AYTON TRADED!

[Dan H]

Man… Armen Gilliam was so the PF version of Ayton. Emptiest stat stuffer ever.

Joe Barely Cares 2.0 and 3.0.

 

[Sparky16]

Little is basically Okogie with a jump shot. Allen is a dirty player but I think he’ll be perfect in his role here. We will definitely be hated. Wow.

I hope Allen sticks, he has 3 pt range and does the dirty work on D.... D Lee and Wainright are roster lint and can be flushed

 

[Proximo]

If Devin Booker didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

If Kevin Durant didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

If Frank Vogel didn't want this to be - this wouldn't be

Truth is DeAndre Ayton can't be depended on - and everyone mentioned above needs players they can depend on if we're going to win a championship

We needed to dump him and his salary - I'm not going over his issues anymore - you're welcome - he's gone and it's thankfully time to move on

But if there's 5 minutes left in a close and important game I'll take Nurkic > Ayton 10 times out of 10 - because this isn't 3 years ago - and it looks like our superstars - coaching staff - management and owner agree with me

We got good value

Yeah, I don't think that's true

I think if anyone of those 3 guys was adamant he go, that is all it would take. It would not require all 3 to feel that way.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You could be right of course, but I'm just not sold on that. They were very clearly shopping him early in the offseason and very willing to take offers. To me you do not do that publicly unless you are quite sold on the idea of trading him.

That could certainly be the comment that moved it from preferring to trade him to feeling like they absolutely had to, but who knows.

I do think they were exploring trade options early on. But not that they necessarily did it publicly. That stuff gets leaked all the time by agents, it's not like we were seeing real reports just rumors here and there. Anyway, IMO they didn't like the return value they were seeing and decided to give Vogel a chance with Ayton. But when DA took a shot at his Suns teammates, Booker and KD voted to revisit trade options.

 

[Sparky16]

Joe Barely Cares 2.0 and 3.0.

James Edwards 2.0 soft, sorry rebounder who likes to shoot `15 ft jumpers and not draw fouls

 

[Proximo]

I hope Allen sticks, he has 3 pt range and does the dirty work on D.... D Lee and Wainright are roster lint and can be flushed

I think upon further analysis Keon Johnson and Wainright are the likely 2 to go. They might try to convert Johnson to our last 2 way spot.

 

[Sparky16]

WTF, I hate it, Ayton for nothing that moves the needle.

Players did not like/trust him. Dude was a check casher - he will fail in PDX also

 

[Cheesebeef]

You consider Middleton a "big"? I would consider him a big just like I'd consider KD a big.

Lopez, Crazy Eyes and Giannis are their front 3. That's a HUGE front line. And Middleton is a BIG 2.

edit: Didn't see ouchie's borg before me.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, I don't think that's true

I think if anyone of those 3 guys was adamant he go, that is all it would take. It would not require all 3 to feel that way.

Yeah, his future in Phoenix was already hanging by a thread. It wouldn't take much to push the front office into a trade. I highly doubt there was any one voice that was strongly in favor of keeping DA.

 

[PHI PHX PHAN]

Yeah DA is gifted, there's a reason he went first in a draft class that was expected to be one of the greatest ever. And we've seen glimpses of greatness from him but he's never sustained it. His longest run of strong play was the run up to the finals and his worst play has probably been everything since then. I'd have kept him, he had so much potential and is a likable person, but I'm not broken hearted he's gone. Just that he's gone for so little.

I agree. I remember the Shaq and Kobe 2.0 talk.
I still believe that he had an uncommon course to navigate at a very early juncture in his career and that played a huge role in how we land here today.
Being the number 1 overall pick for a perennial lottery team and thinking you're gonna formulate a dynamic duo over time then 2 years later it's championship expectations while being relegated to a 3rd wheel probably damaged his ego/psyche.
Wish it would've worked out but I want a chip more than anything.
Now I'll just entertain myself with wondering how things would be today if we had picked Luka instead.

 

[Yuma]

6. To answer this - no it changed nothing cap wise at all, we took back the same amount in salary. It's possible we could trade a couple of these guys away for picks I suppose - but actually probably not there is extremely little open cap space available to do so.

If you trade/cut guys we got in return it should lower our cap number. Right this minute it is the same. We are over the 15 man limit so someone(s) will be moved one way or another.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did I not see the pic clearly? I thought they showed Giannis, Lopez and crazy eyes as their staring frontcourt with middleton in the backcourt with dame.

BORG-JESUS! We both can't even remember the same players name correctly!

Seriously, this borg thing scares me sometimes.

 

[BirdGangThing]

idc if Nurkic averages 6 pts a game - if he can play some defense - average 10 boards a game and not hide behind it - it's a win - because we don't need him to score or shoot free throws

Infact that's the only thing I'll miss about Ayton

Dude could knock down some free throws

 

[Cheesebeef]

I can only assume that they have been 100% dedicated to trading Ayton all summer, but were just waiting it out and hoping a better offer came along and it didn't.

same.

 

[Raindog]

James Edwards 2.0 soft, sorry rebounder who likes to shoot `15 ft jumpers and not draw fouls

Actually, it's very interesting that you guys mention both JB Carroll and James Edwards. Both of those guys are exactly who Ayton has brought to my mind for quite a while now. Both were noted for being "soft" big men who tended to aggravate their coaches.

The difference between them being that Carroll was considered lazy and indifferent, and certainly a bigger bust as a highly sought number one draft pick. Edwards on the other hand was a lower draft pick who did turn into a very effective stretch big man and valuable bench player during his career... not so much of an underachiever as Carroll, but just very non-physical for his size.

It will be interesting to see which (if either) Ayton's career path follows in the future.

 

[GatorAZ]

I can only assume that they have been 100% dedicated to trading Ayton all summer, but were just waiting it out and hoping a better offer came along and it didn't.

Idk this is probably better than Tim Hardaway and Davis Bertans…

 

[BirdGangThing]

Yeah, I don't think that's true

I think if anyone of those 3 guys was adamant he go, that is all it would take. It would not require all 3 to feel that way.

Anyone of those guys could've saved Ayton

I think it's captain obvious Book and KD both wanted him gone - and I think it's captain obvious Vogel has seen footage of Ayton's playoff mindset these past couple years

 

[Sparky16]

Nurkic is just a guy, Gambo is out to lunch when he claims the dude is a impactful defender.

The filler of the trade is about as filler as it gets. Allen is a poor man’s Pat Bev.

Little better develop into a stud.

Gross.

Nurkic is a better rebounder not even close - DA never went after rebounds - he only got the ones that came at him

 

[SECTION 11]

Ayton does not take the bus.

 

[Germz249]

There is a chance another move could be made.. its going to take some doing but be on the look out for another Suns move.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is a chance another move could be made.. its going to take some doing but be on the look out for another Suns move.

oooohhhhh.... dropping Germz!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Idk this is probably better than Tim Hardaway and Davis Bertans…

I mean we may not know every deal that was offered. That being said I mean better than this specific offer.

Though on paper this trade makes sense for a team that's contending. You get a center that is more than good enough to start on this roster and you get a couple okay role players for a center that you can't fully rely on and a rookie that probably wasn't going to play at all this year.

 

[CardsFan88]

Oh I know. For as much as an Ayton fan I was, I never could rebuttal when these flaws were brought up. It was extremely frustrating because I believe he is very talented and those simple things took so much away from his game.

He is indeed more talented. But I believe Nurkic is a much better fit. When one of our stars needs to feed a guy down low, Nurkic will do the correct thing with it, immediately. The offense will flow. Unlike with Ayton.

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[Dr. Jones]

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[AzCardsfan76]

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One of many moments.... So frustrating to watch all that talent be overshadowed by lack of motivation, heart, hustle, and low basketball IQ.

We saw so many flashes of pure raw talent and physical prowess but unfortunately those flashes turned into a flicker...