Another Trade Theory About Thomas Jones Thread

[Stout]

I like the first two for sure-I'll take whatever we can get for him at this point. The third is flawed because those players you mentioned aren't any better than Jones. Jones for Minnis or Jones for Morris straight-up would be a good deal, but I wouldn't trade a fourth for either of those guys, let alone a fourth and a player.

 

[JeffGollin]

Jones for Minnis or Jones for Morris straight-up
Minnis is too slender to be a dominant receiver. Morris, if I recall, is a big dude.

 

[Alphaman]

Originally posted by Stout
I like the first two for sure-I'll take whatever we can get for him at this point. The third is flawed because those players you mentioned aren't any better than Jones. Jones for Minnis or Jones for Morris straight-up would be a good deal, but I wouldn't trade a fourth for either of those guys, let alone a fourth and a player.

I'd be willing to do either of the first 2. At this point I wouldn't do Morris or Minnis straight up. You'd have to throw in a pick. Both of those guys have a good shot at being on our squad this fall and could compete for the 3rd WR spot. Either one of those guys would be a starter for you, both have started for us. In other words, they both have value to us and should have value to you. To pick up a starting WR for a 4th and a player you are going to discard is a good deal.

It is clear that Jones has no value to you If the Cards aren't willing to do so, that is fine, I'd be cool giving up a 7th. Bear in mind that the Cardinals need WR help desperately.

 

[Stout]

Who, making a few leaps in logic there. I don't see how Minnis and/or Morris would certainly start for us. They might, but they just as easily might not. It's not as if they've shown much thus far, for injury or talent reasons, regardless. I'm not trying to take a shot at your team, but it's not as if you've had the best receivers recently, so to say they've started for the Chiefs is no big accomplishment. Jones has value to you-one of those guys would have value to us. That's, IMO, an even trade. I'd swap a fifth or a sixth rounder for one of them, but I wouldn't tack on a player, even if it is only Jones.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Alphaman
Chiefs fan here.

I'd like for my Chiefs to pick up Jones. I'd be willing to take the chance that we can get him after you cut on him on June 1st. He'd have to clear waivers, and I'm concerned that J-ville would claim him ahead of us. Therefore, I would offer a trade.

So if I were Dick Vermeil and Carl Peterson I'd offer the following 3 deals. If the Cardinals liked either one, we'd have a deal. If not, then I'd take my chances on him slipping past J-Ville.

Option 1

our 7th round pick in this years draft for Jones

Option 2

A conditional 7th round pick which could escalate to a 6th round pick in next years draft for Jones

Option 3

Snoop Minnis OR Sylvestor Morris for Jones and the Cardinals 4th round pick.

What are your thoughts?

Option 4

Thomas Jones & the Cardinals 4th round pick to the Chiefs for Johnnie Morton and the Chiefs 5th round pick.

sounds fair, and win-win...

 

[buff17]

I really think Jones has a lot of talent. If I was the Cards I would be looking to move up a few picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.
Getting a 6th or 7th rounder would be stupid. All they are gonna do is be on the practice squad. Jones returned punts in college as I recall. So I would just keep him on the team, use him in certain situations.

Either way, Cards are gonna have an average year.

4-12....
if that

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by buff17
I really think Jones has a lot of talent. If I was the Cards I would be looking to move up a few picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.
Getting a 6th or 7th rounder would be stupid. All they are gonna do is be on the practice squad. Jones returned punts in college as I recall. So I would just keep him on the team, use him in certain situations.

Either way, Cards are gonna have an average year.

4-12....
if that

I don't want this to sound like an insult but...Do you even watch this team? Have you seen the way T Jones has played for the Cards? The Cards should consider themselves lucky if they get a 6th or 7th. Anything better would be highway robbery IMO.

Forget for a moment that he broke his hand in a strange way. Forget for a moment he has supposedly lied to the team and used his Mom to cover his lie when he broke his hand. Forget for a moment he did get "shafted" out of money owed him as a result of this issue...yet instead of taking the blame he sulked and essentially didn't show up for his teammates even though he was hurt.

Forget for a moment, the signing of Emmitt Smith has basically created the end of the T Jones era in AZ thus he is almost certainly a cut waiting to happen.

Forget his overall very pedestrian running stats and the fact he sits out alot with injuries.

Now tell me how you can conceivably suggest the Cards are going to get a better pick for him...or better yet use him to trade up in round 1 or 2? More important, why keep a guy around who CLEARLY wants out of here and will likely become a thorn in the lockerroom?

 

[buff17]

Well I cant say much for him lying. We know he did, but him not getting paid was awful. The Cards wonder why they cant sign any big names in free agency? Would you have showed up and gave this team support? Why?? They werent gonna make the playoffs. Whats the point? Would you work for free?

The guy is just gonna be 25 years old year. I think he still has a huge upside to him. Probably not with the Cards. His style just doesnt fit the Cardinals offense. Remember how everyone was so excited last season when he put on 10 pounds of solid muscle? Rushed for 173 yards on 22 carries for the Cardinals? The ONLY game he EVER had over 18 carries in none the less. WHY? Bad play calling? Maybe? The Cardinals would give the guy 5 or 6 carries most of the time in the first half. He would gain 5 or 6 yards on first down. Then the Cards would throw 2 incomplete passes. 3 and out. Fall behind and GO ALL TO HELL. Pass on first down, run on 2nd down(sometimes, if any), pass on 3rd down. Did you all expect him to average 10 yards a carry? At Virginia he was a workhorse, 5 yards here, 4 yards there, 3 yards again. Hell that would actually set up the pass, and big pass plays for Virginia. Then Jones would do it over and over. Breaking 10 and 15 yards everyonce in a while along with his 2, 3,4, and 5 yard carries. Late in games breaking huge runs. The Cardinals would never try to establish the running game. Never, I dont think I saw Jones get the ball twice in a roll.

Emmit Smith, what the hell. Talk about a cancer in the locker room.
I bet he ******* before the 4th game of the season. He wont even play out his contact is my prediction.

What about Shipp?? Hes gonna be 25 too, his style better fits the Cards. Big slow back who can take a lot of punishment(or can he.)
How many times did this guy fumble inside the Red Zone last season? How many times he have a BIG game in a Cardinals WIN? How many times did he break a big run against MAX pass coverage defenses late in games when they had already been decided?? 4 or 5 times to be honest. Take those runs away and he averages 2 yards a carry.
Give Shipp his shot, Jones will get his elsewhere. He will just be another name the Cards gave up on that turned into a star on another team. Its the Cardinals fault, not his. I will love the Cards til the day I die but its the truth.

How old was Priest Holmes when he broke it out? Hes 28 or 29 now. I see a future like that for Jones, of course with another team. He will be better then any running back on this team.

Not saying he will be better than Smith, just better than Smith is now.

 

[AZCB34]

Buff17-

Jones was very very good in college but that is where he peaked IMO. Does he have talent? Sure he does but not what I consider NFL talent at this point. Like many draft picks...especially higfh picks...he looked like he was going to be a good one. Does all this mean TJ is now a bust and will never amount to anything? Of course not. He may very well go on to very good things but at this moment, his value is very low.

As for Smith, well I am generally indifferent. I like the pick up on some levels and dislike it on other levels. I think Shipp not only deserves to be the started...he flat out earned it last year. What realy bothers me is Smith be annointed the starter when he was signed. That, IMO, is a clear slap in the face for what Ship did last year and hopefully what he was going to keep doing. I sincerely hope that Smith's signing doesn't stunt Shipp's development because if it does then this could be another (in a long line) of bonehead moves. As for Smith in the lockerroom, I have heard alot of stuff on this board but have never heard any of it for elsewhere...not saying it isn't true about him being a thorn in the lockerroom but...

Having said that, Smith still has something left in the tank and I think he can help this team but he is clearly on the downturn and his decision to sign with AZ shows me he is trying for some milestone on the recordbooks and that may be it. Also, I believe he may slightly increase attendance and this was a PR move.

IMO, Jones right now is the 4th best RB on the team behind Shipp Smith and Anderson (in no particular order). He may even fall behind Scobey but I haven't seen enough of Scobey to render an opinion.

 

[buff17]

Well I agree with you on about everything you said, but there could be a taker for Jones to move up a pick or two. In the first few rounds.

Like say a team is sold on a player that they know we still be there at pick 6, and are light at the running back position. Just a possibility though.

I do think Jones still has more talent then any running back on the team, but of course that doesnt mean he would be the best fit.

I just hope the Cards give Shipp his shot this season. It made me so mad when they signed Emmitt and named him the starter. I know a lot of people are excited about it, and your right its a PR move for sure. Hopefully its gonna fill up those stands.

Sorry for sounding stupid for thinking Jones could still make an impact somewhere in the NFL, but when they drafted him I thought for sure he was gonna a great player.
I blame the Cards. Ahhh, what the hell I blame Pittman! LOL

Thats just me being the immature 20 year old that I am!

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Yo Buff! I think you hit the nail on the head with your synopsis of the current Cardinals RB situation. I happen to believe that Jones has plenty of gas in the tank to make a run at another starting position in the NFL, just not with the Cardinals. I would really hope that there is a GM somewhere in the league that feels the same way, and makes a play for Jones before he gets cut.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by buff17
Well I agree with you on about everything you said, but there could be a taker for Jones to move up a pick or two. In the first few rounds.

Like say a team is sold on a player that they know we still be there at pick 6, and are light at the running back position. Just a possibility though.

I do think Jones still has more talent then any running back on the team, but of course that doesnt mean he would be the best fit.

I just hope the Cards give Shipp his shot this season. It made me so mad when they signed Emmitt and named him the starter. I know a lot of people are excited about it, and your right its a PR move for sure. Hopefully its gonna fill up those stands.

Sorry for sounding stupid for thinking Jones could still make an impact somewhere in the NFL, but when they drafted him I thought for sure he was gonna a great player.
I blame the Cards. Ahhh, what the hell I blame Pittman! LOL

Thats just me being the immature 20 year old that I am!

Remember, I didn't say Jones wouldn't make it somewhere. He very well could and given the talent he showed in college, it wouldn't shock me if he did go to another team and have success. But that isn't what the thread is about, it is about trading Jones...thus his trade value. For all any of us know, Jones will go elsewhere and exhibit all the tools we thought he could when he was drafted.

Some here say Jones has NO trade value whatsoever and I disagree with that. But I also believe his value is low and the Cards could get a 6th or 7th. Alot of teams would take a flier on Jones for that kind of pick and getting an experienced NFL player in return. I just don't believe his value is high enough to bring the Cards a real return.

 

[Alphaman]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Option 4

Thomas Jones & the Cardinals 4th round pick to the Chiefs for Johnnie Morton and the Chiefs 5th round pick.

sounds fair, and win-win...

Couldn't happen. Morton's cap hit would be way too big, plus he's still very talented. He'll be starting for us this year.

 

[Alphaman]

Originally posted by Stout
Who, making a few leaps in logic there. I don't see how Minnis and/or Morris would certainly start for us. They might, but they just as easily might not. It's not as if they've shown much thus far, for injury or talent reasons, regardless. I'm not trying to take a shot at your team, but it's not as if you've had the best receivers recently, so to say they've started for the Chiefs is no big accomplishment. Jones has value to you-one of those guys would have value to us. That's, IMO, an even trade. I'd swap a fifth or a sixth rounder for one of them, but I wouldn't tack on a player, even if it is only Jones.

Fair enough. I appreciate your position. I disagree however. Both Minnis and Morris have shown flashes of being good receivers. Unless I'm mistaken, you guys really don't have any receivers to speak of on your roster now that Boston and Jenkins are gone. That being said, I'd still be fine with trading our 7th for Jones. I would not trade either Minnis or Morris straight up for him.

 

[Stout]

Heck, I wouldn't trade a pint of Guinness for Jones! I can see your points too, though. No worries

 

[Dan H]

Well I cant say much for him lying. We know he did, but him not getting paid was awful. The Cards wonder why they cant sign any big names in free agency?

That's BS!

It's NFL policy that players on the "reserve - non football injury" don't get paid. It's Jones' own damn fault for breaking his hand off the field.

 

[buff17]

Well I dont really know about that, I dont believe that though because I remember there was an discussion on PTI about Jones breaking his hand, and the Cards not paying him. They said
Bidwill decided not to pay him, didnt say anything about the NFL. They really didnt talk about Jones that much, kinda made fun of how he did it though. They said Bidwill was CHEAP, I would have to agree.

 

[KingofCards]

Originally posted by buff17
Well I dont really know about that, I dont believe that though because I remember there was an discussion on PTI about Jones breaking his hand, and the Cards not paying him. They said
Bidwill decided not to pay him, didnt say anything about the NFL. They really didnt talk about Jones that much, kinda made fun of how he did it though. They said Bidwill was CHEAP, I would have to agree.

Get the "f" out of here.....

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by buff17
Well I dont really know about that, I dont believe that though because I remember there was an discussion on PTI about Jones breaking his hand, and the Cards not paying him. They said
Bidwill decided not to pay him, didnt say anything about the NFL. They really didnt talk about Jones that much, kinda made fun of how he did it though. They said Bidwill was CHEAP, I would have to agree.

You aren't from the New England area are you?

As King of Cards said....get your ignorant pie hole out of here. You obviously haven't the slightest clue of what you are talking about.

Here's a little suggestion you might want to ponder......
It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth a remove all doubt!!

PS...the name is Bidwill not Bidwill.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
You aren't from the New England area are you?

As King of Cards said....get your ignorant pie hole out of here. You obviously haven't the slightest clue of what you are talking about.

Here's a little suggestion you might want to ponder......It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth a remove all doubt!!

PS...the name is Bidwill not Bidwill.

Is this how we treat people with different points of view now? Name calling? Buff makes some valid points?

I thought you were smarter than that Tango!

You should take some of your own plagarized advice! It's maybe you should remain silent and known a fool than to open your mouth a remove all doubt!!

 

[KingofCards]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
Is this how we treat people with different points of view now? Name calling? Buff makes some valid points?

I thought you were smarter than that Tango!

You should take some of your own plagarized advice! It's maybe you should remain silent and known a fool than to open your mouth a remove all doubt!!

This guy needs to go. He is an idiot that is posting b.s.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by KingofCards
This guy needs to go. He is an idiot that is posting b.s.

Buff is making some good points, I didn't say everything he was saying was dead-on.

He may or may not be stirring the pot. I can't say...

 

[kerouac9]

For what it's worth, it is not, in fact, NFL policy not to pay players on the non-football injury list. It's an option that teams have if a player goes down with a non-football injury.

There was some discussion for the week the TJ broke his hand whether or not the Cards would opt to pay him (this was at the point where fans in the stands were booing every Jones run that was for less than seven yards, regardless of the situation or score). The injury occured on like a Friday, announced on late Sat. or Sun., and then they decided not to pay him on Wednesday or something.

It's NFL policy to let the team decide. If, say, Charlie Batch runs into a burning house and saves a woman and her three-year-old baby daughter in the middle of November, and burns his hands so bad he won't be able to play the rest of the season, he would be placed on the non-football injury list. It would be up to the Steelers to decide whether or not to pay him.

I think it's unfair to say that Thomas is a bad guy for not being around after he got hurt and was told they weren't going to pay him. If you got fired, but got a severance package for three months, full salary and benefits, would you be expected to show up at work, hang around the water cooler and cheer on your former co-workers? No. Thomas was essentially cut when the Cards decided not to pay him. Can't blame him for not wanting to cheer on a bunch of guys that didn't want him there.

 

[buff17]

How funny!? Someone cant give an opinion and try to make points without getting called names? Well I have never tried to make anyone mad, or stir the pot. Although, I figured if anyone was gonna be pissy about anything then it would have been at the comments I made under the 2003 predictions post.

I thought this site was for opinions of fans of Arizonia sports. I like the Point/Counter Point way of thinking, but if your Counter Point is me being an it idiot. Then that shows how much you know. Then again, thats your opinion. Just an a little off topic..

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by Alphaman
Chiefs fan here.

I'd like for my Chiefs to pick up Jones. I'd be willing to take the chance that we can get him after you cut on him on June 1st. He'd have to clear waivers, and I'm concerned that J-ville would claim him ahead of us. Therefore, I would offer a trade.

So if I were Dick Vermeil and Carl Peterson I'd offer the following 3 deals. If the Cardinals liked either one, we'd have a deal. If not, then I'd take my chances on him slipping past J-Ville.

Snoop Minnis OR Sylvestor Morris for Jones and the Cardinals 4th round pick.

What are your thoughts?

OH, I'd give you our 4th and TJ for snoop Minnis in a heartbeat. I really like that guy and I think he's going to suprise some people in the next few seasons. He's going to be good, I'll say that. If he can get over those foot injuries, he is welcome on my team anytime. I'm pretty suprised you would be willing to trade him. If I was a Chief fan, I would try to hold onto him. Whats your take on Minnis? Do you know something that I don't? Am I missing something? Cause I see serious potential in the guy.


By the way, You are a very classy Fan and IMO, you are welcome back here at anytime. This is a football forum and anyone who wants to talk football is welcome. It's nice to meet fans from other teams that are more interested in talking football than mud slinging and trash talking. I commend you! BTW, hell of a back in Priest Holmes. I personally think he is better than Faulk. I may get BLASTED for that, but it is honestly how I feel. He is amazing. But watch out for Marcell Shipp in the future. IMO, he is a CLONE of P. Holmes. He's pretty much unknown as of now, but mark my words, everyone will know exactly who he is in a few years. Shipp and Holmes will be considered equal. He actually averaged more yards per touch (carries and catch) than Holmes last year. I think Shipp onlu has room to improve from where he was last year. The similarities between Shipp and Holmes are amazing, but I'll get into that at anther time.

Good luck to your squad next year. They seem to be on the rise.
Oh yea, I hope you guys sign Holliday too! I don't want that guy on my team at all. If KC signs him, I will write you a thank you card. And I mean that!!!!


GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!