backup PG next year

[Gaddabout]

Frankly I think Majerle is among the most overrated players in Suns history. He played with great fire his first two or three years, but once he fell in love with the three-point line, he just wasn't that dynamic a player.

That was also around the time he started playing with a bulging disc, which weakened his left leg. He was a decent enough athlete when he came in, but the Thunder dissipated after about two years. When he and Ty Corbin were young, the Suns corraled every loose ball.

 

[Nash]

I've watched quite a bit of Rondo - both in his Frosh and Soph years. The guy was very mature for a freshman and did damn well at the point. He manned the point all the way to the Elite eight (?) in the Dance that year.

Very shrewd player. awesome athlete - just 6"1 or 6"2 but can dunk with ease. Can take over a game if he puts his mind to it, at any point ; given his ability to drive to the hoop. Thanks to Tubby, he wasn't given the freedom to make his own decisions and was forced to play half court.

I have been critical of him all year long saying he was overrated by the NBA scouts and certainly isn't a top 10 pick. I still maintain that but he has great potential.
Esp. after watching the Suns' playoff woes, I've become very convinced that he would be the best choice for us by far. Marcus Williams may go in the top 10 but he isn't a good fit for the Suns. He's not athletic, isn't quick - basically a half court player (with serious discipline problems).

Rajon can spell Nash and be effective enough in running the point. Whatever he lacks in the form of mid range shooting, he can make up for with his solid defense and athleticism. He has freakishly long hands - esp palms for a guy his height.

He has it in him to be our future, once Nash is done.

 

[Chaplin]

Interesting how Rondo is being pimped so much on this board, but from what all I've heard on various sites, he won't even be available at #21. Some have started saying he is comparable with Marcus Williams as the best point guard in the draft.

 

[Gaddabout]

Interesting how Rondo is being pimped so much on this board, but from what all I've heard on various sites, he won't even be available at #21. Some have started saying he is comparable with Marcus Williams as the best point guard in the draft.

It depends which source you listen to. You could probably take a list of names from 11 to 25 and jumble them up and have a better chance of figuring out where some of these players are going to fall. No one's really standing out in the crowd right now.

 

[Nash]

It depends which source you listen to. You could probably take a list of names from 11 to 25 and jumble them up and have a better chance of figuring out where some of these players are going to fall. No one's really standing out in the crowd right now.

I am typing messages purely based on my opinion of the players, based on what I've seen of them during the college season. Rondo will be ideal in our system , si what I feel. I agreed in my post that Rondo is being hyped too much and hence his higher draft projections. I don't know how effective he will be in other teams, when he doesn't have a good shooting style.

Yeah, I agree 11-30 is very random. yu can't prdict anything. Last year, Jason Maxiell - a PF from my school (Cinci) was projected as a late 2nd round pick throughout, till draft day. He avgd 15.5 pts and around 9 RBs a game as a Sr. but was undersized, at 6"7. Draft day comes and he was picked up by the Pistons at No.26 for his feisty nature and tremendous work ethic.

Diogu got hyped before the draft and went at 9 , which I think was way too high for him. So you never know what will happen. Heck, Ginobili was No.57! That says it all.

 

[scoutmasterdave]

So you never know what will happen. Heck, Ginobili was No.57! That says it all.

International players are different, especially those that stay overseas for a year or two like Ginobili did. Teams don't have nearly as much game film on those players. Obviously, Ginobili at 57 was still a great, great draft pick, but there is a reason why you rarely see an American college player blow up in the NBA after being drafted at the end of the second round. Gilbert Arenas (early second round), Ben Wallace (undrafted), and Raja Bell (undrafted) are exceptions, but the latter two didn't blossom until 5 years into their careers.

 

[Goldfield]

Jay Williams makes alot of sence. He would get solid min's here and our system would do him well... Seems like a win/win...

 

[Joe Mama]

Every time I read/hear that Rondo can't shoot I have trouble imagining him in the Phoenix Suns system. I know other players have learned to shoot adequately, but that's usually a different type of player. That is usually someone who is standing on the perimeter waiting for someone else to create offense for them. For example Boris shoots a nice percentage from outside now, but he only takes wide open outside shots. I suppose if Rondo is as good as people say going to the basket opponents will have to give him that much room to shoot.

I know our guy who has done countless Kentucky games this year really does not like Rondo. In fact I think he's his least favorite player. I know I've watched a couple Kentucky games myself, but to be honest nothing sticks out in my mind. I don't even remember what he looks like.

Joe

 

[panfolk]

I know our guy who has done countless Kentucky games this year really does not like Rondo. In fact I think he's his least favorite player. I know I've watched a couple Kentucky games myself, but to be honest nothing sticks out in my mind. I don't even remember what he looks like.

Serious question: could you imagine Tony Parker being a success in the Suns system. I'm not saying there's parity I'm just saying Parker took awhile to grow into his shot and even now its not automatic.

 

[Nash]

Every time I read/hear that Rondo can't shoot I have trouble imagining him in the Phoenix Suns system. I know other players have learned to shoot adequately, but that's usually a different type of player. That is usually someone who is standing on the perimeter waiting for someone else to create offense for them. For example Boris shoots a nice percentage from outside now, but he only takes wide open outside shots. I suppose if Rondo is as good as people say going to the basket opponents will have to give him that much room to shoot.

I know our guy who has done countless Kentucky games this year really does not like Rondo. In fact I think he's his least favorite player. I know I've watched a couple Kentucky games myself, but to be honest nothing sticks out in my mind. I don't even remember what he looks like.

Joe

Who do you mean by 'our guy'? A Suns insider or ...?
You must've watched Rondo play in his Soph yr when the team sucked. He was impressive in his freshman yr when he had a good supporting cast in Azebukie and Chuck Hayes.

I don't know anything about Jay. What kind of a player is he.. strengths etc..

 

[Errntknght]

I believe Joe Mama works for a company that breaks down basketball game tapes into categorized snippets of video for teams (and others) to use. I assumed 'our guy' refers to someone in the company that breaks down college game tapes. IIRC Grahamcrackr works there, too - and recruited Joe Mama.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Every time I read/hear that Rondo can't shoot I have trouble imagining him in the Phoenix Suns system. I know other players have learned to shoot adequately, but that's usually a different type of player. That is usually someone who is standing on the perimeter waiting for someone else to create offense for them. For example Boris shoots a nice percentage from outside now, but he only takes wide open outside shots. I suppose if Rondo is as good as people say going to the basket opponents will have to give him that much room to shoot.

I know our guy who has done countless Kentucky games this year really does not like Rondo. In fact I think he's his least favorite player. I know I've watched a couple Kentucky games myself, but to be honest nothing sticks out in my mind. I don't even remember what he looks like.

Joe

I haven't seen your opinion on who the Suns should go with...any thoughts? To me, it seems extremely unlikely that we will have 2 first round picks at the end of the day...Do we trade up or away? Who might we target? That's what seems to make this offseason so unpredictable, especially with our recent history..

 

[Evil Ash]

I haven't seen your opinion on who the Suns should go with...any thoughts? To me, it seems extremely unlikely that we will have 2 first round picks at the end of the day...Do we trade up or away? Who might we target? That's what seems to make this offseason so unpredictable, especially with our recent history..

If we go with what many fans believe is the weakness of the Suns (i.e. Big man and backup PG), they could draft someone like Sene and have him stay another year in Europe and develop there. So only 1 first rounder would effect the Suns bottom line this next year.

Just an idea

 

[Folster]

Would Jones and a pick for Duhon fly?

 

[Joe Mama]

Who do you mean by 'our guy'? A Suns insider or ...?
You must've watched Rondo play in his Soph yr when the team sucked. He was impressive in his freshman yr when he had a good supporting cast in Azebukie and Chuck Hayes.

I don't know anything about Jay. What kind of a player is he.. strengths etc..

along with Grahamcrackr, I work for Synergy Sports Technology. We provide video and statistical scouting for the NBA teams. There's a sticky thread at the top of the board about the free fan web site through the playoffs.

http://www.mysynergysports.com

One of the services we provide the teams is college scouting. We recorded and the logged right around 800 college basketball games this season. After someone creates a clip for each possession of the game (phase 1) we have someone else analyze the clips. The college logging is not nearly as detailed as the NBA logging.

Of those 800 college games that were done I would say roughly 650 of them were done by the same person. As you can imagine he's seen almost every player in the country play a lot. Keep in mind that we are not doing every single college game. We did nearly every televised game for the major programs though.

From time to time I talked to this guy about who he likes, and he absolutely detests Rondo. I have to talk to him today, so I'll see if I can get him to come here and explain why he dislikes him so much.

I haven't seen your opinion on who the Suns should go with...any thoughts? To me, it seems extremely unlikely that we will have 2 first round picks at the end of the day...Do we trade up or away? Who might we target? That's what seems to make this offseason so unpredictable, especially with our recent history..

believe it or not I actually watched far less basketball this season than I had in previous years. I set up the recordings and encodings and scheduled most of the logging for those college games, but I honestly didn't watch much myself.

I like a couple of the Connecticut guys, but I do have to admit that I wonder sometimes whether they would look better or worse on a less talented team. That said, I can't stand Rudy Gay. The guy has great talent, but his attitude sucks.

One of these days before the draft I'll take a couple hours and just look at video, so I can actually form an opinion. Oh yeah, I love Brandon Roy.

Joe

 

[nowagimp]

Would Jones and a pick for Duhon fly?

It might, but I remember recently hearing that Duhon just came out of off season knee surgery. That might change make his potential contribution more uncertain.

 

[F-Dog]

I'd happily take Duhon if he's available for JR and a pick, but no thank you to Rondo. The guy can't even shoot FTs, and if you can't shoot, you can't play for D'Antoni.

I hated the idea of Nate Robinson last year, and I think Nate is more talented and a better fit for the Suns than Rondo is.


Jay Williams is going to go to a team that can afford to take chances with their money and PT, not to an established contender or a team that's straining against the limits of its budget.


I will tell you (without seeing him) that Saer has a 95% chance to be a bust for the team that drafts him. There's another guy like Sene in the draft every year or two, and he always winds up going in the late first/early second, depending on how weak the rest of the draft is.

The Suns already had one of them: Soumalia Samake, who was drafted #36 overall in 2000. They eventually stole Jake Voskuhl from the Bulls for Samake and a future 2nd...that was the beginning of the end for Jerry Krause in Chi-town.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've always wondered why people were so low on KJ's defense and so high on Marjele's.

Because KJ never played good defense consistently. He seemed to be able to step up for a big player or game, but he didn't do it all the time.

Majerle left it all on the floor every game. He also had a knack for coming up with a key steal, or block.