Antrel Rolle - Decision time in T-Minus 12 days

[Chopper0080]

If this deal doesn't get done, it is on the front office. They were given a pass on the Fitzgerald deal, but to have the same thing happen again with Rolle is just stupid.

 

[40yearfan]

If the front office would just follow all the fans wishes, everything would be hunky-dory. I mean, after all, who knows better how to run this team? The fans or those idiots who got us to the Super Bowl and have won back to back division titles?

 

[kerouac9]

If Rolle isn't somehow on the roster this fall, it's going to be really bad news for the defense and Rod Graves.

 

[WildBB]

Antrel could get rolled out of Arizona

Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2010 9:33 PM ET


Meanwhile, Rolle is the second top-ten pick of the Cardinals during the three-year Denny Green era to unlock high-end escalators that eventually forced the team into a corner. Two years ago, 2004 first-rounder Larry Fitzgerald parlayed a huge cap number into a four-year, $40 million deal. This time around, a good-but-not-great career from Rolle has put him in line for $12 million, an amount that's unheard of for a safety.

So Rolle undoubtedly won't be back in Arizona absent a major pay cut, and he'll ultimately make a lot less than $12.11 million this year, and likely in any future year of his career.

Leinart will be the third.

This says it all. That's why the team refused to do escalators for so long. Fitz was worth top end $$. Rolle isn't, but won't settle. Leinart most likely will have to settle for less next year or go back Pete Carrol's way.

That's why we need to look at QB fairly early on in the draft and get a cagy vet in here.

Pray that Rashad Johnson can take over and execute well. 20M (Rolle asking for more than AW) for two safties won't fly at all.

 

[WildBB]

If this deal doesn't get done, it is on the front office. They were given a pass on the Fitzgerald deal, but to have the same thing happen again with Rolle is just stupid.

Why is it on them. Rolle probably wanted the escalator year to kick in. 12.1 is a huge potential payday. Otherwise his option would be FA, which also seems fine to him.

 

[Dayman]

Leinart will be the third.

This says it all. That's why the team refused to do escalators for so long. Fitz was worth top end $$. Rolle isn't, but won't settle. Leinart most likely will have to settle for less next year or go back Pete Carrol's way.

That's why we need to look at QB fairly early on in the draft and get a cagy vet in here.

Pray that Rashad Johnson can take over and execute well. 20M (Rolle asking for more than AW) for two safties won't fly at all.

Problems with Levi are likely on the way, as well.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0802levi-ON.html

The maximum value is around $20 million more than the players drafted around Brown signed for, but a large chunk of that money is incentive-based and wrapped in the final year of the deal. The incentives are hard to reach, and Brown likely will have a new deal before the sixth year comes.

Rookies' contracts are difficult to compare because of the complexity of incentive and escalator clauses. A more realistic comparison is the guaranteed money, and the $18 million or so Brown will receive is comparable to that of the players taken around him.

I don't like Rolle as much as a lot of others on the board, but this would be a ridiculous way to lose him. I hope DRC's contract was structured in a different manner. One thing to keep in mind, though. If Rolle turned into a Pro Bowl cornerback, as was assumed when the contract was written, a $12 million salary wouldn't seem so outrageous. He'd still be significantly overpaid, but it would be remotely justifiable. As a safety, it just can't happen.

 

[Chopper0080]

Why is it on them. Rolle probably wanted the escalator year to kick in. 12.1 is a huge potential payday. Otherwise his option would be FA, which also seems fine to him.

Yes Rolle wants to get paid, but I am sure that the bonus he is due is a roster bonus. How hard is it to hit that? So in essence either our front office didn't foresee that Rolle would be on our roster this year, or they are too inept to restructure a deal at around 5 million per year. All we did was take away our bargaining leverage with Rolle, allow him access into a very thin free agent market, and potentially open up another hole that we have to fill via the draft. I don't care who you are, this is bad business.

If you don't want Rolle, just cut him and don't let it get to the deadline. If you wanted to keep him, we should have been working on this deal for months now, not weeks. Presently, we just look stupid and inept.

 

[Buckybird]

If this FO can't manage to keep a hold of Rolle because they can't get a deal in place to extend him, then we're back in the dark ages, folks. If that happens and we don't see anything tangible about how it was Rolle's greed that kept the deal from getting done....lordy, will this place explode.

Rod Graves strikes again

 

[Buckybird]

If the front office would just follow all the fans wishes, everything would be hunky-dory. I mean, after all, who knows better how to run this team? The fans or those idiots who got us to the Super Bowl and have won back to back division titles?

I guarantee you nearly every person on this board could run this organization as good as Rod Graves. He probably won't be able to sign himself to an extension (by the way he is due). The human turtle has struck again. Leinart next, then Levi!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why is this a surprise to anyone? Hell, Graves let Kurt Warner test the open market last year. I don't know if i remember right but didn't Fitz even draw out into opening of FA and that hamstrung the Cards at the begining.

 

[Stout]

If the front office would just follow all the fans wishes, everything would be hunky-dory. I mean, after all, who knows better how to run this team? The fans or those idiots who got us to the Super Bowl and have won back to back division titles?

So you'd be cool if the FO cut Rolle? You'd be cool with the fact that, on an already shaky defense, we'd then have two starters lost with no replacements instead of just one?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So you'd be cool if the FO cut Rolle? You'd be cool with the fact that, on an already shaky defense, we'd then have two starters lost with no replacements instead of just one?

Given the current situation, yes. We shouldn't pay him $12 mil this year and then have him be a UFA next year asking for even more.

We shouldn't resign him for at least $12M guaranteed because the contract would be way too much. We'd be paying WAY too much for our safeties.

It definitely isn't good news for our defense, but if the team wants to not have this issue anymore, (escalators in contracts putting them in a bad spot) then they need to resign the guy mid year the year before their last.

 

[joeshmo]

It definitely isn't good news for our defense, but if the team wants to not have this issue anymore, (escalators in contracts putting them in a bad spot)

If they dont want to have that issue anymore then they need to stay out of the top 10 in the draft for a long time.

 

[Totally_Red]

If the front office would just follow all the fans wishes, everything would be hunky-dory. I mean, after all, who knows better how to run this team? The fans or those idiots who got us to the Super Bowl and have won back to back division titles?

The 'fans' like to complain everytime ticket prices go up, then complain again when the team doesn't cough up $12-million for a mediocre free safety. If Antrel Rolle is worth $12-million, then Anquan Boldin is worth $20-million.

 

[az jam]

Rolle has the high escalator because he was drafted as a top ten pick as a cornerback. He failed at cb and has been decent as a free safety. The pay scale is much higher for a premier CB than safety.

The 2010 franchise tag for a CB is $9.5 million while for a safety it is $6.5 million.

 

[Mulli]

Rolle makes the hard plays seem easy. The easy play look hard. I won't be sad if he leaves. :duck:

 

[kerouac9]

Three years ago, if you were asked who the core members of the defense were, you'd say Dockett, Dansby, Wilson, and Rolle.

Essentially we may be letting half our core leave in one offseason with zero plan to replace them. It's probably not going to be the end of the world, but it certainly is a cause for concern. Whis can't feel good going into the offseason if he's going to have to replace half his core group.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Rolle, Boldin and Dansby linked to Dolphins

Antrel Rolle's impending release should interest Dolphins
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February 22 Palm Beach Post

"There's been a definite connection between the Dolphins and the star-laden Arizona Cardinals this offseason.

The talk of Pahokee native Anquan Boldin possibly going to Miami has been going on for weeks.

The news last week that the Cardinals wouldn't put a franchise tag on linebacker Karlos Dansby combined with a radio interview in which Dansby said he'd love to play for the Dolphins came last week.

And now it's safety Antrel Rolle's turn. A former University of Miami standout who still spends his offseasons in South Florida, Rolle apparently will be released in the coming week, creating sure-fire speculation that he could be the answer to the Dolphins' free safety problem."

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If they dont want to have that issue anymore then they need to stay out of the top 10 in the draft for a long time.

You don't have to tell me.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Antrel Rolle's impending release should interest Dolphins
Comment


February 22 Palm Beach Post

"There's been a definite connection between the Dolphins and the star-laden Arizona Cardinals this offseason.

The talk of Pahokee native Anquan Boldin possibly going to Miami has been going on for weeks.

The news last week that the Cardinals wouldn't put a franchise tag on linebacker Karlos Dansby combined with a radio interview in which Dansby said he'd love to play for the Dolphins came last week.

And now it's safety Antrel Rolle's turn. A former University of Miami standout who still spends his offseasons in South Florida, Rolle apparently will be released in the coming week, creating sure-fire speculation that he could be the answer to the Dolphins' free safety problem."

I'm wondering if there is an NFL player with any connection to Florida who hasn't been asked whether they'd like to play for the Dolphins?

 

[Duckjake]

Three years ago, if you were asked who the core members of the defense were, you'd say Dockett, Dansby, Wilson, and Rolle.

Essentially we may be letting half our core leave in one offseason with zero plan to replace them. It's probably not going to be the end of the world, but it certainly is a cause for concern. Whis can't feel good going into the offseason if he's going to have to replace half his core group.

A real cause for concern because many of us thought the Cards were past the days of having starters leave without any adequate replacement on the roster.

Unlike Dansby at least with Rolle the Cards had drafted to the position with Rashad Johnson.

 

[joeshmo]

Unlike Dansby at least with Rolle the Cards had drafted to the position with Rashad Johnson.

I think Rashad Johnson not even showing a glimmer of hope on the field or in practice really bit them in the butt. I have a sneaking position that they though they were going to pull off another Campbell for Antonio Smith trade off. Meaning they fully intended on lossing Rolle this year. Rashad Johnson crapped the bed and here we are.

Also, I dont think Rolle is in the top 4 of our D core anymore, that was 2-3 years ago. Dockett, Campbell, DRC, and Wilson are the top 4 IMO. Dansby is probably #5, making Rolle not even in the top 5. Sucks to loss him without a doubt but we are not losing a core D player anymore.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think Rashad Johnson not even showing a glimmer of hope on the field or in practice really bit them in the butt. I have a sneaking position that they though they were going to pull off another Campbell for Antonio Smith trade off. Meaning they fully intended on lossing Rolle this year. Rashad Johnson crapped the bed and here we are.

Also, I dont think Rolle is in the top 4 of our D core anymore, that was 2-3 years ago. Dockett, Campbell, DRC, and Wilson are the top 4 IMO. Dansby is probably #5, making Rolle not even in the top 5. Sucks to loss him without a doubt but we are not losing a core D player anymore.

That is EXACTLY how I feel.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Rashad Johnson not even showing a glimmer of hope on the field or in practice really bit them in the butt. I have a sneaking position that they though they were going to pull off another Campbell for Antonio Smith trade off. Meaning they fully intended on lossing Rolle this year. Rashad Johnson crapped the bed and here we are.

Also, I dont think Rolle is in the top 4 of our D core anymore, that was 2-3 years ago. Dockett, Campbell, DRC, and Wilson are the top 4 IMO. Dansby is probably #5, making Rolle not even in the top 5. Sucks to loss him without a doubt but we are not losing a core D player anymore.

That's obviously the case now, but I think that Dansby has been more consistent than DRC the last season, and so if he were on the roster I'd still consider him a core player. I'd also like to see Calais do it again for another season before I'm ready to add him to the core.

But you're right that the core of the team evolves. For me, as medicore as Adrian Wilson was the last half of the season, I would suggest that Rolle is probably more of an important member of the unit (recognizing that Rolle overruns plays and fails to make easy tackles and all his other weaknesses) unless Wilson bounces back big-time.

In another year, I think that the core of the D will be exactly what you say it is.

And I think you're exactly right about Rashad Johnson. Him being terrible his rookie season and not getting with the program really, really hurt the team. We'll likely see Matt Ware: Starting Free safety next season. And I don't like that one bit.

 

[Stout]

The point isn't that the FO should pay him 12 million. The point, if he is cut, is that the FO was too inept to extend him to a new contract. I hope we can get it done.