Bickley: JJ NO WANTY ATL...

[cepstrum]

You do realize a MAX contract will break up this team anyway right?

Yes in a year. Not this year. Id be willing to give it another shot. Would you?

 

[cepstrum]

You also have to take into consideration that some of us don't want to be the Florida Marlins. I would LOVE to win a championship next year, but I would hate to win that one and then automatically rebuild immediately after.

The marlins gutted the team. We would have had to trade ONE of the core pieces (probably marion). Plus we have Amare

 

[SweetD]

Ummm... the bucks, sonics, and cavs set the market for shooting guards this year. The suns lowballed him. I just dont understand how people can forget so quickly the season we had last year. We couldve had at least another one like that. An expensive JJ is better then no JJ. Especially on a championship caliber team.

JJ is a great talent but there are many players that can come in at score 17pts a game with this team. JJ is the #4 option why do you want to pay him #1 money when he is not a #1 option on this team. FYI 6yrs 60million is a reasonable offer for a #4 option.

 

[cepstrum]

JJ is a great talent but there are many players that can come in at score 17pts a game with this team. JJ is the #4 option why do you want to pay him #1 money when he is not a #1 option on this team. FYI 6yrs 60million is a reasonable offer for a #4 option.

If you think JJ was the 4th option on that team last year, Im not sure how many games you were watching. Even if you think he was, in 2-3 years the core wouldve been him and Amare.

 

[playstation]

Yes in a year. Not this year. Id be willing to give it another shot. Would you?

and not necessarily even then. if we win a title with JJ this year, that's A LOT more money coming in...and a lot more pressure to keep the team together.

 

[Mulli]

You also have to take into consideration that some of us don't want to be the Florida Marlins. I would LOVE to win a championship next year, but I would hate to win that one and then automatically rebuild immediately after.

Growing up following the Suns, I would gladly accept a championship in exchange for a rebuilding period.

Like Grace said, "Trophy and ring"

 

[playstation]

marion over the next 4 years is a falling asset while jj is a rising one. i'd rather have JJ.

 

[Chaplin]

marion over the next 4 years is a falling asset while jj is a rising one. i'd rather have JJ.

Marion is not a "falling" asset, if anything, he would be a steady one. Nash, though, definitely would be a falling asset.

 

[myrondizzo]

the way i look at it is like this. would you like to make 125k(100k if you dont beleive the suns extended the 6yr 75M deal) a year as an assitant mgr at a nice restaurant or make 140K managing a taco bell. If JJ wants to go work at taco bell then let him go.

 

[Chaz]

Yes in a year. Not this year. Id be willing to give it another shot. Would you?

I would but it is not my decision.


I definitely would not have started by offering JJ 'Michael Redd' type money.

I think Allen got 5 or 6 years and $84 Million. JJ is worth less than that.

When and if JJ shows he can take on the focus of a defense and lead a team to the playoffs then he will be worth that money.

5 years/ $70 Million is a stretch and overpaying IMO.


JJ is my favorite player but in a basketball sense Marion is more valuable to the team's immediate success.

I was upset about the possibility of a trade but realistically JJ needs to sign a more reasonable offer if he wants to stay long term.

 

[playstation]

Marion is not a "falling" asset, if anything, he would be a steady one. Nash, though, definitely would be a falling asset.

marion's skillset is based on athleticism. i don't look at him and think 'fundamentally sound'. as his athleticism starts fading (in 4 years he is 31), what do you have left?

 

[cepstrum]

Growing up following the Suns, I would gladly accept a championship in exchange for a rebuilding period.

Like Grace said, "Trophy and ring"

Amen to that. Preach on brotha...

 

[Chaplin]

marion's skillset is based on athleticism. i don't look at him and think 'fundamentally sound'. as his athleticism starts fading (in 4 years he is 31), what do you have left?

You sound like a hater, or at least, trying to justify why you like JJ more...

 

[SweetD]

If you think JJ was the 4th option on that team last year, Im not sure how many games you were watching. Even if you think he was, in 2-3 years the core wouldve been him and Amare.

FYI I have missed a total of 20 games in the past 4 years. JJ was a big part of this team since the bench was so poor and Barbosa was not a constant part. Lets see #1 Nash(MVP, ALL-Star), #2 Amare(All-Star), #3 Marion(All-Star), #4 JJ. Yep that looks about right.

 

[Chaplin]

FYI I have missed a total of 20 games in the past 4 years. JJ was a big part of this team since the bench was so poor and Barbosa was not a constant part. Lets see #1 Nash(MVP, ALL-Star), #2 Amare(All-Star), #3 Marion(All-Star), #4 JJ. Yep that looks about right.

It's arguable that Nash was the #4 option ON OFFENSE, with Amare #1 and JJ #2. Marion is #3, but that might be generous, because, after all, he gets no plays called for him.

 

[cepstrum]

It's arguable that Nash was the #4 option ON OFFENSE, with Amare #1 and JJ #2. Marion is #3, but that might be generous, because, after all, he gets no plays called for him.

I was just going to write that...

 

[playstation]

You sound like a hater, or at least, trying to justify why you like JJ more...

yes, this is my justification for why i would rather have JJ than Marion. That and one showed up against SA and the other did not.

 

[AZZenny]

If any of you follow baseball, does this sound a bit like the Manny Ramirez circus? "I want out...Tired of being disrespected by the (fans/management/media)... I got a prollem with a couple of guys in the clubhouse...Trade me now..." (As trades start to gel, or the day he realizes they won't "I LOVE it here! The fans are passionate, they were so upset that management was trying to trade me! This is MY team, my teammates, man, they're all great! This is my town! I NEVER wanted to leave, man, it wasn't my idea!"

 

[playstation]

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!?!?!

Is he going there or not? Are we getting what he expected in return or not? has he signed with us (in prep for the trade) or not? What is going on with the governer or whatever? Is he actually having seconds thoughts or is this fictitious?

TMac to Houston all over again.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

If you think JJ was the 4th option on that team last year, Im not sure how many games you were watching. Even if you think he was, in 2-3 years the core wouldve been him and Amare.

exactly, I think called JJ a fixed 4th option even if justified in 05 is short sighted, to me it's fairly obvious JJ has the pentrating skills and shooting skills to be a second option many years to come.

Amare was not a #1 last year but to anyone who understands player development it probably was fairly obvious that once refined he has everything you would want in a #1.

rememeber nothing is fixed at either end of the spectrum...The JJ you see today is not the one you will see tomorrow.
well unless he is way past his prime..then the suns can bring him back and fool the fans like they will do with fins.

 

[SweetD]

It's arguable that Nash was the #4 option ON OFFENSE, with Amare #1 and JJ #2. Marion is #3, but that might be generous, because, after all, he gets no plays called for him.

I don't take just offense into count I take the importance of the player to the team. I agree option is not the best word to use.

 

[SweetD]

yes, this is my justification for why i would rather have JJ than Marion. That and one showed up against SA and the other did not.

That was one series one year. Marion has shown up far more often than JJ. JJ had a good year, but were has he been before that. Marion from day one has been a contribution.

 

[Yuma]

Still no word from the league office on this trade, or Raja Bell, either. Maybe no press conference coming up? This seems really weird the JJ trade is taking so long, and a 5 team trade just breezed through yesterday. I bet there's some back room drama going on.....

 

[SweetD]

Still no word from the league office on this trade, or Raja Bell, either. Maybe no press conference coming up? This seems really weird the JJ trade is taking so long, and a 5 team trade just breezed through yesterday. I bet there's some back room drama going on.....

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[Arizona's Finest]

Marion is not a "falling" asset, if anything, he would be a steady one. Nash, though, definitely would be a falling asset.

Why is it playstation is the only one who agrees w/ me on this. Marion IS a falling asset. No chap, im not a "Hater"....as playstation says marions game is based on his out of this world athleticism. He is a great rebounder for his size and maybe the best in the league at his size (but that also has to do w/ playing the 4) YET....players usually lose their hops around 30 for one reason or another(see MJ, Kemp, Dr. J, Barkley, McDyess, Nique)What most of those players had to fall back on once they turned 30 was their refined basketball skill set. Something Marion does not possess. Let me ask you this. take away Marions ability to jump and what do you have???? cant shoot, cant create his own shot off the dribble, can rebound anymore, can really stay with anybody anymore. The guy is unbelievable and HE IS crazy athletic now, but that will eventually erode and then we got two more years of 15 million left.

Is any of this wrong? Does anyone think Marion will be the one player to defy father time and continue to jump out of the gym at 35? JJ is the better "playa" (thats for you chap...) and thats why as he gets older and loses a step, he still has other things he can rely on...(passing, shooting, dribbling) thats why Marion is a declining value. Hes a great player now but I hope we can agree that he is mostly an all world athlete and if we do trade him next year, it might look stupid the first year or two after but long term it is a very smart move. ONCE AGAIN I FEEL SHAWN IS AN STAR PLAYER ON BOTH THIS TEAM AND THE NBA....but w/ KT after next season, he is a luxury we wont need....This is probaly all for naught as all signs are JJ is still gone, but for next year and beyond JJ (even at 14 million) is the smarter player to keep. He is a low flawwed player in a highly flawwed league....,