Arizona Basketball 2016-2017 Season

[Russ Smith]

Dude, it's been a long time since I heard Bill Walton do a basketball game, so I had forgotten how much I CANNOT STAND HIM.

Seriously, even Dave Pasche seems like he's ready to tell him to just ****, and that guy works with Wolfley. Walton is just this pompous old man who scoffs at everything anyone says and honestly he seems to detest the game of basketball in it's current form, so why have him do college games?

Seriously, sorry to encroach on the thread UofA fans, but Bill Walton is the worst. Good luck against Oregon!

The split screen thing is annoying as hell you can't see the game

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't get the whole "what happens in the tournaments doesn't matter" thought process. Those are games. Games with more pressure. They count MORE for smaller schools who have to win their tourney to get in but they shouldn't matter for bigger schools?!? BAH that's stupid.

Sorry Jackson got suspended. You lost in the first round of your conference tourney. No #1 seed for you Kansas. In fact, if you don't make your conference championship (really I think you should have to win it, but I understand taking the whole season into account - which also means shouldn't we not count zona's loss to gonzaga bc Trier was suspended? Why does it factor in for KU's loss and not an earlier season loss?) you shouldn't be a #1. No whining. Win and get the #1. Lose and don't. Pretty simple.

Well for example Oregon just lost Boucher for the season wtih a torn ACL, so Arizona should win easily tonight. Helps UA but should really hurt Oregon because the NCAA committee factors in injuries, no Boucher means oregon will get a lower seed, even if they managed to beat UA tonight.

That's NOT the case with Kansas because they know Jackson only has a 1 game suspension so he'll be back for the tourney.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dude, it's been a long time since I heard Bill Walton do a basketball game, so I had forgotten how much I CANNOT STAND HIM.

Seriously, even Dave Pasche seems like he's ready to tell him to just ****, and that guy works with Wolfley. Walton is just this pompous old man who scoffs at everything anyone says and honestly he seems to detest the game of basketball in it's current form, so why have him do college games?

Seriously, sorry to encroach on the thread UofA fans, but Bill Walton is the worst. Good luck against Oregon!

Walton is even worse than I remember and worse than you described. I have to mute him.

 

[TJ]

Gutty performance, despite the turnovers and Larry Scott's officials pulling for the Ducks. Poetic justice for Trier to hit the game sealing free throws in the end considering all that he went through this season.

 

[TJ]

Jackson may not be playing college basketball ever again

Huh? It was just a one game suspension. Trust me, Self isn't keeping him out from any tournament games.

 

[DWKB]

Kansas lost in their opening a round of the tournament they shouldn't get a number one seed either

Wrong. Look at total body of work.

 

[DWKB]

Jackson may not be playing college basketball ever again

Wrong again. Jesus Jon

 

[DWKB]

I don't get the whole "what happens in the tournaments doesn't matter" thought process. Those are games. Games with more pressure. They count MORE for smaller schools who have to win their tourney to get in but they shouldn't matter for bigger schools?!? BAH that's stupid.

Sorry Jackson got suspended. You lost in the first round of your conference tourney. No #1 seed for you Kansas. In fact, if you don't make your conference championship (really I think you should have to win it, but I understand taking the whole season into account - which also means shouldn't we not count zona's loss to gonzaga bc Trier was suspended? Why does it factor in for KU's loss and not an earlier season loss?) you shouldn't be a #1. No whining. Win and get the #1. Lose and don't. Pretty simple.

Kansas has the tota season of a #1 seed. You place too much weight on one thing IMO.

 

[carey]

Someone please explain how North Carolina deserves a #1 seed over us because I don't get it. The Cats just beat the 3rd and 5th ranked teams in the country on the way to a conference championship and they'll be rewarded with a #2 seed and having to play Kansas in the Elite 8 (if they make it that far?) I'm sure there's some logic behind it but I don't understand it.

 

[Chaplin]

Someone please explain how North Carolina deserves a #1 seed over us because I don't get it. The Cats just beat the 3rd and 5th ranked teams in the country on the way to a conference championship and they'll be rewarded with a #2 seed and having to play Kansas in the Elite 8 (if they make it that far?) I'm sure there's some logic behind it but I don't understand it.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with "deserves" in this case. We could be the #1 in the South region or #2 in the West region because we aren't going to force Gonzaga out of the #1 out West. ESPN is project Kansas to be in the Midwest bracket with Duke. To keep us out west, we have to be the #2.

 

[TJ]

Someone please explain how North Carolina deserves a #1 seed over us because I don't get it. The Cats just beat the 3rd and 5th ranked teams in the country on the way to a conference championship and they'll be rewarded with a #2 seed and having to play Kansas in the Elite 8 (if they make it that far?) I'm sure there's some logic behind it but I don't understand it.

If we get a 2 seed, it'll be in the West in Gonzaga's bracket.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kansas has the tota season of a #1 seed. You place too much weight on one thing IMO.

During the regular seasons team typically drops a few spots if they lose a game but come tournament time that rule of thumb seems to cease being applied. I have never understood that double standard. If anything a late season loss should be amplified over an early season loss as it's more indicative of where the team is now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If we get a 2 seed, it'll be in the West in Gonzaga's bracket.

It kinda has to be, doesn't it?

 

[DWKB]

During the regular seasons team typically drops a few spots if they lose a game but come tournament time that rule of thumb seems to cease being applied. I have never understood that double standard. If anything a late season loss should be amplified over an early season loss as it's more indicative of where the team is now.

KU did drop, from the overall #1 to the third or so #1.

Honestly I don't care what seed as long as KU plays in Tulsa and KC.

 

[TJ]

It kinda has to be, doesn't it?

Logically, it makes sense. But the more I think about it, the more I think ACC bias might kick in and start putting unmerited teams ahead of us. For example, 8-loss Duke is being discussed as a potential 1 seed. That's a bunch of dog sh*t, if you ask me. Name brand bias.

However, Arizona is #2 in RPI #21 in SOS. If the committee goes off of old school principles, we should be no worse than a #2 in the West.

 

[GatorAZ]

Someone please explain how North Carolina deserves a #1 seed over us because I don't get it. The Cats just beat the 3rd and 5th ranked teams in the country on the way to a conference championship and they'll be rewarded with a #2 seed and having to play Kansas in the Elite 8 (if they make it that far?) I'm sure there's some logic behind it but I don't understand it.

Quality wins. We don't have enough b/c of suspensions/injuries and the P12 being mostly awful. How embarasssing that we only get 3 teams in.

 

[DWKB]

Quality wins. We don't have enough b/c of suspensions/injuries and the P12 being mostly awful. How embarasssing that we only get 3 teams in.

Exactly, PAC12 has three really good teams and 9 crap teams.

My money is on AZ out west though with OR the 2 in KC.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Logically, it makes sense. But the more I think about it, the more I think ACC bias might kick in and start putting unmerited teams ahead of us. For example, 8-loss Duke is being discussed as a potential 1 seed. That's a bunch of dog sh*t, if you ask me. Name brand bias.

Agree... Duke as a 1 is laughable.

However, Arizona is #2 in RPI #21 in SOS. If the committee goes off of old school principles, we should be no worse than a #2 in the West.

it will be a crime if Zona doesn't get a #1 seed. They just beat TWO top 5 teams in back to back days, have played a tough schedule and have been floating around the top 6 all season.

All that said, can this finally be the season where Miller gets us into the Final Four? This should be no excuses this year.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Exactly, PAC12 has three really good teams and 9 crap teams.

My money is on AZ out west though with OR the 2 in KC.

That's the perception, I don't think it's reality though. When we lose on the road in the Pac, the perception is, our top teams must be weak. When we dominate on the road, the perception is we're top heavy and the middle is weak. We can't win this battle and the ACC never loses this perception battle and it happens almost every season.

I remember one season probably 15 years ago where a very good and highly ranked UCLA team lost at lowly OSU (maybe Oregon?) the same weekend that a highly ranked UNC team lost to a bottom dwelling NC State. This ESPN clown used that UCLA loss to call into question the overall strength of the league. He then talked about the UNC loss and waved it off because it's so hard to win on the road in that league.

I don't claim that the Pac is strong top to bottom but our middle tier is stronger than it's credited to be. For some reason, none of them were able to pull off the upsets when they had one of the big 3 on the ropes but there were a lot of very competitive battles.

Had Oregon, for example, lost a couple of those nail biters, maybe the perception would be altered slightly but in the end, they'd say the same thing. It's embarrassing when a pac school loses to a lesser foe on the road but it's a great win when a top ACC squad pulls out a road win against a scrub team.

And I think Oregon may still be the class of the league although the loss of Boucher hurts. UCLA will be a quick out if Ball isn't healthy and UA will go as far as Markkanen takes them although Trier will get much of the pub. But if Markkanen isn't a force from 3, somebody's zone will shut down everyone except for Allonzo and that will be it for the Wildcats. Of course, I'm counting on Lauri being a force but aside from the conference tourney, he's had a very bad month from the arc.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's the perception, I don't think it's reality though. When we lose on the road in the Pac, the perception is, our top teams must be weak. When we dominate on the road, the perception is we're top heavy and the middle is weak. We can't win this battle and the ACC never loses this perception battle and it happens almost every season.

I remember one season probably 15 years ago where a very good and highly ranked UCLA team lost at lowly OSU (maybe Oregon?) the same weekend that a highly ranked UNC team lost to a bottom dwelling NC State. This ESPN clown used that UCLA loss to call into question the overall strength of the league. He then talked about the UNC loss and waved it off because it's so hard to win on the road in that league.

I don't claim that the Pac is strong top to bottom but our middle tier is stronger than it's credited to be. For some reason, none of them were able to pull off the upsets when they had one of the big 3 on the ropes but there were a lot of very competitive battles.

Had Oregon, for example, lost a couple of those nail biters, maybe the perception would be altered slightly but in the end, they'd say the same thing. It's embarrassing when a pac school loses to a lesser foe on the road but it's a great win when a top ACC squad pulls out a road win against a scrub team.

And I think Oregon may still be the class of the league although the loss of Boucher hurts. UCLA will be a quick out if Ball isn't healthy and UA will go as far as Markkanen takes them although Trier will get much of the pub. But if Markkanen isn't a force from 3, somebody's zone will shut down everyone except for Allonzo and that will be it for the Wildcats. Of course, I'm counting on Lauri being a force but aside from the conference tourney, he's had a very bad month from the arc.

I like UCLA getting a Friday draw another day to rest Ball and Leaf. Ball's thumb is not broken, they were concerned it might be so with a weeks rest he should be ok, and Leaf can rest the ankle a week.

Cal probably was the 4th team until they blew that game against ASU, then with Bird's healthy unknown there was no way they were getting in and Utah and USC didn't do enough in the tourney. If UCLA had won the tourney, I think USC gets in, but since UCLA lost the next game after beating USC, the Trojans don't get in.

I think Oregon is a 2 with Boucher but fell to a 3 because he's out.

 

[Dback Jon]

Huh? It was just a one game suspension. Trust me, Self isn't keeping him out from any tournament games.

Probably not. If Self had any integrity, he'd never play again for Kansas

And if the NCAA had balls they'd DQ him

 

[Dback Jon]

Arizona has a good path to Glendale

 

[GatorAZ]

Don't know much about St Mary's other than 3/4 of their losses coming to Gonzaga. Archie and Sean will talk about VCU. If they get to San Jose and play FSU it will be a 80/20 crowd.

UCLA and Oregon have it pretty rough.

 

[TJ]

In the end, it appeared as if winning the PAC 12 Tournament was a must. In essence, UCLA and Oregon were punished by being 3 seeds in the two most challenging brackets. It really is hard to complain about our bracket. Two WCC teams, geographically friendly (every game should be 80%+ Arizona fans), and other teams that Arizona seemingly matches up well against.

Arizona needs to take care of its own business and it'll be fine.

 

[DWKB]

Probably not. If Self had any integrity, he'd never play again for Kansas

And if the NCAA had balls they'd DQ him

What?!? What for?