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In the end, it appeared as if winning the PAC 12 Tournament was a must. In essence, UCLA and Oregon were punished by being 3 seeds in the two most challenging brackets. It really is hard to complain about our bracket. Two WCC teams, geographically friendly (every game should be 80%+ Arizona fans), and other teams that Arizona seemingly matches up well against.

Arizona needs to take care of its own business and it'll be fine.


That was the general feeling on BRO if UCLA wins the conf tourney they will get a 2 in the West and that's the desired outcome. I think Oregon is more punished because of Boucher being hurt than losing to UA though, they'd likely still be a 2 if they had Boucher.

I think the UA fans are going to be happy too a quick look online says tickets for San Jose are slightly cheaper than Sacramento for better seats. I'm trying to get tickets to Fri/Sun in Sac through my girlfriends sister, their neighbor often gets great tix, but so far seems unlikely I'll be able to go. I have friends who bought tix to San Jose hoping UCLA would be there and are now probably going to try and sell them to Arizona fans so they can go to Sac instead.

I think the toughest matchups in the West for you are West Virginia due to style of play, and Notre Dame. I think it was the Cal game where they were pressing UA late in the game and it worked quite well, really seemed to bother Arizona. I don't think Trier played in that one and he's a better ballhandler than Simmons but that press from WVU could be an issue. ND is just so hard to guard they spread you out so much with their shooting.

But I agree UA has the "easier" draw but that's the benefit of winning the tourney.
 

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Took only 12 hours for Miller to be brought up for the Indiana job. Do we have to go through this every Spring?
 

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Took only 12 hours for Miller to be brought up for the Indiana job. Do we have to go through this every Spring?

Yeah, it used to happen pretty regularly with Lute too. And it's a favorite tactic of negative recruiting so it's something we'll just have to live with unfortunately.
 

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Indiana would be a lateral move. Don't get me wrong they're a "blue blood" caliber program and Arizona is not but they haven't done anything since Knight left. Not all blue bloods are the same.

I can't see him starting over somewhere that isn't a Duke/Kansas/Kentucky type job.
 
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Indiana would be a lateral move. Don't get me wrong they're a "blue blood" caliber program and Arizona is not but they haven't done anything since Knight left. Not all blue bloods are the same.

I can't see him starting over somewhere that isn't a Duke/Kansas/Kentucky type job.

If Indiana is a blue blood caliber, Arizona is as well.

It's this simple: Miller can leave for a reclamation project, or remain the king of a major conference.

I maintain that if Miller leaves, it's for an established team like UNC.
 
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Time to see what the Gaels are all about. They are computer darlings, despite not beating anyone better than Dayton all season.
 

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If Indiana is a blue blood caliber, Arizona is as well.

It's this simple: Miller can leave for a reclamation project, or remain the king of a major conference.

I maintain that if Miller leaves, it's for an established team like UNC.

And Indiana is going to go for an Indiana guy one way or the other. I can't see it being anyone other than Alford.
 

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And Indiana is going to go for an Indiana guy one way or the other. I can't see it being anyone other than Alford.

Alford is the perfect guy to have at UCLA from Arizona's perspective. He'll always have a solid squad but rarely have a team with a higher ceiling than AZ. If he takes the Indiana job have have no clue where UCLA would look.
 

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Don't bother. Cuonzo is hiring Porter's dad to be on his Missouri staff.
The NCAA really needs to do something about this. You know once Porter bolts to NBA he dad is going to be canned. His dad should have noticed how mediocre a coach Martin was at CAL as his teams despite having talents such as Rabb on the team went no where in the post season. plus MIZZOU isn't exactly known as a basketball powerhouse and not sure about rest of the recruiting class but coming off an 8 win season wouldn't exactly be appealing to me even if my dad was on the coaching staff, look at the Ben Simmons situation at LSU (granted it didn't hurt his draft stock). Too bad its a family situation as I would love to see Miller snatch Porter away from Cuonzo to make up for the Rabb recruitment.
 

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And Indiana is going to go for an Indiana guy one way or the other. I can't see it being anyone other than Alford.


It's not clear to me but we'll see. IU has had multiple chances to go after Alford before and never did. If the season at UCLA is what it took to convince them he's their guy that would surprise me, you generally don't judge a coach off his best year, or his worst year(last year).

Where I could see IU wanting Alford is the recruiting angle. They said today on Mike and Mike there have been 14 top 100 recruits from the state of Indiana in the last X years and only 1 of them, Blackmon, went to IU. Alford has Wilkes committed to UCLA and is recruiting Romeo Langford next year(he's not coming to UCLA). So if I'm IU I think if we hire Alford we're almost certainly getting Wilkes, and our odds of getting Langford go way up.
 

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The NCAA really needs to do something about this. You know once Porter bolts to NBA he dad is going to be canned. His dad should have noticed how mediocre a coach Martin was at CAL as his teams despite having talents such as Rabb on the team went no where in the post season. plus MIZZOU isn't exactly known as a basketball powerhouse and not sure about rest of the recruiting class but coming off an 8 win season wouldn't exactly be appealing to me even if my dad was on the coaching staff, look at the Ben Simmons situation at LSU (granted it didn't hurt his draft stock). Too bad its a family situation as I would love to see Miller snatch Porter away from Cuonzo to make up for the Rabb recruitment.


Why would the NCAA get involved? You do realize Porter Sr was actually working at Missouri as a coach on the Womens team before Romar hired him? His daughter played at Missouri. Then Romar hired him to get the sons, then when it became apparent Romar was on the way out, Missouri got him back and hired him back, to the mens team.

the NCAA rule on this is fine with me, you can hire someone's dad or uncle etc but he has to be a full assistant, so you can't make up some administrative position to do it.

The NCAA has much bigger fish to fry, they have to figure out the whole situation with the one and done and quite frankly IMO the bigger issue is the academic fraud nonsense that goes on with UNC being the poster child for it. What's really worse hiring a parent to get a recruit, or continuing to let kids pretend to be students for 8 months, many of whom have been pretending to be students for 4 years in HS too, with homeschooling and prepschools that just pass them on.

At some point the NCAA has to figure is this still student athletes or not and if not, drop the facade. That was my biggest takeaway from the Ben Simmons movie, if he had any interest at all in staying eligible he would have been able to with no effort at all.
 

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It's not clear to me but we'll see. IU has had multiple chances to go after Alford before and never did. If the season at UCLA is what it took to convince them he's their guy that would surprise me, you generally don't judge a coach off his best year, or his worst year(last year).

Where I could see IU wanting Alford is the recruiting angle. They said today on Mike and Mike there have been 14 top 100 recruits from the state of Indiana in the last X years and only 1 of them, Blackmon, went to IU. Alford has Wilkes committed to UCLA and is recruiting Romeo Langford next year(he's not coming to UCLA). So if I'm IU I think if we hire Alford we're almost certainly getting Wilkes, and our odds of getting Langford go way up.

I'll admit, my opinion on this was shaped considerably by listening to Dakich and Seth Greenberg early this morning. Dakich is convinced it's happening and that it shows Indiana is finally willing to listen to its fans and boosters. They want a lot in their new coach but mostly they want an Indiana man back in town so they don't keep losing all their top recruits, Alford checks all the boxes for them.

They also mentioned it lets Alford get away from the father although I think that's a minor factor. The fact he felt he had to give away a year of his contract so they wouldn't fire him is supposedly an additional motivator for him to abandon UCLA.

I suspect, if he goes, it will also be to avoid paying the price of having committed to the little Balls just to lock up Lonzo.
 

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I'll admit, my opinion on this was shaped considerably by listening to Dakich and Seth Greenberg early this morning. Dakich is convinced it's happening and that it shows Indiana is finally willing to listen to its fans and boosters. They want a lot in their new coach but mostly they want an Indiana man back in town so they don't keep losing all their top recruits, Alford checks all the boxes for them.

They also mentioned it lets Alford get away from the father although I think that's a minor factor. The fact he felt he had to give away a year of his contract so they wouldn't fire him is supposedly an additional motivator for him to abandon UCLA.

I suspect, if he goes, it will also be to avoid paying the price of having committed to the little Balls just to lock up Lonzo.


Dakich and Alford are friends, Steve is on his show all the time so it doesn't surprise me Dan is hyping Steve for the job.

I don't think Lavar Ball is a huge issue, it comes up all the time on BRO for example, I can't think of a single person who doesn't think if it becomes an issue you simply tell Lavar take the other kids somewhere else then.

The year of the contract thing is misunderstood, UCLA gave him a choice, he could agree to make changes to his staff, or he could give back the extension, he chose to keep his staff intact and gave back the extension. UCLA just presented it as he chose to give it back to appease the fans. Tracy Pierson on BRO had reported the whole thing over a week before it happened, said there had been a meeting and that was discussed, either change the staff, or give back the extension. It wasn't to save HIS job, it was to save assistants. My guess is UCLA wanted Broussard out since he's basically an administrator, I think Schilling and Grace are generally accepted but nobody has any idea what Broussard even does. Most of us want Edney as that 3rd assistant.

I'm not a huge alford fan, i think he was done dirty the last year the banner stuff was ridiculous. I also think if Alford leaves on his own it's going to be very eye opening for those banner flying fans when the coaches they think will want the job aren't interested. If you go from flying banners to 29-4 and then the coach leaves on his own, it's hard to convince the guys you're targeting that they won't have similar issues with the fanbase. I get blasted on BRO regularly for that take but that is my opinion. I don't think UCLA fans are horrible, but I think they treated Alford horribly and are going to be surprised of the impact of their behavior if we have to replace him because he left on his own.

They're already talking about elite guys to replace Alford, some of them are realistic but the vast majority don't seem to believe at all that what they did last offseason will impact the coaching search this offseason if Alford leaves.

I actually hope I'm wrong because if I'm right we're getting someone like Earl Watson as the next coach.
 

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I hear you Russ but given how close Steve and Dakich are, I suspect he's right that Alford feels he had to do it to keep his job. Maybe that's just him reading between the lines but more likely, IMO, it's Alford reading between the lines and a tea leaf or two.

I get why you don't like him, I think the man is undeniably shady. But I don't agree with the idea held by some fans here that Arizona wants Alford to stay.

I think he could build the dominant program there right now. His current style is fun to play and should have widespread appeal to the NBA hopefuls. Plus, it offers a clear alternative to the far more structured game in Tucson not to mention the other top programs in the conference. Also, it looks to have already won over tinsel-town in a way we never saw during the Howland years.

So personally, as a Wildcat fan, I hope he takes the job. Dana Altman is more than enough competition for the Cats AFAIC. As for getting an Earl Watson type? From some of the comments he's made in the past month, I wouldn't be shocked if you got a chance at the legend, Earl Watson himself, if Alford leaves. I hope not. The Suns need stability more than they need a new head coach right now.
 

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I hear you Russ but given how close Steve and Dakich are, I suspect he's right that Alford feels he had to do it to keep his job. Maybe that's just him reading between the lines but more likely, IMO, it's Alford reading between the lines and a tea leaf or two.

I get why you don't like him, I think the man is undeniably shady. But I don't agree with the idea held by some fans here that Arizona wants Alford to stay.

I think he could build the dominant program there right now. His current style is fun to play and should have widespread appeal to the NBA hopefuls. Plus, it offers a clear alternative to the far more structured game in Tucson not to mention the other top programs in the conference. Also, it looks to have already won over tinsel-town in a way we never saw during the Howland years.

So personally, as a Wildcat fan, I hope he takes the job. Dana Altman is more than enough competition for the Cats AFAIC. As for getting an Earl Watson type? From some of the comments he's made in the past month, I wouldn't be shocked if you got a chance at the legend, Earl Watson himself, if Alford leaves. I hope not. The Suns need stability more than they need a new head coach right now.


I don't dislike Alford I'm just not convinced he's a good enough coach to be worth the predictable issues of hiring him(Pierre Pierce). I think he's got UCLA in a good flight path right now but that can easily get derailed too. I don't think he's a bad coach but I don't think he's great and I think he should replace Broussard on his staff, I think Edney would recruit much better, right now Grace is the only recruiter on the staff.

I agree about style of play, part of why UCLA was mediocre in year 2 and awful last year is Alford wanted to play fast for recruits but didn't have the personnel to do it. He was trying to play fast with Parker in his lineup and it was a disaster.

The reason I say Watson is it's widely believed in UCLA circles Earl wants the UCLA job. UCLA signed with Under Armour, the top Under Armour AAU program on the West Coast is Earl Watson Elite, and there's this general idea that if he shows enough in his time with the Suns, UCLA might want to hire an alum and go for him. I think it would be a mistake, but it won't surprise me at all if they do that.

I think if Sean Miller left UA they'd probably replace him with Archie and be just fine, UCLA doesn't have the same obvious succession situation.
 

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... Still only one team in the entire tournament to break 100 points... :)


UNC needs 19 in the last 9 minutes but they probably won't get there up 36 they probably call off the dogs.
 
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I don't dislike Alford I'm just not convinced he's a good enough coach to be worth the predictable issues of hiring him(Pierre Pierce). I think he's got UCLA in a good flight path right now but that can easily get derailed too. I don't think he's a bad coach but I don't think he's great and I think he should replace Broussard on his staff, I think Edney would recruit much better, right now Grace is the only recruiter on the staff.

I agree about style of play, part of why UCLA was mediocre in year 2 and awful last year is Alford wanted to play fast for recruits but didn't have the personnel to do it. He was trying to play fast with Parker in his lineup and it was a disaster.

The reason I say Watson is it's widely believed in UCLA circles Earl wants the UCLA job. UCLA signed with Under Armour, the top Under Armour AAU program on the West Coast is Earl Watson Elite, and there's this general idea that if he shows enough in his time with the Suns, UCLA might want to hire an alum and go for him. I think it would be a mistake, but it won't surprise me at all if they do that.

I think if Sean Miller left UA they'd probably replace him with Archie and be just fine, UCLA doesn't have the same obvious succession situation.

Here's how I would feel about Earl Watson going to UCLA:


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Looks like it will be Miller against his old team, if we take care of business vs St. Mary's

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Looks like it will be Miller against his old team, if we take care of business vs St. Mary's

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Doesn't look so good right now. They can't get a good look. My biggest gripe with Miller - seemingly no offensive x and o
 
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Doesn't look so good right now. They can't get a good look. My biggest gripe with Miller - seemingly no offensive x and o

If was ugly but this game was never going to be a rout one way or another. To go from playing a sprint up the court team to a team that lulls you to sleep is a hell of an adjustment over two days.
 

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Saint Mary's isn't a cupcake team either. They're not upper-tier, but they are definitely dangerous, and they proved that tonight.
 
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