SuperSpck said:Shark
- the LT, if you spoke to him, you spoke to god, it was either because you'd done great, or messed up bad.
Shane H said:I would say true in most cases. But Green has been given the power with personel and coaching that almost no other coach has ever been given.
Cbus cardsfan said:Didn't the game also pass by Scottenheimer in SD a couple of years ago? The reason everyone blasts Walter is it's been the same thing every week and he tries to spin evrything to try and support his dislike of Green. Green's coordinators were the reason for his success in Minny but now he doesn't know what he's doing,according to Walter, when hiring coordinators. BTW, Billick has done wonders with that Raven offense and may be fired. Dungy was fired and the next year the team wins the Super Bowl.It had to be his fault.
Russ Smith said:I know the point you were making I'd just like to point out Tampa won the Super Bowl because of the defense Gruden inherited from Dungy not the offense Gruden built there. That has been proven ten fold since that season as Gruden is unable to turn that team around while Dungy now has an 8-0 team with the Colts. Dungy learned from his mistakes in Tampa, offense was too conservative, now it's not he's turned it over to Tom Moore.
My problem with Green and I too say it over and over, it's 24 games into his regime and while there's more talent here, he hasn't even begun to solve the basic problems he inherited that HE himself said were his priority, fixing the OL so we could run the ball. The stopping the run problem is entirely a function of the type of defensive player we have, small and fast. Tampa has found a way to make it work but it's not easy and you'll notice they don't play the slant technique which is a staple of Green's defense. To my knowledge Clancy didn't invent that, it's the defense he was hired to run.
I agree with Green, Clancy is depending too much on schemes, but I suspect it's because he feels with the current personnel(especially with all the injuries) that he can't just line up and play anybody man on man or he'll get mauled.
I'd almost give Green a pass this year due to all the mounting injuries, but even relatively healthy this team was a mess this year. Can anybody cite a single instance this year where this coaching staff made some change, personnel, scheme, strategy, anything, that fixed a problem within a game? We're terrible at gameday coaching, we can't manage the clock, we beat ourselves with penalties, and once teams adjust to what we want to do, the game is over. That's got to change, and if the problem isn't Green, then it's his assistants so THEY have to change.
I guess it'll sound bad but I'm not overly worried because at this point we're getting very close to what my fear scenario was when Green was hired, and my statement then was at least when Green is fired, he'll leave more talent on the roster for the next coach. if things keep going South, that day may come sooner than even I expected.
conraddobler said:I'm getting old and would like to see one.
He can build a team that wins and sells tickets though but at this point you need to take a couple keys to the Kingdom back from him or get rid of him. He needs to have the old Sheriff come back and tell him what's what on at least a couple things.
Russ Smith said:I'll be 40 in a few weeks myself and yeah I'd like to see more than 1 playoff win in my lifetime so I agree. It's not Greens' fault for the past of this franchise but if it's fair for him to bring up the Vikings 1998 season as proof of his expertise then it's fair for me to use the Cards losing legacy against him.
He was given a lot more rope to hang himself than most Cardinal coaches get, Joe is right he wasn't given the money(excess caproom, cheap assistants) but as Walt has said before he had months to hire his OL coach and he hand picked Wylie, and then fires him a couple of months later. That tells you he did a bad job of interviewing if Wylie was so bad that he had to fire him that fast. Remember when I was complaining about the hiring of hargrave and people said so what he's not going to hurt anything, but it's an example of spending money where Green wanted to spend it instead of where it might have helped the team (get a better OC or better OL coach etc).
I'd be find with Green as GM if he hires a real coach but I have this fear he'd find some guy that has little experience and is basically a puppet instead of hiring a real qualified coach.
gamebird98 said:"You got a winner in town" ......deja-vous all over again.
Cbus cardsfan said:Hey, if the White Sox proved anything, it was worth the wait. As for the puppet scenario, that's what's going on here in Columbus with the hockey team.The GM,Doug Maclean, has been given a free run and will only hire coaches who are "yes" men and won't stand up to him.That would be a horrible situation for the Cards.I hope the Bidwill's would never let that happen
Crazy Canuck said:BIM: deja-vu
Russ Smith said:It really depends. Given our financial state what we really need is a Billy Beane type GM, a guy who can find talent, know when to keep it, when to let it go, and field a competitive team year after year for less money.
TheCardFan said:I think your talking about Walt Jockety!
Shane H said:People are just upset at Mitch because he hasn't liked Green from the beginning and has always voiced it loudly without fear of backlash.
Now that he seems to be the one who is right they get their panties in a bunch.
Shane H said:Whoa there john. is it Clancy that cant stop the run? Or is it Clancy being handcuffed with poor personnel due to Green making bad personnel moves?
CardinalChris said:While I can agree a bunch of moves on offense have backfired on Green, what has he done to the defense personnel wise? Nothing too bad that I can think of. There simply isn't the talent there yet to dominate because key positions are lacking, particularly DT, LB, and CB.