Another Trade Theory About Thomas Jones Thread

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cardinals.Ken
For my two cents worth, I still like Thomas Jones. There is no one else on the Cardinals roster I want to see with the rock when it's 1st and goal on the 7.

This whole lying thing is getting blown out of proportion. He's young and he made a mistake, one way or another. He fouled up, and made up a story to try to stay out of trouble and it backfired on him. When the Cardinals refused to pay him for a non-football injury, they were well within their rights as an NFL franchise. If you were hurt, and didn't get paid, wouldn't you be pissed? But now the team needs to break the silence with him, find some sort of solution to their mutual problem, and move on!

And I doubt his mama lied for him, I'm sure he lied to her so she would go into the office and back him up. And I'm sure she's dealt with him for that!

From everything I've heard from people that have played with is his ability to learn and improve from those around him. Not because he's a great student, but because he wants to be better than you. That is not a dig! What kind of examples has he had here? What kind of coaching? What kind of game situations where you can give him the pill 20+ times in the ballgame?

Just my opinions...

Well this post here makes me seriously question your character.

And NO HIS MOTHER LIED! SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
And NO HIS MOTHER LIED! SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED.

Really? I never heard that...

 

[Lex]

As a matter of fact Kerouac, you ARE starting to make sence to me.

You think it's ok for Clinton and TJ to lie.

You think it's possible to break your hand answering the phone.

You think it's ok for a highly paid, college educated, professional athlete to ask his own mother to come with him to his employers headquarters and lie about an injury.

You think it's ok for that same athlete to totally blow off contact with the employer that made him a millionaire, because he felt like they didn't support him after he bald faced lied to them about an injury.

You think that the first issue with this injury occured 6 months after the fact.
The police were called to the Sanctuary bar after the altercation happened, but by the time they got there, TJ was already gone, having promised the victim that his agent would take care of it later.
It was just another lie...and that's the reason we know about it now.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm sorry, has TJ reneged on his contract in any way since he was placed on the NFIR list? Did he skip any mandatory camps or programs?

If all of you are saints, and have never lied to your employer about anything, well, you're a better person than I.

If you've never lied to cover up an embarassing episode in your life, to a parent, or lover, or child, then God will look warmly upon you when it's time to weigh the scales.

If you think that the Cardinals made a good faith effort to show TJ that he was forgiven for his episode, whatever happened, and have thieir arms wide open for his return to the training facility, then you're welcome to that opinion. Mine differs, and I will support mine as I'm sure you will support yours.

 

[Lex]

On lieing to an employer:

It's one thing to ruin a paper clip on purpose, and throw it away.

It's a totally different thing to tell your employer you have cancer, so you can't come back to work for 6 months, when you just want to lay around the house.

It's another thing all together, if your employer discovers you lied about having cancer, and you're mad at him for discovering this, so you refuse to attend the Christmas party. And of course...you fully expect to resume your 400 thousand dollar a year job when you are ready.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Lex
On lieing to an employer:

It's one thing to ruin a paper clip on purpose, and throw it away.

It's a totally different thing to tell your employer you have cancer, so you can't come back to work for 6 months, when you just want to lay around the house.

It's another thing all together, if your employer discovers you lied about having cancer, and you're mad at him for discovering this, so you refuse to attend the Christmas party. And of course...you fully expect to resume your 400 thousand dollar a year job when you are ready.

That's not at all an accurate analogy. It's more like to say that you call in sick, and you tell your boss that you have the flu, but what you really have is a hangover. The boss acts skepically to you the next day, and you decide not to go to lunch with them, or to the office happy hour.

 

[Lex]

I could agree with your analogy Kerouac, if TJ had missed just 1 or 2 days of work.

Give me a real world analogy where an employee missed 6 months of work like TJ is doing.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Lex
I could agree with your analogy Kerouac, if TJ had missed just 1 or 2 days of work.

Give me a real world analogy where an employee missed 6 months of work like TJ is doing.

Name me a job when someone only works 16 weeks a year.

The analogy is more apt because Thomas did lie about being hurt (he was hurt, he didn't "say he had cancer" when he didn't), he lied (maybe) about how he got hurt (breaking his hand answering the phone, rather than maybe beating the heck out of another fellow). This is no different than missing work and saying that you have food poisoning, rather than saying that you're coming off a three-day bender.

TJ, again, isn't missing any required work. It's not mandatory camp, and even that doesn't mean it's mandatory. Edge James missed workout programs and everything since he'd been drafted. Ricky Williams never went to camps that weren't required. Franchised players, as a general rule, don't go to camps or workouts.

 

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How 'bout that Kyle Vanden Bosch. Is he something else or what?
You know, he kind of looks like that Stone Cold wrestler guy.
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