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Which describes the Saints.There's a middle ground.
Which describes the Saints.There's a middle ground.
Or the Packers!Which describes the Saints.
their approach is interestingJust glad Monti didn’t strive to be what the Saints are & have been since 2021.
they are tied for first in the NFC South -- the division where you are never really out of it
Except not a single player not coach thinks it is ok to be a loser. The statement was and has been that the front office has constructed a roster that screams it is okay to lose.I'd love for you to look James Conner in the eye and tell him that to his face.
Here’s a sampling of some people who noticed Palmer’s time in AZ.I don't think Carson Palmer's 60 games as an Arizona Cardinal much changes how anyone outside Arizona remembers his career. Especially when he essentially speed-ran his time with Cincy.
PFR's Career Similarities metric matches him with Drew Bledsoe, which hits right.
Do you recognize that someone can put 100% effort and still lose? Because you are presenting like it is an either/or scenario.Well I 100% disagree with your statement that "It's Okay to be a Loser". That makes is sound like it's OK to go out and not put 100% effort out on the field.
And yes the Browns game was a crap fest. They got beat plain and simple.
Yes, but if your mindset is "It's okay to be a loser" then chances are you are not going to go out and give 100% effort.Do you recognize that someone can put 100% effort and still lose? Because you are presenting like it is an either/or scenario.
I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading my post or just grasping at super-old, contemporary writeups. No one forgot about Carson Palmer during his time here, and he had a legit MVP-caliber season. But, as I said, it was a speedrun of his time as a Bengal -- very productive regular seasons with unfortunate injury timing that prevented the kind of success that will create a remembered legacy.Here’s a sampling of some people who noticed Palmer’s time in AZ.
Your claim is that the 60 or so games he was here had little impact on how people viewed his career. I think Harry and others disagree with that position. I think a lot of people viewed Carson in a different light after his time with the Cards.I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading my post or just grasping at super-old, contemporary writeups. No one forgot about Carson Palmer during his time here, and he had a legit MVP-caliber season. But, as I said, it was a speedrun of his time as a Bengal -- very productive regular seasons with unfortunate injury timing that prevented the kind of success that will create a remembered legacy.
I believe the biggest contention was the fact he skipped the line over much more deserving Cards. (Boldin/Dockett, etc)That's fine, but most everyone here thought that Carson Palmer's inclusion in the Cards' Ring of Honor was a head-scratcher because his time here was so short and without much accomplishment. He was still a very good player, tho.
When you, as a GM who is putting the team together, puts together a roster that is deemed one of the worst in the NFL, your mindset is that winning games that year is not your top priority.Yes, but if your mindset is "It's okay to be a loser" then chances are you are not going to go out and give 100% effort.
Your claim is that the 60 or so games he was here had little impact on how people viewed his career. I think Harry and others disagree with that position. I think a lot of people viewed Carson in a different light after his time with the Cards.
I believe the biggest contention was the fact he skipped the line over much more deserving Cards. (Boldin/Dockett, etc)
Carson Hilton Palmer (born December 27, 1979) is an American former football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 15 seasons, primarily with the Cincinnati Bengals and Arizona Cardinals. He played college football at USC, winning the Heisman Trophy as a senior.
Nothing spices up a cold news cycle like a hot take. And Carson Palmer has a scorcher.
Palmer, former quarterback of the Bengals, Raiders, and Cardinals, believes that the current Cincy starter is better than the NFL’s present standard bearer at the position, Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes.
The closest comp would probably be former Bengals, Raiders and Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer. Both guys have all the desired traits: size, arm strength, mobility and accuracy. Palmer arrived in the NFL in 2003 with cleaner/crisper footwork, while Maye is a better overall athlete. I had the chance to see a lot of Palmer while working for the Ravens for much of his time with the Bengals. He was exceptionally talented and put together a very impressive 14-year career, earning three trips to the Pro Bowl.
There is just zero argument that can be made which states Monti's primary focus for 2023 was putting together a roster to win as many football games as possible AND he accomplished that plan.
People are loathe to admit they’re wrong. That’s all this argument is.The argument that "winning is not the #1 priority" is very different than "it's ok to lose games" is silly.
There is just zero argument that can be made which states Monti's primary focus for 2023 was putting together a roster to win as many football games as possible AND he accomplished that plan.
The argument that "winning is not the #1 priority" is very different than "it's ok to lose games" is silly.
I believe facts would show that it iis literally not as likely that a fourth rounder wr goes to canton as do wr taken in the top 10 of the draft. This argument is debunked every year on ASFN.means nothing. every year there is hype and usually more than 1 guy. every year some guys live up to it, some guys dont, and some dude from out of nowhere blows the league away.
the tape looks good right now but its just as likely that when looking back 20 years from now Harrison will have had a pedestrian career while some dude from the 4th round is headed to Canton
in regards to the post you referenced...everybody knew winslow was a headcase
For me, the term shallow is an indicator of depth. This roster lacks both talent and depth so I would argue that it is more than "shallow".I of all people know that the Cardinals are behind the ball from a talent standpoint. It is 1000% obvious that this was a complete rebuild season even if the team never outright came and said that.
However there is a huge difference between having a shallow roster and saying, "hey don't worry, we got you, it's okay to lose, just give us 50%, that is all we ask". If they play hard and end up winning two of their remaining games I will be very happy. I'm not going to cry that they moved down 2 spots in the 2024 draft. I would much rather the team finish the season strong than purposely lose to secure the #3 overall pick.
For me, the term shallow is an indicator of depth. This roster lacks both talent and depth so I would argue that it is more than "shallow".
So again, either Monti's primary goal for 2023 was something other than winning football games in 2023 and things are going to plan OR his goal was to win football games in 2023 and he failed miserably at it.
Again, putting yourself in a position to lose is basically the same as not trying to win from a GM perspective. It is just being phrased in a different way. Obviously nothing is guaranteed.I can tell you with certainty that his goal wasn't to lose as many games as possible and I'm 99.9% sure that he doesn't "fear winning a 4th game"
Again, putting yourself in a position to lose is basically the same as not trying to win from a GM perspective. It is just being phrased in a different way. Obviously nothing is guaranteed.
So then you think he completely failed as a GM in 2023 because he put together a roster that is tied for 2nd worst in the NFL when he is prioritizing winning?Yes this looks like a man trying to lose his way to the first pick in the 2024 draft:
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Not at all. I've been through this with you already.So then you think he completely failed as a GM in 2023 because he put together a roster that is tied for 2nd worst in the NFL when he is prioritizing winning?
I think this is why most of us were frustrated by him putting together a bottom NFL talented roster. Because he was indicating that doing that was more important than winning games. This makes it "ok" as it is less important than actually putting together a competitive roster.Not at all. I've been through this with you already.
Monti's top priority this season was to change the culture. Next up was to figure out who to keep for 2024 moving forward.
How do you change the culture with "It's OK to Lose"? That makes no sense. It's the reason they moved on from players like Hopkins. Hopkins would gladly throw in the towel with two weeks left in a season where the playoffs were out of reach.
Why did it have to be both?There is just zero argument that can be made which states Monti's primary focus for 2023 was putting together a roster to win as many football games as possible AND he accomplished that plan.
The argument that "winning is not the #1 priority" is very different than "it's ok to lose games" is silly.