanta Hawks


Incoming Players

Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.0 REB: 8.1 AST: 2.0 PER: 20.56

Outgoing Players: Ronald Murray, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith

Phoenix Suns


Incoming Players

Ronald Murray
Salary: $1,500,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.6 REB: 2.1 AST: 1.6 PER: 13.93

Marvin Williams
Salary: $5,636,142 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 13.8 REB: 6.5 AST: 1.4 PER: 16.17

Josh Smith
Salary: $10,000,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 16.2 REB: 7.6 AST: 2.6 PER: 17.50
Offer Matched When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet.


Outgoing Players: Amare Stoudemire

We may need to add more, but I would love this trade.

Not bad but I'd rather get Pachulia(and try to resign him) AND J. Smith. Also, couldn't the HAWKS trade J.Smith before 1 year with his consent or am i reading it wrong?
This works $ wise.....
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

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Atlanta Hawks



Incoming Players

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Alando Tucker
Salary: $1,001,880 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.0 REB: 0.4 AST: 0.4 PER: 22.66

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Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.3 REB: 8.1 AST: 2.2 PER: 21.53

Outgoing Players: Zaza Pachulia, Speedy Claxton, Josh Smith

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Phoenix Suns



Incoming Players

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Zaza Pachulia
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.8 REB: 6.0 AST: 0.8 PER: 13.30

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Speedy Claxton
Salary: $5,757,818 Years Remaining: 2

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Josh Smith
Salary: $10,000,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 15.8 REB: 7.0 AST: 2.7 PER: 17.00
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Starting frontcourt of:
Shaq/J.Smith/G. Hill
with
Pachulia/Lou/Barnes off the bench.
I also think Zaza next to Shaq could be very effective.

 

[Sovereignz]

I really don't want Aldridge at all. He's bigger, stronger and faster than Amare (dude is a freaking GAZELLE on the break) yet amazingly does everything everything we need from a PF either just as bad or worse than Amare.

 

[AceP]

Just noticed that Miami also called. That is rather interesting. Amare and Marion reunion? They two hate each other. Marion returns to Phoenix? He probably don't want to. Furthermore, Marion's contract is too big we'll have to trade 2 for 1. Don't looks like we can get an offer from them.

 

[HooverDam]

^^^

PHX sends:
Steve Nash
Shaq

Miami sends:
Marion
Marcus Banks
James Jones
Mario Chalmers

Never going to happen but boy o boy would it make me laugh.

 

[mojorizen7]

^^^

PHX sends:
Steve Nash
Shaq

Miami sends:
Marion
Marcus Banks
James Jones
Mario Chalmers

Never going to happen but boy o boy would it make me laugh.

Me too considering that Porter would be starting AMare and Lopez up front....that would be pure comedy.

 

[bankybruce]

This is the deal I heard on the radio that some people liked. Seems to help both teams. The Suns get a young PF that Pat Riley does not like and the expiring contract of Marion. The Heat the PF that have been looking for and a good bench scorer, both of which take pressure off of Wade.

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Michael Beasley



Miami Heat
Incoming Players
Leandro Barbosa
Amare Stoudemire

 

[HooverDam]

^Meh that deal doesn't do it for me. You aren't going to resign Marion, he's just an expiring, so you're giving up a proven 1st Team All NBA PF for an unproven (but probably good) PF, and you lose a great bench talent. The Suns would need picks in that trade as well as another piece but Miami doesn't have much worth asking for.

I still think the thing that makes the most sense is Amare to OKC for Jeff Green and a #1.

 

[bankybruce]

^Meh that deal doesn't do it for me. You aren't going to resign Marion, he's just an expiring, so you're giving up a proven 1st Team All NBA PF for an unproven (but probably good) PF, and you lose a great bench talent. The Suns would need picks in that trade as well as another piece but Miami doesn't have much worth asking for.

I still think the thing that makes the most sense is Amare to OKC for Jeff Green and a #1.

In the same discussion I heard that one too, but instead of a #1 and Green, it was Green and Wilcox and the pick that Suns gave them. As for the Miami trade, Marion is intended to free money up for the Suns. I am sure you could also get a #1 in that deal.

 

[HooverDam]

In the same discussion I heard that one too, but instead of a #1 and Green, it was Green and Wilcox and the pick that Suns gave them. As for the Miami trade, Marion is intended to free money up for the Suns. I am sure you could also get a #1 in that deal.

The pick the Suns gave them is a 1st rounder, so same difference. I think the Suns give up in most any reasonable deal with Miami involving Amare.

 

[greensborohill]

That guy writes like an attention ***** who doesnt have a clue about any insider talks.

Spoken like a true opposing fan. The guy, and it's David Lord not Fisher, is credible. Always has been, doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but he's broken a number of stories well before anyone else has. So can being a whinny baby if you want. . . . but have some class about it.

 

[Makeplays]

This is the deal I heard on the radio that some people liked. Seems to help both teams. The Suns get a young PF that Pat Riley does not like and the expiring contract of Marion. The Heat the PF that have been looking for and a good bench scorer, both of which take pressure off of Wade.

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Michael Beasley



Miami Heat
Incoming Players
Leandro Barbosa
Amare Stoudemire

I love this deal. Marion is like "The Boss" born to run. Couple that with a super prospect in Beasley and we got something for the future. Lets face it Miami's philosophy governs what Marion can and cannot do. And reuniting with Nash might provide a spark for both

Goodbye Amare....
Babs...I'll truly miss you

 

[Covert Rain]

EFFORT, is what it's all about.

That's crap.

Amare is the only one show significant lack of effort on court. That is exactly why he is on block.

No, he is on the block because the Suns feel like he has reached his full potential. They are trading Amare because they don't think he can get any better at rebounding or defense. They are trading him because they need to get better at defense if they are EVER going to sniff a title.

^Meh that deal doesn't do it for me. You aren't going to resign Marion, he's just an expiring, so you're giving up a proven 1st Team All NBA PF for an unproven (but probably good) PF, and you lose a great bench talent. The Suns would need picks in that trade as well as another piece but Miami doesn't have much worth asking for.

I still think the thing that makes the most sense is Amare to OKC for Jeff Green and a #1.

I am with you. If some crap trade with Miami is all we can do for Amare and Barbs......wow. Amare and Barbs stock has really fallen. Besides, what is the point of taking on expiring contracts if your not going to be able to lure a tier 1 free agent??? See the Nash comments this morning.

People are really drinking the koolaid if they think a tier 1 free agent is going to come here and play with the way Sarver runs this franchise. Selling picks, mortgaging the future of the franchise and letting key role players walk. Man I miss JC. I don't ever remember a player brining up the financial viability of this franchise pre-Sarver.

 

[HooverDam]

People are really drinking the koolaid if they think a tier 1 free agent is going to come here and play with the way Sarver runs this franchise. Selling picks, mortgaging the future of the franchise and letting key role players walk. Man I miss JC. I don't ever remember a player brining up the financial viability of this franchise pre-Sarver.

One thing you always knew about JC if you were a player was, he was trying to win just as hard as you were. With Sarver that doesn't always seem to be the case.

 

[Covert Rain]

One thing you always knew about JC if you were a player was, he was trying to win just as hard as you were. With Sarver that doesn't always seem to be the case.

Now we have an aging PG in Nash (who is an original Sun no less), that is questioning resigning with thet team assuming they want him. If we have Steve Nash questioning the financial viability of this franchise, what tier 1 free agent is going to come here? Especially, if the "word" around the league is this team can't afford to put a title team together???

DWade, Lebron...those type guys are not coming here. So, I say we get maximum value for the guys we trade this year (whatever that is). Don't get me wrong....I would do just about anything to get one of those guys....it's just not going to happen IMO.

 

[AceP]

This is the deal I heard on the radio that some people liked. Seems to help both teams. The Suns get a young PF that Pat Riley does not like and the expiring contract of Marion. The Heat the PF that have been looking for and a good bench scorer, both of which take pressure off of Wade.

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Michael Beasley



Miami Heat
Incoming Players
Leandro Barbosa
Amare Stoudemire

Wow, that's something new to me. I have to say I love it except one problem. We'll have no backup PG at all. Can we persuade them to give us Chalmers? I don't think so.

Can Nash convince Sarver to spent a veteran minimal on someone? Or, can we play 15 minutes with Hill at the point in offense while Marion guard opponent PG in defence?

If we can fix the PG void, it sounds like a great deal, probably good enough to bring us back to contention.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wow, that's something new to me. I have to say I love it except one problem. We'll have no backup PG at all. Can we persuade them to give us Chalmers? I don't think so.

Can Nash convince Sarver to spent a veteran minimal on someone? Or, can we play 15 minutes with Hill at the point in offense while Marion guard opponent PG in defence?

If we can fix the PG void, it sounds like a great deal, probably good enough to bring us back to contention.

The problem with this trade is that essentially your getting a SF who's best days are behind him and bringing in another underachieving PF in Beasley. He gives up more points at the PF position then Amare, rebounds less then Amare and is actually more like 6 foot 7 and 1/2. I don't mind an undersized PF if he plays like Barkley. Beasley does not. There is a reason Pat Riley is not high on him.

Oh...and the thing that you brought up....we lose a dynamic bench scorer and the closest thing to a backup PG. This is a bad deal.

 

[AceP]

The problem with this trade is that essentially your getting a SF who's best days are behind him and bringing in another underachieving PF in Beasley. He gives up more points at the PF position then Amare, rebounds less then Amare and is actually more like 6 foot 7 and 1/2. I don't mind an undersized PF if he plays like Barkley. Beasley does not. There is a reason Pat Riley is not high on him.

Oh...and the thing that you brought up....we lose a dynamic bench scorer and the closest thing to a backup PG. This is a bad deal.

I honestly disagree. No matter what, Pat Riley drafted Beasley at #2. He did draft Wade at #5, didn't he?

Beasley's rebound rate is actually a little better than Amare. His jump shot is beautiful. He is as athletic as Amare before the knee surgery. He is not a good defender yet but you knew he just can't be worse than Amare now. At least he will play hard as a rookie.

Marion is still a great defender, his ability to defend multiple position is desperately needed for this Suns. And, he is still a great rebounder. Most importantly, maybe you just don't realise, we want to keep Nash, then we must improve our defence at 2-3, then, Marion is the best choice possible.

Look into the deal.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4976518
Change in Team Outlook: -8.4 ppg, +3.9 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

We can live that -8.4ppg if our defence improved. And, Marion is actually in a very low 12ppg this season, return to play with Nash, his scoring should improve quite a bit.

 

[Covert Rain]

I honestly disagree. No matter what, Pat Riley drafted Beasley at #2. He did draft Wade at #5, didn't he?

Beasley's rebound rate is actually a little better than Amare. His jump shot is beautiful. He is as athletic as Amare before the knee surgery. He is not a good defender yet but you knew he just can't be worse than Amare now. At least he will play hard as a rookie.

Marion is still a great defender, his ability to defend multiple position is desperately needed for this Suns. And, he is still a great rebounder. Most importantly, maybe you just don't realise, we want to keep Nash, then we must improve our defence at 2-3, then, Marion is the best choice possible.

Look into the deal.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4976518
Change in Team Outlook: -8.4 ppg, +3.9 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

We can live that -8.4ppg if our defence improved. And, Marion is actually in a very low 12ppg this season, return to play with Nash, his scoring should improve quite a bit.

Beasley is a poor defender. The MO coming out of the draft was that he could score but not defend. This team doesn't need another scoring PF who is below average at rebounding and a poor defender. Been there done that. It doesn't matter that his rate is better then Amare. It's still poor. Also, on draft day the Heat were trying to trade out of that spot versus take Beasley. Pat Riley is not high on Beasley because he realizes defense....defense....defense wins titles.

Also, if you think Marion is still a great defender you have not been watching many Miami Heat games or Marion before he left. He is allowing opposing SF to score almost 19.7 PPG (per 48). That's no better then Hill or Barnes. Also, remember that SF is our best defended position on this team WITHOUT Marion. So, we don't need Marion at the SF position. Second, we DON'T want to play Marion at PF. Marion's defense drops off even further there. He allows 22.5 PPG (per 48) at the PF position.

I have looked at this trade and dont' see anything here that improves this team from a defensive perspective. If your going to trade away Amare, you don't trade him for a similar player and a redundant SF. You trade Amare to improve yourself at the PF position in two areas. First from a defensive perspective and then a rebounding perspective.