Antrel Rolle - Decision time in T-Minus 12 days

[earthsci]

My point Earthsci is that if the Cardinals were really intent on keeping Rolle long term, they would have never let it get to this point, because there isn't one reason why Rolle should renegotiate now. I just hate that they are making a dog and pony show attempt of trying to resign him when in all aspects they made their decision months ago. All I want to hear is that Rolle isn't a part of their long term plans, and good luck to him.

See, I disagree with you. They do want him now. They were planning on letting him go when they drafted Johnson. That's why they never tried to renegotiate. That didn't work out. Now you would be happier if they just let him leave and not try to keep him? I hope that we can find a good replacement.

 

[Duckjake]

Smart teams turn over players who have priced themselves out. See NE and Pitt as prime examples. That is why they stay competitive year in and out. They pick up extra draft picks and reload, through the draft mainly.

With the new CBA coming out after this season the uncapped year is smoke and mirrors. Going forward teams will have less to spend on their players and the teams who give in to the unrealistic market demands of some will be regretting their decision the year after next.

Again the players have to be willing and realistic going ahead. FS's can be replaced. WILB's too. Not a problem. Bring in pro's who have reasonable demands and develop your own youngsters. Keep the core interior players or the Fitzgeralds and Warners if you have the opportunity to do so, which they did at their respective times. Now they're reaching out to Dockett, early. Nobody is mentioning that.

But, as has been said many times before, if you look at who they let go and at their roster they always seem to have some guy in his 2nd-3rd year with the team to step in and take the guys place. So you have to stockpile the draft picks and be able to draft 2-3 years ahead.

Unfortunately the Cards have been drafting so high and had so many holes to fill that they haven't been able to do that until the last couple of years. Makes it much harder to follow that philosophy when there's nobody to step in.

Edit: for a team with the rep the Steelers have of letting their high priced players go and plugging somebody in they sure have a lot of guys with 3+ years with the team. In fact I think the only position on their depth chart without at least one guy with 3 years or more with the Steelers is Center. And that guy is Justin Hartwig who they picked up as a free agent in 2008.

 

[WildBB]

But, as has been said many times before, if you look at who they let go and at their roster they always seem to have some guy in his 2nd-3rd year with the team to step in and take the guys place. So you have to stockpile the draft picks and be able to draft 2-3 years ahead.

Unfortunately the Cards have been drafting so high and had so many holes to fill that they haven't been able to do that until the last couple of years. Makes it much harder to follow that philosophy when there's nobody to step in.

That would be ideal. They'll need a stop gap vet in here for a yr. or two, much like Robinson provided at DT, IMO.

Hopefully Rasad makes leaps and bounds strides this in his 2nd campaign. Last season should have been a wake up call, that it just won't be handed over to him. He had too much talent and leadership skills at Alabama to be tabbed a bust at this point.

kerouac9

You have seen this season's free agency list, haven't you?

And it's weird that people are assuming that Rolle has unreasonable demands. The Cards owe him $16 million for this season. That's what he wants to make--total--this year. He said he wouldn't take a pay cut. But who's to say that he's the one with unreasonable demands right now? It could be that the Cards do want him to take a pay cut based on money he's earned.

I thought it was like 12.4M and that with the 4M bonus on March 1. That would put them at over 20M for two safteys next season.

If he doesn't want to take a pay cut, how can a deal get done? Fitz took a pay cut when he was scheduled to make like 17M in his final yr. He took a 4yr. deal at 10M per at that's with the signing bonus, I think.

 

[kerouac9]

I thought it was like 12.4M and that with the 4M bonus on March 1. That would put them at over 20M for two safteys next season.

If he doesn't want to take a pay cut, how can a deal get done? Fitz took a pay cut when he was scheduled to make like 17M in his final yr. He took a 4yr. deal at 10M per at that's with the signing bonus, I think.

You're right. It's $8 mil in salary, $4 mil in bonus.

The deal can get done by converting almost all of that value into signing bonus and extending the contract. It's accounting gimmick, but it allows everyone to walk away happy. The Cards don't want to pay Rolle $12 mil for one season. That doesn't mean that they don't want to pay him $12 mil on a long-term extension (which is actually pretty reasonable).

$11.5 mil signing bonus + Veteran minimum Y1; $1.5 mil Y2; $1.75 mil Y3; $2.2 mil Y4, $4 mil Y5 as an example. That's a 5 year, $21.45 million contract extension with say the first two years guaranteed.

You're also wrong about Fitz's contract. Fitz was due to make $14.59 million in 2008, which put the Cards in a real bind. When they did his contract extension, Fitz cashed a $15 million signing bonus, and $17 million the first year of the deal.

See how that works out?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Rolle leaves , we can always just bring Terence Holt back in . I mean Rolle is easliy replaceable. When you can get a platoon of Matt Ware, who somehow people are convincing themsleves that he's good, and Terence Holt, why keep a guy who has gotten better every year and was a Pro bowl alternate. At least Graves will save the Bidwill's some money. Maybe he even gets promoted again.

 

[Chopper0080]

What I like best about Rolle is his position flexibility. He has experience playing corner, he can play free safety reasonably well, and he projects well to the strong safety position which is filled by a 30+ player. Personally, I like a guy with this type of flexibility on my roster, and I believe that when he is below 30, he is even more valuable.

But, sadly, the only way the Cardinals bring him back at this point is to pay him 12 million, or pay in free agency, and I don't think that he is worth what he will cost in this depleted market.

One more hole to fill via the draft.

 

[WildBB]

You're right. It's $8 mil in salary, $4 mil in bonus.

The deal can get done by converting almost all of that value into signing bonus and extending the contract. It's accounting gimmick, but it allows everyone to walk away happy. The Cards don't want to pay Rolle $12 mil for one season. That doesn't mean that they don't want to pay him $12 mil on a long-term extension (which is actually pretty reasonable).

$11.5 mil signing bonus + Veteran minimum Y1; $1.5 mil Y2; $1.75 mil Y3; $2.2 mil Y4, $4 mil Y5 as an example. That's a 5 year, $21.45 million contract extension with say the first two years guaranteed.

You're also wrong about Fitz's contract. Fitz was due to make $14.59 million in 2008, which put the Cards in a real bind. When they did his contract extension, Fitz cashed a $15 million signing bonus, and $17 million the first year of the deal.

See how that works out?

Thanks for covering that.

Yeah to me it would be the way to go. The question is does Rolle want to be here rather than in S. Fla. along with his agent bud?! How you explained it, should cover it and should get it done. Will it? We're dealing with the bad guy agent again.

 

[Buckybird]

If Rolle leaves , we can always just bring Terence Holt back in . I mean Rolle is easliy replaceable. When you can get a platoon of Matt Ware, who somehow people are convincing themsleves that he's good, and Terence Holt, why keep a guy who has gotten better every year and was a Pro bowl alternate. At least Graves will save the Bidwill's some money. Maybe he even gets promoted again.

Right on

Maybe we will get lucky & Graves forgets to extend himself

 

[Big Deal]

Right on

Maybe we will get lucky & Graves forgets to extend himself

LOL!

 

[lobo]

he will be released...between bonus and salary $12 large. rest assured the f/o has some ideas on how to spend that...or less and get a quality guy...jets have one that is ready to walk. rolle is a "nice" safety and still might renegotiate.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Bears could target Antrel Rolle

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 26, 2010 1:12 PM ET


Arizona Cardinals safety Antrel Rolle is likely to be released soon because the Cardinals don't want to pay his $4 million roster bonus, and he says he won't take a pay cut. But Rolle may already know that he has at least one suitor in the Chicago Bears.

Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune reports that it's expected that the Bears will target Rolle when he becomes available.

It would be tampering for the Bears to come right out and say they want Rolle, but it's easy for teams to get around the tampering rules by leaking word that they're interested in a player who's under contract to another team. In the case of the Bears, they're not saying publicly that they want Rolle, but head coach Lovie Smith did say at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis that he wants to sign a free-agent safety.

"We need to improve our safety position, period," Smith said. "Haven't been pleased with the production we've gotten. I think we had one interception from the safety position. That was one of the reasons why I feel like our takeaways were down this year. We need to bring in or just get more competition and just improvement in general."

The 27-year-old Rolle, who started every game but one for the Cardinals the last two years, grew up in Florida and has expressed interest in signing with the Dolphins.

 

[TJ]

Sando also reporting he will likely be released

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4954227