Antrel Rolle - Decision time in T-Minus 12 days

[joeshmo]

I dont think we are talking about this one topic enough. Anyone want to talk about the elephant in the room?

Rolle is due a 4 mill roster bonus on March 1st.

Rolle is due 8.11 Mill in base salary, the last year of his contract starting March 1st.

IMO there is about a 5% chance that we actually pay that, dont care if it is uncapped year or not 12+ mill for Rolle just isnt a good business decision for any team.

With only 12 days to go and no news about negotiations I think there is a 95% chance that Rolle is a gonner come March 1st. Then again maybe negotiations are going so good that neither side feels the need to use the media to geta deal done, who knows, but I dont like the current silence and the current implications.

Anyone have Urbans email address to ask him if negotiatons have even started?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I dont think we are talking about this one topic enough.

Rolle is due a 4 mill roster bonus on March 1st.

Rolle is due 8.11 Mill in base salary, the last year of his contract starting March 1st.

IMO there is about a 5% chance that we actually pay that, dont care if it is uncapped year or not 12+ mill for Rolle just isnt a good business decision for any team.

With only 12 days to go and no news about negotiations I think there is a 95% chance that Rolle is a gonner come March 1st. Then again maybe negotiations are going so good that neither side feels the need to use the media to geta deal done, who knows, but I dont like the current silence and the current implications.

Anyone have Urbans email address to ask him if negotiatons have even started?

Sure it isn't 94% ?

Urban's email address can be found at the bottom of his blog page, I believe.

Would they consider paying the $4M to retain the asset, continue negotiating, and if all else fails trade him at the draft?

 

[Big Deal]

I will be really upset if they just let Rolle walk in an uncapped year over money. My issues are:

1) No one to replace him on current roster
2) Limited in FA to replace him
3) Have to spend a draft pick on safety again in 1st half of draft
4) Get nothing in return if we cut him (Keep him next year and he signs elsewhere at least you have a change to get a comp pick)

Who cares how much his contract cost when you can't replace him, aren't we saving enough not having to pay KWs contract??? I know what you are saying about the business end of it, but if we lose KW, Dansby, Rolle this offseason based on money (I know KW isn't based on money), then we are right back where we left off when we let Plummer walk, and didn't sign key FA after our last playoff run.

 

[kerouac9]

I believe that Darren's e-mail is [email protected]. He's fantastic.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cards pay Antrel $12 million plus on an extension for this season. The problem is that he's going to have to renegotiate in the next 12 days for that to happen. I think you're right that the Cards aren't going to pay him $4 million for a solid 15 games and then belly up to the table.

I'm more sanguine than you on the negotiations, though. I'm taking no news as good news on this front. I'd guess that the odds that Rolle ends up on the roster for 2010 are 70% in favor.

Otherwise, I'm really going to have to think about who I want a jersey for next year. I was gonna get a Dansby if he extended, and I already have a Rolle jersey (bought it right after he was drafted).

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I agree with you Joe. I think Rolle is going to be gone. I'd say 55% cut, 45% renegotiation, 0% chance of current salary for the year.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I dont think we are talking about this one topic enough. Anyone want to talk about the elephant in the room?

Rolle is due a 4 mill roster bonus on March 1st.

Rolle is due 8.11 Mill in base salary, the last year of his contract starting March 1st.

IMO there is about a 5% chance that we actually pay that, dont care if it is uncapped year or not 12+ mill for Rolle just isnt a good business decision for any team.

With only 12 days to go and no news about negotiations I think there is a 95% chance that Rolle is a gonner come March 1st. Then again maybe negotiations are going so good that neither side feels the need to use the media to geta deal done, who knows, but I dont like the current silence and the current implications.

Anyone have Urbans email address to ask him if negotiatons have even started?

 

[joeshmo]

Would they consider paying the $4M to retain the asset, continue negotiating, and if all else fails trade him at the draft?

The problem with that though is a complete position of weakness.

Teams know we are only paying him the 4 mill just to try and trade him. In neogitations why would Rolle want to renegotiate it unless it is an absolute killer deal. He is making over 12 mill gauranteed if he is on the roster to begin the season. Plus the 4 mill is out of our pocket, even if he is traded. So are we going to pay 4 million for a 3rd round draft pick?

 

[82CardsGrad]

The problem with that though is a complete position of weakness.

Teams know we are only paying him the 4 mill just to try and trade him. In neogitations why would Rolle want to renegotiate it unless it is an absolute killer deal. He is making over 12 mill gauranteed if he is on the roster to begin the season. Plus the 4 mill is out of our pocket, even if he is traded. So are we going to pay 4 million for a 3rd round draft pick?

No team is that stupid... (sans the Skins of course...), not even the Cards.

 

[joeshmo]

IWho cares how much his contract cost when you can't replace him, aren't we saving enough not having to pay KWs contract??? I know what you are saying about the business end of it, but if we lose KW, Dansby, Rolle this offseason based on money (I know KW isn't based on money), then we are right back where we left off when we let Plummer walk, and didn't sign key FA after our last playoff run.

Dont make the mistake of take 11.5 mill from KW and thinking its just now free money to spend. Remember we have a ton of RFA's and EFA's to tender this year. The other 30 players under contract also have raises to their base salaries or bonuses in their contracts as well. Not everyones contract looks like McFaddens who gets 5 mill in base salary both years of his contracts, most contracts base salaries rise every year.

So while you can look at KW, Okeafer, and Gandy coming off the books, but how mush is already spent?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Was once told by a teacher that unless I had the empirical evidence to support likelihood in percentage terms - use: Likely, unlikely, very unlikely!

 

[joeshmo]

Well that was frackin fast. Urban litteraly answered my email in less then a minute.

He said is is actually currently writing about this exact topic. Also an exact quote from him "But no, I don’t expect Rolle to be paid $12 million for one season."

He said the piece should be up later today, so check it out.

 

[joeshmo]

Was once told by a teacher that unless I had the empirical evidence to support likelihood in percentage terms - use: Likely, unlikely, very unlikely!

There is a 99% chance I will not follow this advice.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Rolle is going to be cut before he gets paid the roster bonus.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Rolle is going to be cut before he gets paid the roster bonus.

Source?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Source?

Me

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Me

Thank you, Mr. Graves.

 

[football karma]

Well that was frackin fast. Urban litteraly answered my email in less then a minute.

He said is is actually currently writing about this exact topic. Also an exact quote from him "But no, I don’t expect Rolle to be paid $12 million for one season."

He said the piece should be up later today, so check it out.

we are so spoiled. I know this is off topic, but man -- between Urban, Somers, Sando, Wolf, KTAR, etc -- Cardinal coverage is outstanding.

 

[Mitch]

Here's my prediction:

The Cardinals will offer Rolle a 4 year $22M contract with $6M in guaranteed money.

He will have to weigh whether his desire to return to Florida (or have to bargain elsewhere) at what would likely be less money is worth it or not.

But, I think Rolle is smart. I think he signs the deal.

 

[Dr. Jones]

-- Safety

Antrel Rolle

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is going into the final year of his rookie contract scheduled to receive a $4 million roster bonus at the beginning of next month and more than $8 million in salary this season. Graves said the team currently is working on restructuring and extending his deal.​

“He’s a playmaker for us and we’d like to extend him,” Graves said.​

Added Whisenhunt, “That’s what this organization has done, try to keep the good football players, and Antrel is one of those. We are working on it, much like we did with Larry (Fitzgerald) in almost this same type of situation (in 2007).”​

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...As-Usual/4cc9bc61-80cc-4968-9dfb-f9c9c486e006

 

[Unsterblich856]

We don't have a ready replacement. Ware and Abdullah aren't starting material and Rashad Johnson is not up to NFL pace. He is going to be on the roster opening day.

 

[Dr. Jones]

As expected, the Cardinals are trying to negotiate a contract extension with safety Antrel Rolle — a must, given that Rolle is due a $4 million bonus next month and an $8+ million salary. It’ll be interesting what Rolle wants out of the deal. If the Cards believe there is a good chance of getting something done, there really isn’t any urgency to reach a new agreement before needing to pay out the bonus because Rolle will get that money (and then some) anyway. But there’s an element of high-stakes poker to this too. Rolle doesn’t have to do anything and force the Cards’ hand, although in this market, all players need to be wary of what they can get.
Rolle is easily the most pressing issue for the Cards right now, given that Karlos Dansby’s situation can’t be resolved before free agency begins and Dansby is able to set his price.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/02/17/talks-with-rolle-ongoing/

 

[lobo]

Was once told by a teacher that unless I had the empirical evidence to support likelihood in percentage terms - use: Likely, unlikely, very unlikely!

i like when you speak canadien (canadian)

 

[Oly]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/02/17/talks-with-rolle-ongoing/

Sounds eerily familiar to me. Kind of like we will just put the franchise tag on him and work it out we will have plenty of time he's going to get the money anyways. Oh wait we will just franchise him again that will give us all the time to work it out

Okay Mr. Graves just pay him his 4 million in bonus because you can't get a deal done in less time than it took to build the Panama canal. Sounds good to me after all it worked out great last time.

This is the year of the Graves if he can get us past this offseason with out destroying the team do to doing next to half of what needs to be done I will jump on the Graves wagon and eat a lot of crow. But I have a bad felling he is going to single-handedly kill are dreams this offseason.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm???????????

Sounds eerily familiar to me. Kind of like we will just put the franchise tag on him and work it out we will have plenty of time he's going to get the money anyways. Oh wait we will just franchise him again that will give us all the time to work it out

Okay Mr. Graves just pay him his 4 million in bonus because you can't get a deal done in less time than it took to build the Panama canal. Sounds good to me after all it worked out great last time.

This is the year of the Graves if he can get us past this offseason with out destroying the team do to doing next to half of what needs to be done I will jump on the Graves wagon and eat a lot of crow. But I have a bad felling he is going to single-handedly kill are dreams this offseason.

This is a completely different situation than Dansby. Dansby had a light rookie contract, got expired, and a deal was never worked out. Rolle had a backloaded rookie contract and is slated to make more than he's worth. Rolle's situation is akin to Fitz's, and that worked out just fine.

 

[Oly]

This is a completely different situation than Dansby. Dansby had a light rookie contract, got expired, and a deal was never worked out. Rolle had a backloaded rookie contract and is slated to make more than he's worth. Rolle's situation is akin to Fitz's, and that worked out just fine.

The part that sounds the same to me is the Just pay or tag him and work it out latter. I would hope they learned from last time. I hope for the sooner rather than latter head in the ground and see what happens approach.