... and that's why Kolb should stay the starter

[desertdawg]

I have no idea where this comment comes from. I don't put you in the Kolb is great/Skelton sucks group but I've seen you assume the reverse when someone has made a negative comment about Kolb. I'm not a Skelton guy nor am I a Kolb guy. I cut Skelton a little more slack than I do Kolb because of his lack of experience but frankly, I'm tired of cutting our QB slack.

Steve

Cool, I feel that way about our protection.

I didn't mean to get to get all dramatical.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Cool, I feel that way about our protection.

I didn't mean to get to get all dramatical.

Protection? If you see it feel free to point it out.

Steve

 

[52brandon]

Skelton got us an opportunity to win the game. Period. He threw an awful INT in OT but we shouldn't have been there to begin with. He setup the gamewinning FG attempt. Its not his fault that Feely decided to pull a Rackers impression.

Look I have no idea whether any of these guys are the answer but I do know that any QB playing behind this Oline is being setup to fail. They can't run block. They can't pass block. They can't block period.

We have a Lt that couldn't start in the arena league. Our inside gets zero push. Our RT has talent but is a year early.

We have a clear offseason priority and if you think that is QB then you need your head examined

did he? He was asked to get like 6 yards closer and couldn't do it in 3 tries. It took Feely making the longest kick in his life to give us a chance to win the game...

 

[desertdawg]

Protection? If you see it feel free to point it out.

Steve

 

[Gee!]

No argument. However like I said any QB put behind this Oline is setup to fail. PERIOD

There's an old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Ou Oline is broke we need to FIX IT

Intersting.. And you think Skelton could fix our Oline?

 

[Evil Ash]

Intersting.. And you think Skelton could fix our Oline?

No. He does seem to have better pocket pressence than Kolb (the safety was on Kolb) but is very erratic when his mechanics are off.

Its a trade off one way or the other and unfortunately no QB could fix the Oline problems. Thats likely an offseason issue

 

[Evil Ash]

did he? He was asked to get like 6 yards closer and couldn't do it in 3 tries. It took Feely making the longest kick in his life to give us a chance to win the game...

and he did. He then missed a 38 yarder because yet again our Oline didn't do their jobs (ball was tipped).

Yet again this discussion keeps missing the elephant in the room

 

[Russ Smith]

Why can't you hate on both?

Well I can of course I just meant I can't lynch Skelton for making the same mistake Kolb did.

He made a couple of nice throws in there and it's not his fault Feely missed or LSH dropped the screen.

 

[TJ]

and he did. He then missed a 38 yarder because yet again our Oline didn't do their jobs (ball was tipped).

Yet again this discussion keeps missing the elephant in the room

Right...but you're back-door defending Skelton.

I'll give him that he was probably rusty, but that was a horrid performance. Then again, our line did him no favors.


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[Evil Ash]

Right...but you're back-door defending Skelton.

I'll give him that he was probably rusty, but that was a horrid performance. Then again, our line did him no favors.


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Yes and no. He has to play better but there are some things that people are throwing on the Qb that he has no control over. Its a team sport and one particular unit is getting its butt kicked with regularity but instead we focus on the QB.

 

[Russ Smith]

@mikejurecki: #Cards QB John Skelton 2/ 10 45 yds 1 Pic QB rating 6.2

To be fair Hyphens drop was on him.

The scary thing is he almost threw another pick the one that got tipped away (think to Floyd?) the announcer said great throw but he threw it in the one place the DB could get it and I think the DB actually mistimed it or he would have picked it.

 

[TJ]

To be fair Hyphens drop was on him.

The scary thing is he almost threw another pick the one that got tipped away (think to Floyd?) the announcer said great throw but he threw it in the one place the DB could get it and I think the DB actually mistimed it or he would have picked it.

It was to Doucet. Designed to throw in front of him and threw behind at the defenders numbers.


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[Russ Smith]

No. He does seem to have better pocket pressence than Kolb (the safety was on Kolb) but is very erratic when his mechanics are off.

Its a trade off one way or the other and unfortunately no QB could fix the Oline problems. Thats likely an offseason issue

I'll have to see the replay again I think Kolb had time to just throw the ball away but in the endzone that's a safety anyways. He couldn't step up because the pressure came up the middle.

But did ANYBODY not see that coming? as soon as we lost yardage on the run I said this is going to be a safety.

 

[Russ Smith]

It was to Doucet. Designed to throw in front of him and threw behind at the defenders numbers.


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Yeah that was it Doucet and exactly right threw it behind him to the DB.

 

[Evil Ash]

I'll have to see the replay again I think Kolb had time to just throw the ball away but in the endzone that's a safety anyways. He couldn't step up because the pressure came up the middle.

But did ANYBODY not see that coming? as soon as we lost yardage on the run I said this is going to be a safety.

I'll rewatch also but listening to the Cards broadcast they said that there was a pocket there and that it was on Kolb.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'll rewatch also but listening to the Cards broadcast they said that there was a pocket there and that it was on Kolb.

He held it too long but he couldn't step up because the pressure came up inside first.

But there may have been someone underneath he could have thrown at to avoid the safety.

I was just so mad about yet another safety that I wasn't really paying attention to the replays they showed.

 

[desertdawg]

I'll have to see the replay again I think Kolb had time to just throw the ball away but in the endzone that's a safety anyways. He couldn't step up because the pressure came up the middle.

But did ANYBODY not see that coming? as soon as we lost yardage on the run I said this is going to be a safety.

He tucked it to avoid the fumble/ pick 6. Skelton did it twice in a row, not new to the Grimm Cards at all. Have we set a new safety NFL record yet?? What is it gonna take to get Grimm gone. There is a reason why the Horton's get scooped up, and the Grimms feed off the shark they swim with...freaking feeder. Nobody wants Grimm from here on out, we talking small colleges.

 

[52brandon]

and he did. He then missed a 38 yarder because yet again our Oline didn't do their jobs (ball was tipped).

Yet again this discussion keeps missing the elephant in the room

was it tipped? Good to know. Not that it makes anything any better, but at least Feely didn't just outright choke Gostkowski style. And who did what? Feeling hitting the best kick of his life?

To be fair Hyphens drop was on him.

The scary thing is he almost threw another pick the one that got tipped away (think to Floyd?) the announcer said great throw but he threw it in the one place the DB could get it and I think the DB actually mistimed it or he would have picked it.

as was Roberts' awful drop from Kolb on what should have been a 3rd down conversion. There will always be those drops that get lumped into the negative about the QBs

 

[slanidrac16]

Here it is in a nutshell.

Skelton is a big,immobile, stand in the pocket QB. In todays NFL if that is what you are you need to be deadly accurate and have an uncanny knowledge of the game and defenses.
He is neither. For every 3 good passes he throws he will throw 3 inaccurate ones. He may develop mentally, but you can watch a guy like Luck and see how farther advances he is compared to Skelton. Skelton ceiling isn't very high.

Kolb is smaller and can be skittish at times. He has a certain amount of mobilty and is somewhat accurate when given time but has durability issues. Again, in todays NFL a QB like Kolb will make you cheer and then piss you off in a matter of minutes. His ceiling is a bit higher than Skelton because of his ability to move and his accuracy and he has had a limited amount of "playing" experience.

The way this team is built Kolb definitely is the better choice. Both guys would be better with improved line play. But neither will ever be a dominant, put the game on my shoulders QB.

This not about who I like the best. It is only my opinion.

I only hope that even before we look for a QB or a RB we would invest everthing we have into improving the o-line. Draft picks, free agents, coaching..the whole shibang. Until that happen we will forever be a hit or miss offense with no true bread and butter. We can't run with any authority or consistency and neither QB is capable of strapping the team on their back.

 

[Russ Smith]

was it tipped? Good to know. Not that it makes anything any better, but at least Feely didn't just outright choke Gostkowski style. And who did what? Feeling hitting the best kick of his life?

as was Roberts' awful drop from Kolb on what should have been a 3rd down conversion. There will always be those drops that get lumped into the negative about the QBs

Yeah as someone who has Roberst on his fantasy team, he had a terrible game. That deep throw I still don't know how he didn't catch it the ball was there, his hands were there, and yet I don't think he even touched it?

 

[Ed Burmila]

Yeah I don't get what Powell was thinking and then LSH kills us in the OT dropping a screen.

Powell did ok but the RB play really hurt us at key times today.

Kolb made the exact same mistake Skelton did so i can't hate on John. The bottom line is our OL is horrible, Batiste doesn't belong starting for any NFL team, Massie is a year early, the interior OL sucks so whichever QB we start is going to be in the same boat.

I have to disagree. Kolb was on the move and trying to force it to a stationary King when he was intercepted. Skelton was standing there with time and simply failed to recognize a basic 2-deep zone....or that his target was well covered irrespective of where the safeties were.

Skelton just can't see the defenses. He can't. He's not going to get any better at it. Kolb tries to do way too much, but at least he can move and he can see where the defensive players are on the field before he throws it.

 

[Buckybird]

I have to disagree. Kolb was on the move and trying to force it to a stationary King when he was intercepted. Skelton was standing there with time and simply failed to recognize a basic 2-deep zone....or that his target was well covered irrespective of where the safeties were.

Skelton just can't see the defenses. He can't. He's not going to get any better at it. Kolb tries to do way too much, but at least he can move and he can see where the defensive players are on the field before he throws it.

King also didn't do Kolb any favors by not coming back to the ball or let the defender cross his face.

I'm not saying Kolb was clear of blame, because he semi stared him down & the DB read & made a great play.

 

[Russ Smith]

I have to disagree. Kolb was on the move and trying to force it to a stationary King when he was intercepted. Skelton was standing there with time and simply failed to recognize a basic 2-deep zone....or that his target was well covered irrespective of where the safeties were.

Skelton just can't see the defenses. He can't. He's not going to get any better at it. Kolb tries to do way too much, but at least he can move and he can see where the defensive players are on the field before he throws it.

Well I meant Kolb threw it without seeing the guy sitting there on his left watching his eyes.

I don't disagree about Skelton he doesn't read the defense and he misses high too much.

But he hadn't played in weeks and likely had little practice so I'm trying to cut him some slack.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes and no. He has to play better but there are some things that people are throwing on the Qb that he has no control over. Its a team sport and one particular unit is getting its butt kicked with regularity but instead we focus on the QB.

I agree we're talking more about the QB than the O line but I don't think that means much. If you were to take a poll, I'd bet the vast majority of us would lay more blame on the line than Kolb or Skelton. But, if Kolb plays a little bit better, we get a victory today. The line is so bad it's hard to imagine them playing any better.

Steve

 

[BigRedRage]

Skelton fans been quiet while we went on this win streak .. Pateintly waiting to get him back in the game.. Guess what? He choked..

You love the thought of Skelton.. But he wont live up to your expectations..

Thats why I roll with Kolb.. He's not the best QB out there.. But he is better than Skelton and I have no emotional attachment to him..

Get it?

If anything they are a wash. With that, you play skelton to improve him and draft high or somethin. No way do I give kolb 9 mil next yr

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