Another Trade Theory About Thomas Jones Thread

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
You aren't from the New England area are you?

As King of Cards said....get your ignorant pie hole out of here. You obviously haven't the slightest clue of what you are talking about.

Here's a little suggestion you might want to ponder......
It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth a remove all doubt!!

PS...the name is Bidwill not Bidwill.

Jeez - when did this site start being over-run by the SS? EVERYTHING MUST BE POSITIVE OR OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by buff17
Remember how everyone was so excited last season when he put on 10 pounds of solid muscle? Rushed for 173 yards on 22 carries for the Cardinals?



So what, thats the ONLY good game hel had sice we drafdted him. And Shipp still averaged around what Jones did, IN SPOT DUTY!!



The ONLY game he EVER had over 18 carries in none the less. WHY? Bad play calling? Maybe? The Cardinals would give the guy 5 or 6 carries most of the time in the first half. He would gain 5 or 6 yards on first down. Then the Cards would throw 2 incomplete passes. 3 and out. Fall behind and GO ALL TO HELL. Pass on first down, run on 2nd down(sometimes, if any), pass on 3rd down. Did you all expect him to average 10 yards a carry?


GIVE me a break. Do you think that if Jones was a good back he whould put us in position to be in 2nd and 5 and throw two times in a row? NO! He would ge the ball on first down and get pulled down on the LOS or behind it if he was lucky.



Breaking 10 and 15 yards everyonce in a while along with his 2, 3,4, and 5 yard carries. Late in games breaking huge runs. The Cardinals would never try to establish the running game. Never, I dont think I saw Jones get the ball twice in a roll.

Emmit Smith, what the hell. Talk about a cancer in the locker room.


ARE you crazy? This is the same guy that wrote all his team ,ates letters last year stressing working out and playing as a team! yea, sure sounds like a cancer to me. MORON! Go get a clue. To call E. Smith a cancer rewens your credebility as far as I'm concerned! The guy is the ultimate TEAM player!


I bet he ******* before the 4th game of the season. He wont even play out his contact is my prediction.


Would you like to put money on that bet? I'll bet you 100$. Will you put your mouney where you're mouth is?

What about Shipp?? Hes gonna be 25 too, his style better fits the Cards. Big slow back who can take a lot of punishment(or can he.)



Yes he can!!!! Don't kid yourself! This Kid is a workhorse! He was second in the leauge in yards per touch (running and receiving). ahead of HOLMES/FAULK/WILLIAMS/JAMES............Everyone but C. Garner. So, keep on doubting Shipp. Just shows what an IDIOT you are alltogether!



How many times did this guy fumble inside the Red Zone last season?




UM, 2 to be exaxt!!!




How many times did he break a big run against MAX pass coverage defenses late in games when they had already been decided?? 4 or 5 times to be honest. Take those runs away and he averages 2 yards a carry.



YOU ARE AN INDITO!!!!! LAST SEASON TEAMS WERE STACKING 8 AGAINST THE BOX AND TRYING TO STOP OUR RUN YET SHIPP WAS STILL RIPPING OFF HUGE GAINES. Keep on doubtintg our quality players. Just shows how much of a jackass you are.


Give Shipp his shot, Jones will get his elsewhere. He will just be another name the Cards gave up on that turned into a star on another team. Its the Cardinals fault, not his. I will love the Cards til the day I die but its the truth.



So, do you want to mut your money where you BIG FAT ASS MOUTH IS?



How old was Priest Holmes when he broke it out? Hes 28 or 29 now. I see a future like that for Jones, of course with another team. He will be better then any running back on this team.

Not saying he will be better than Smith, just better than Smith is now.

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by buff17
Remember how everyone was so excited last season when he put on 10 pounds of solid muscle? Rushed for 173 yards on 22 carries for the Cardinals?



So what, thats the ONLY good game hel had sice we drafdted him. And Shipp still averaged around what Jones did, IN SPOT DUTY!!



The ONLY game he EVER had over 18 carries in none the less. WHY? Bad play calling? Maybe? The Cardinals would give the guy 5 or 6 carries most of the time in the first half. He would gain 5 or 6 yards on first down. Then the Cards would throw 2 incomplete passes. 3 and out. Fall behind and GO ALL TO HELL. Pass on first down, run on 2nd down(sometimes, if any), pass on 3rd down. Did you all expect him to average 10 yards a carry?


GIVE me a break. Do you think that if Jones was a good back he whould put us in position to be in 2nd and 5 and throw two times in a row? NO! He would ge the ball on first down and get pulled down on the LOS or behind it if he was lucky.



Breaking 10 and 15 yards everyonce in a while along with his 2, 3,4, and 5 yard carries. Late in games breaking huge runs. The Cardinals would never try to establish the running game. Never, I dont think I saw Jones get the ball twice in a roll.

Emmit Smith, what the hell. Talk about a cancer in the locker room.


ARE you crazy? This is the same guy that wrote all his team ,ates letters last year stressing working out and playing as a team! yea, sure sounds like a cancer to me. MORON! Go get a clue. To call E. Smith a cancer rewens your credebility as far as I'm concerned! The guy is the ultimate TEAM player!


I bet he ******* before the 4th game of the season. He wont even play out his contact is my prediction.


Would you like to put money on that bet? I'll bet you 100$. Will you put your mouney where you're mouth is?

What about Shipp?? Hes gonna be 25 too, his style better fits the

 

[mdsisquo]

Originally posted by buff17
Remember how everyone was so excited last season when he put on 10 pounds of solid muscle? Rushed for 173 yards on 22 carries for the Cardinals?



So what, thats the ONLY good game hel had sice we drafdted him. And Shipp still averaged around what Jones did, IN SPOT DUTY!!



The ONLY game he EVER had over 18 carries in none the less. WHY? Bad play calling? Maybe? The Cardinals would give the guy 5 or 6 carries most of the time in the first half. He would gain 5 or 6 yards on first down. Then the Cards would throw 2 incomplete passes. 3 and out. Fall behind and GO ALL TO HELL. Pass on first down, run on 2nd down(sometimes, if any), pass on 3rd down. Did you all expect him to average 10 yards a carry?


GIVE me a break. Do you think that if Jones was a good back he whould put us in position to be in 2nd and 5 and throw two times in a row? NO! He would ge the ball on first down and get pulled down on the LOS or behind it if he was lucky.



Breaking 10 and 15 yards everyonce in a while along with his 2, 3,4, and 5 yard carries. Late in games breaking huge runs. The Cardinals would never try to establish the running game. Never, I dont think I saw Jones get the ball twice in a roll.

Emmit Smith, what the hell. Talk about a cancer in the locker room.


ARE you crazy? This is the same guy that wrote all his team mates letters last year stressing working out and playing as a team! yea, sure sounds like a cancer to me. MORON! Go get a clue. To call E. Smith a cancer rewens your credebility as far as I'm concerned! The guy is the ultimate TEAM player!


I bet he ******* before the 4th game of the season. He wont even play out his contact is my prediction.


Would you like to put money on that bet? I'll bet you 100$. Will you put your mouney where you're mouth is?

What about Shipp?? Hes gonna be 25 too, his style better fits the Cards. Big slow back who can take a lot of punishment(or can he.)



Yes he can!!!! Don't kid yourself! This Kid is a workhorse! He was second in the leauge in yards per touch (running and receiving). ahead of HOLMES/FAULK/WILLIAMS/JAMES............Everyone but C. Garner. So, keep on doubting Shipp. Just shows what an IDIOT you are alltogether!



How many times did this guy fumble inside the Red Zone last season?




UM, 2 to be exact!!!




How many times did he break a big run against MAX pass coverage defenses late in games when they had already been decided?? 4 or 5 times to be honest. Take those runs away and he averages 2 yards a carry.



YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!! LAST SEASON TEAMS WERE STACKING 8 AGAINST THE BOX AND TRYING TO STOP OUR RUN YET SHIPP WAS STILL RIPPING OFF HUGE GAINES. Keep on doubtintg our quality players. Just shows how much of a jackass you are.


Give Shipp his shot, Jones will get his elsewhere. He will just be another name the Cards gave up on that turned into a star on another team. Its the Cardinals fault, not his. I will love the Cards til the day I die but its the truth.



So, do you want to mut your money where you BIG FAT ASS MOUTH IS?



How old was Priest Holmes when he broke it out? Hes 28 or 29 now. I see a future like that for Jones, of course with another team. He will be better then any running back on this team.

Not saying he will be better than Smith, just better than Smith is now.

Oh my god, You are the dumbest poster ever! Why don't you pick another team to be a fan of? You are crazy!

 

[Houdini]

Originally posted by KingofCards
Get the "f" out of here.....

Be careful King. You're coming close to breaking the 2nd commandment of Skkorp. I'd hate to see you get banned.

"2. Foul language (even mispelled) does not endear you to me."

 

[JHall]

Jones for 7th rounder to a team that runs a west coast offense is my prediction.

Trung Candidate--who essentially is like Jones (soft runner, in the coaches doghouse, put up big numbers vs. one team)--was had for a 4th. Unfortunately, there aren't many Snyders in this league to sucker.

 

[mizzoucardfan]

Kerouac, I think that your thinking is skewed. If I broke my leg and couldn't come to work but tried to say that it was work related so that I could draw workmans comp. I would be what Jones is, a lying punk. He apparently has been babied his whole life as an athlete and thinks that he is to good to have to stand up, be honest and take what he has coming. The only way that I would let him come back in any capacity to our team is after an honest public apology. And this has nothing, zero, zilch to do with the Cardinals being cheap. I don't believe there is a team in the league who would have paid Thomas Jones a penny under these circumstances.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by mizzoucardfan
Kerouac, I think that your thinking is skewed. If I broke my leg and couldn't come to work but tried to say that it was work related so that I could draw workmans comp. I would be what Jones is, a lying punk. He apparently has been babied his whole life as an athlete and thinks that he is to good to have to stand up, be honest and take what he has coming. The only way that I would let him come back in any capacity to our team is after an honest public apology. And this has nothing, zero, zilch to do with the Cardinals being cheap. I don't believe there is a team in the league who would have paid Thomas Jones a penny under these circumstances.

TJ didn't try to say that it was work-related. He said outright that it wan't a football injury. He didn't say that it happened in a bar fight, but there's no real evidence that it did (if it was KVB that got hurt under similar circumstances, there would be a lot of people that had his back), other than a money-grubbing barber who didn't get what he wanted (memories of a ho at Club Rio spring to mind). The barber's story never came to anything in the press or on the police blotter.

I didn't say that the situation had anything to do with the Cards being cheap. I said that it's not an NFL policy to not pay players on the non-football injured reserve list, and that the Cards could have elected to pay him if he, say, injured his hand prying an infant out of a crashed car, or something.

Thomas Jones is obviously a polarizing figure in the Phoenix sports market. The difference is a little more one-sided than the Jake Plummer divide, but it's there. I liked TJ when they drafted him (well, after I got over them not drafting Urlacher). I liked him when I played, and those who were in my section all through the past couple seasons would say that I'm his biggest defender (Section 13 echoed with calls of "Thomas would have broken that one, Marcel!"). I'd be the first to admit that ARI isn't the place for TJ, but I'd also say that I don't think he really got a chance here, and that, for whatever reason, fans wanted to embrace Pittman and Shipp, but were never interested in seeing Thomas tote the rock for any period of time.

All athletes are coddled throughout their carreers, except bad ones like Pat Tillman and Fred Wakefield. Thomas is who he is, and that's a star athlete who has been treated that way his entire life. I don't care whether or not he apologizes, it doesn't matter to me. No one wanted Pittman to beg Arizona's forgiveness for going Ray Lewis on his wife. I don't ask Cardinals to be exemplary humanitarians, I ask them to be exemplary football players. I saw a lot of heart in TJ's conduct during the season before he was placed on the NFIR, but his season was cut brutally short by a disabling ankle sprain, and AZ Card fan wasn't willing to cut him some slack. AZ Card fan was falling all over himself to make excuses for Marcel's embarassing performance @ KC, but they couldn't understand an injury that TJ was trying to play though. If you want to hate on TJ, that's your perogative as a plan, but please call things as they are, not as you'd like them to be because you can't stand Thomas Jones.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
if it was KVB that got hurt under similar circumstances, there would be a lot of people that had his back

That's bunk.

People like KVB because battles on the field and puts his time in and keeps his trap shut off the field.

Jones gets whacked because he's a friggin overpaid p(u)ssy, on and off the field.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'd also say that I don't think he really got a chance here, and that, for whatever reason, fans wanted to embrace Pittman and Shipp, but were never interested in seeing Thomas tote the rock for any period of time.

Thomas is who he is, and that's a star athlete

but his season was cut brutally short by a disabling ankle sprain, and AZ Card fan wasn't willing to cut him some slack.

AZ Card fan was falling all over himself to make excuses for Marcel's embarassing performance @ KC, but they couldn't understand an injury that TJ was trying to play though. If you want to hate on TJ, that's your perogative as a plan, but please call things as they are, not as you'd like them to be because you can't stand Thomas Jones.

Ok, so you're just as myopic about Thomas Jones as I am about KVB. Just so we're clear here.


TJ hasn't been a star athelete since he played a FSU team on the slide.

He was handed the starting job three years in a row, so we're pretty sure he got a fair shake.

Injuries are a bad excuse for TJ's performance, but not for KVB's?

I know you're a huge Jones guy, but damn. The only run Jones ever busted was against Seattle. You, I, bigtony, and 90% of the posters on this board could have made it through that hole. You have to admit, that was the easiest jaunt into the endzone probably in the entire league last year.

 

[Alphaman]

Originally posted by mdsisquo
OH, I'd give you our 4th and TJ for snoop Minnis in a heartbeat. I really like that guy and I think he's going to suprise some people in the next few seasons. He's going to be good, I'll say that. If he can get over those foot injuries, he is welcome on my team anytime. I'm pretty suprised you would be willing to trade him. If I was a Chief fan, I would try to hold onto him. Whats your take on Minnis? Do you know something that I don't? Am I missing something? Cause I see serious potential in the guy.


By the way, You are a very classy Fan and IMO, you are welcome back here at anytime. This is a football forum and anyone who wants to talk football is welcome. It's nice to meet fans from other teams that are more interested in talking football than mud slinging and trash talking. I commend you! BTW, hell of a back in Priest Holmes. I personally think he is better than Faulk. I may get BLASTED for that, but it is honestly how I feel. He is amazing. But watch out for Marcell Shipp in the future. IMO, he is a CLONE of P. Holmes. He's pretty much unknown as of now, but mark my words, everyone will know exactly who he is in a few years. Shipp and Holmes will be considered equal. He actually averaged more yards per touch (carries and catch) than Holmes last year. I think Shipp onlu has room to improve from where he was last year. The similarities between Shipp and Holmes are amazing, but I'll get into that at anther time.

Good luck to your squad next year. They seem to be on the rise.
Oh yea, I hope you guys sign Holliday too! I don't want that guy on my team at all. If KC signs him, I will write you a thank you card. And I mean that!!!!


GO CARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for the kind words. I try to treat all fans with respect, especially on their home board.

I like Minnis alot, but we've had a 3rd guy emerge (Mark Boerigter) and Minnis is expendable. He'd likely make the team next year, but I'm thinking we could use him as trade bait. I'd prefer a 3rd rounder for him, but since the Cards draft so high, it's doubtful they'd give up their 3rd, but their 4th is as good as a late 3rd.

 

[kerouac9]

Section 11, I got no quarrel with you. You have unsubstantiated faith in KVB as the second-coming of Grant Winstrom, I have unsubstantiated faith that TJ is the second-coming of Garrison Hearst, mdsisquo apparently feels that Marcel Shipp is the second-coming of Priest Holmes (I don't know why. Maybe mdsisquo is a Scientologist, too). I was mostly responding to Mizzou's tirade against TJ.

At least TJ has a couple of big plays... I'm not going to finish this. I don't want to fight with you about KVB. He's the second-best D-Lineman on the squad. This isn't discussing who's better between Issac Bruce and Torry Holt. I wish it were.

If Mizzou can come up with a response, I'll choose my battles. There's no use in fighting with you, because we both love the Cards, and it's all academic.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm really getting sick of this guy, Kerouac....

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I'm really getting sick of this guy, Kerouac....

Are you getting sick of me, or Mizzou? I don't want to get voted off the island...

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
There's no use in fighting with you, because we both love the Cards, and it's all academic.

Right on.



The Bruce / Holt comparison was pretty funny...

My co-worker thinks I'm a freak because I laugh out loud at stuff like that.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Right on.



The Bruce / Holt comparison was pretty funny...

My co-worker thinks I'm a freak because I laugh out loud at stuff like that.

You are a freak because you laugh out loud about stuff like that.

For real, though. There's no positive about arguing about who's a bigger disappointment between Bryant in his rookie season or KVB over his two or three. They're two legitimate starters, and building blocks of the line and don't need to be replaced until it's pretty obvious that one (or, God help us, both) are Courtney Brown. What we should all be worried about is the fact that Marcus Bell, Fred Wakefield, and Barron Tanner are all penciled in as starters on this team in Week 1. Talk about a nightmare.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
You are a freak because you laugh out loud about stuff like that.

Hey, give me some credit here...
I'm a freak for many many reasons.

 

[mizzoucardfan]

I wasn't getting on you personally Kerouac. Hell, I've been the only Cardinal fan in so many places that I would like the devil if he wore the Cardinal colors. All I am saying is that I was always a Tj supporter ( whatever his excuses were ) until he didn't support his team mates after his hand injury. To me you are going to war ( in a manner of speaking ) with the other guys on your team and it is unconscionable not to be on the sidelines supporting them during games. I remember Darryl Stingley and the Defensive lineman from the Lions in their wheelchairs cheering their teammates on from the sidelines. TJ sent a message by not being at the games IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by mizzoucardfan
I wasn't getting on you personally Kerouac. Hell, I've been the only Cardinal fan in so many places that I would like the devil if he wore the Cardinal colors. All I am saying is that I was always a Tj supporter ( whatever his excuses were ) until he didn't support his team mates after his hand injury. To me you are going to war ( in a manner of speaking ) with the other guys on your team and it is unconscionable not to be on the sidelines supporting them during games. I remember Darryl Stingley and the Defensive lineman from the Lions in their wheelchairs cheering their teammates on from the sidelines. TJ sent a message by not being at the games IMO.

I don't know. I read between the lines the O-linemen were giving during the heights of the RB-controversy before the injury, and it seemed like they liked blocking for one player more than another, and that doesn't sound like a lot of guys were going to war for TJ.

I remember seeing Tommy Bennett sitting in the player's wives section week after week when he was injured, and thinking that it was a pretty dirty thing for him to do, if he really was a team player and everything. Maybe it's just a Cards thing. Personally, after the way the Cards did Thomas after he got hurt, I'm not at all surprised that they haven't heard from him. I wouldn't come back to a friend that punched me in the face when I was down, either.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't know. I read between the lines the O-linemen were giving during the heights of the RB-controversy before the injury, and it seemed like they liked blocking for one player more than another, and that doesn't sound like a lot of guys were going to war for TJ.

I remember seeing Tommy Bennett sitting in the player's wives section week after week when he was injured, and thinking that it was a pretty dirty thing for him to do, if he really was a team player and everything. Maybe it's just a Cards thing. Personally, after the way the Cards did Thomas after he got hurt, I'm not at all surprised that they haven't heard from him. I wouldn't come back to a friend that punched me in the face when I was down, either.

Man you are blind.

He lied to the team, and you are defending that?

And he wasn't even man enough to admit what he did, bringing in his mother to lie for him. That definitely shows poor character on his part and his mothers part (my mom never lied for me).

 

[Krangodnzr]

Thomas Jones might be the single biggest draft mistake the team has made in a long time.

I preferred Shaun Alexander or Jamal Lewis (who was rightfully the first runner selected).

TJ's running style is very weak, and he has been exposed for that, combined with the fact that he doesn't have the natural instincts a good runningback has.

 

[Lex]

Kerouac9- time to respond to one of your posts. I've been sitting back as you twist the facts, and insinuate racial bias against the fans of this team. Since you are so far out there, concerning these issues, no sence trying to make sence to you.

However...your last post is complete idiocy. Let me explain something to you Lucy.

1) In your mind, it may have "seemed like they liked blocking for one player more than another," when you "read between the lines."
Reality is, that offensive linemen are paid to move the ball down the field. The ONLY reason they would prefer one back to another, would be PRODUCTION. Since TJ's PRODUCTION has been terrible, you could be right that the offensive line would prefer ANY other back than TJ for the last three years.

2) "After the way the Cards did Thomas after he got hurt?" Are you talking about not paying him?

All the guy did, was break his hand in a bar fight, lie to team officials about it, have his MOM back up his lie, and not even CONTACT his employer in the MONTHS since he lied about it.
Oh, by the way, a friend didn't punch him in the face when he was down, HE PUNCHED SOMEONE IN THE FACE AT A BAR, BROKE HIS HAND, AND LIED ABOUT IT!

 

[kerouac9]

I'm saying that I'm willing to give a player I like the benefit of the doubt against some guy who came out six months after the fact complaining the the newspaper, not to the cops, that someone broke their hand on his face.

If you think the anti-Cards press in the Valley wouldn't be all over themselves to report the continuance of this story, you're joking. They stopped reporting on it because there probably wasn't anything to the story. Lex, if you have proof that this was how TJ truly broke his hand, I'm sure Gambo would love to have it.

Even if there was, I don't care. He broke his hand somehow, and it wasn't playing football. That's the fact of the matter. It's really none of my business how he did it.

Krang, we all respect your foresight in hating TJ well before he was drafted as a Cardinal. Great for you. I swear, if I have to hear anymore about how you know that Thomas was going to be a bust before anyone else did, I'm going to throw up. Even Pasquarelli noted that a lot of people had him listed as a "can't miss" pick.

Yeah, I'm talking about not paying him. The Cards treated TJ like he was not a vauled member of the team and organization. Whether or not that treatment is justified is beyond my purview. They had the option not to pay him, so they didn't. I don't blame TJ for having better things to do on Sundays than show up and support and organization that failed to support him.

I didn't blame Bill Clinton for lying to the nation about Monica, and I don't blame TJ for maybe lying to the team about how he broke his hand. LEX: does this make "sence" to you?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

For my two cents worth, I still like Thomas Jones. There is no one else on the Cardinals roster I want to see with the rock when it's 1st and goal on the 7.

This whole lying thing is getting blown out of proportion. He's young and he made a mistake, one way or another. He fouled up, and made up a story to try to stay out of trouble and it backfired on him. When the Cardinals refused to pay him for a non-football injury, they were well within their rights as an NFL franchise. If you were hurt, and didn't get paid, wouldn't you be pissed? But now the team needs to break the silence with him, find some sort of solution to their mutual problem, and move on!

And I doubt his mama lied for him, I'm sure he lied to her so she would go into the office and back him up. And I'm sure she's dealt with him for that!

From everything I've heard from people that have played with is his ability to learn and improve from those around him. Not because he's a great student, but because he wants to be better than you. That is not a dig! What kind of examples has he had here? What kind of coaching? What kind of game situations where you can give him the pill 20+ times in the ballgame?

Just my opinions...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9


Krang, we all respect your foresight in hating TJ well before he was drafted as a Cardinal. Great for you. I swear, if I have to hear anymore about how you know that Thomas was going to be a bust before anyone else did, I'm going to throw up. Even Pasquarelli noted that a lot of people had him listed as a "can't miss" pick.

You really are a jack.....I'm not going to even finish saying that since I want to respect Skkorp's wishes.

I don't hate TJ. I actually was hoping for big things from him, but he never delivered and was clearly outplayed by an undrafted free agent. I liked other players in the draft and I could care less
what Len Pasquerelli says about him being a "can't miss", because he obviously was a strike out.

Yeah, I'm talking about not paying him. The Cards treated TJ like he was not a vauled member of the team and organization. Whether or not that treatment is justified is beyond my purview. They had the option not to pay him, so they didn't. I don't blame TJ for having better things to do on Sundays than show up and support and organization that failed to support him.

I didn't blame Bill Clinton for lying to the nation about Monica, and I don't blame TJ for maybe lying to the team about how he broke his hand. LEX: does this make "sence" to you?

TJ showed the team that he was a liar and can't be trusted. You actually fault the team for not paying an immature liar? Your logic is way off. HE LIED and the team decided that he wasn't worth it. Unlike others, I could care less if he showed up after his injury, he already had played himself off the team. He also was best friends with a known party/drug user and was not an active part of the team according to numerous sources.